Werewolf XXX - Tol-in-Elendili - The Isle of the Were-Faithfuls

[Lalaith]

By the way, I won't be able to post again until much later today. Nothing sinister there, my computer at work blocks the forum.

[Lalaith]

Sorry for this flood-posting...just spotted what Gil said...

er, Gil...if you absolve Durelin of wolvishness because

faithfuls would know better then to risk their own kin to be lynched in this stage of the game

then why do suspect me? I voted to lynch both guy and saucie, and indeed argued forcefully for their lynchings....

[Lalaith]

God, I can't believe I'm doing this, I'm going to be late for work....
but I also realised I should address this claim:

she has basically only perpetually suspected me since Nogrod started on his tirade against me

No, you were my top suspect the day before. Anyway, more later. Hope it doesn't stay this quiet.

[Thinlómien]

I've reached the paranoid stage of suspecting everyone. Whether that's good or bad I don't know. Well, at least I don't need to suspect Kath anymore.

Durelin... she's a difficult one. I was almost ready to exonerate her for this:

Originally Posted by Durelin

It almost seems too obvious to be right... Arrrghh this game can be so stressful sometimes...

But then again, I knwo she's very clever and well capable of making such move... (You may wonder what was the point of this paragraph. It was to point this comment out and stir discussion about it: I'd be glad to hear other people's opinions on it too....)

I disagree with Gil-Galad who says that the faithfuls are most probably sticking together at this phase. I'm almost sure that yesterDay (or even the Day before) there was at least one faithful-on-faithul -vote. That statment actually makes me slightly wary of Gil: it would be very convenient for him as a wolf to say that, remembering the spat between him and TGWBS...

I will check two things soon: 1) What Sauce said about everyone yesterDay since he knew he was under a serious lynch-threat. (I just think he didn't say very much just because of that. ) 2) Why was Kath killed? Did she say anything gifted-ish? Who did she suspect? Or was she just generally not very much suspected and the faithfuls decided to eliminate her since she certainly is a clever player?

[Thinlómien]

Okay, I did check. Sauce actually said quite a lot, but I've concluded that he could have used any tactic, bluff tactic or double-bluff tactic, so who he claimed to think innocent or guilty doesn't help us (or me at least).

Kath said nothing yesterday that would give me a clue why was she killed. Maybe that's in her earlier posts and I should check them too. This is the first wolf kill we can really analyse and I don't think we should waste the chance... but we should keep in mind that "to confuse" and "to avoid leaving tracks" are wolves' killing motives too...

[Thinlómien]

I'm not very intrigued or amused by the fact that it has been very silent toDay... I hope you'll at least be more active in the late hours when I'm not here anymore... (I know I've not been very active myself, but I'll do a few posts before I leave.)

[Mithalwen]

It has taken this computer 45 mins to load this page .... argh ...

I am reasonably confident of Lommy's innocence and am inclined to believe gil and Durelin are innocent .... Gil has been on the money all the way through and the fact I agree with him now is encouraging ......

Part of me thinks it incredible that we may have pinned three wolves in the 3 way tie the other night but Lalaith still looks suspicious to me. I suspected initiall for her misinterpretation of my first post. The main others who did this were SpM and TGWBS .....

Legate ..makes me uneasy but it may be unfamiliarity..and so does Hookbill who has seemed too quiet.

Kitanna hasn't figured on my radar much but that doesn't necessarily mean anything ... she is a steady type ..not likely to give away her role easily be she wolf or gifted.

[Thinlómien]

Good to see someone around!

And one correction:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

This is the first wolf kill we can really analyse --

Actually this isn't since the Rune-kill was one as well...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmm, mostly I agree with Lommy. It indeed seems there is not much to be gained from SpM, nor do I happen to conclude anything from Kath's death (however, I didn't have time to go through all the thread, so perhaps later).

Originally Posted by Lommy

(You may wonder what was the point of this paragraph. It was to point this comment out and stir discussion about it: I'd be glad to hear other people's opinions on it too....)

I don't think this would really signify Durelin's innocence or Faithfulness. But I don't know if a Faithful would post something like that, so... Well, concluding from Durelin's general behavior, I think this could have been genuine.

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

faithfuls would know better then to risk their own kin to be lynched in this stage of the game.

I don't want to make anything out of nothing, but considering what I said earlier about Gil-Galad's vote on tgwbs (and vice versa), this could be very well a cover, like emphasising my point. Whether I thought Gil innocent yesterday, I am not that sure now, since this looks somehow suspicious to me. Also considering that Gil jumped on SpM's bandwaggon and even yet proclaimed it might look quite different in the light if he was Faithful.

[Gil-Galad]

With the jumping on the bandwagon, i was merely entranced, if you will, by SPM's big words as usual, i shall try not to do it this time

Lalaith i suspect you because some faithfuls could be stuck in the moment and not really underrstanding what other Faithfuls really want. you could also be in a sense of panic with the accusations on you that you feel you must risk your own kin to save yourself, it is a free-for-all now i must admit and none of us can really trust each other enough... oh how i wish we still had our seer...


Experience, its what seperates us from the animals... well that and product placement


still waiting to hear from hookbill and Kitanna

[Thinlómien]

I looked through Kath's posts from yesterDay and the Day before and found nothing that would have attracted a wolf attack. I think she might have been killed to leave no tracks (she was quite quiet and did not have any major disputes or alliances with anyone) or because the wolves thought her to be gifted since she was very quiet (as to avoid attention) and not one of them. Pure speculation.

I'm inclined think Gil and Lalaith innocent (and won't be repeating the reasoning here, it's on my earlier posts), but anyone else could be either way... I mean...

I'm really confused about Durelin. I used to suspect her a lot and I can still see why. But I'm not sure what to think of her. She has been quite genuinely innocent-ish lately and I don't know how to take Sauce's vehement attack on her yesterDay... Was Sauce trying to get an innocent lynched or was he trying to make either himself (in case wolf-Durelin was killed) or wolf-Durelin (in case he himself was killed) look good? We can't know. Also, I wonder if three of the faithfuls (SPM, TGWBS, Durelin) would all support the same idea (finding clues from Roa's posts...) And that last comment of hers yesterDay... My head's boiling probably!

Kitanna then... She makes me wary. But she does that every single time I play with her regardless of her role. Her jump on the Lalaith-wagon and the things that popped to my mind while doing the analysis about her some Days ago are quite incriminating, but on the other hand her placement on the wolves' suspicion list makes me think she's innocent. Would a faithful do this to two of his fellows?: (those are the only two names under "somewhat suspicious")

Originally Posted by SPM

Somewhat suspicious
TGWBS - for urging the village not to vote for Roa
Kitanna - for possibly testing the water on Manwe and also seemingly avoiding controversy

Or this to a fellow: (the only name under that title)

Originally Posted by TGWBS

More innocent than faithful
Kitanna

I don't really know about Kitanna either...

Hookbill... he seems very genuine. There are some things that make me suspect him however. He continuously seems to avoid taking sides and I don't like his placement on several suspicion lists by TGWBS and Sauce. But I've been mistaking newcomerishness with wolvishness before *coughBrinnielcough* so I'd rather not judge Hookbill too quickly, especially as there isn't any particular things that ring my alarms about his behaviour.

I don't know what to think of Mith either... Both of the now-revealed wolves thought her innocent... does that speak for her guilt or her innocence? I think the first one more probable wolvish behaviour... And like I've said before, she's been concentrating on weird things but her consistent Roa-campaign makes me think she's innocent... I think I'm going to let her be (means not actively suspect her) at least for toDay, she seems less suspicious than many anyway...

Legate? He's way too careful to my taste and his interactions with TGWBS look pretty sinister. Also I don't like his behaviour late yesterday... But on the other hand he has said some things I don't think a faithful would say and his helpful and calm manner are innocent-ish... A difficult one again.

[Thinlómien]

++KITANNA

Because of the following things.

- See this. Even though it was made some time ago it's still partly relevant. Especially the parts about carefulness, agreeing, repeating, Garin and Hookbill.
- I don't like her joining the Lalaith-wagon at all. Seems like trying to save two fellow faithfuls.
- Check TGWBS's and Sauce's attitudes towards her. In his last Day(s?) Sauce said she was on of his main suspects, but never made a case against her or anything. Guy remained neutral/positive about her. For most of the game, they both had no idea about her or thought her neutral. Smells faithful-ish.
- She flip-flops. Check her statements about Durelin from yesterday for example.
- She voted SPM after stating she'd rather note vote him because she didn't have a "case" against him, just gut-feeling.
- Also, she voted Lalaith because she needed to take a closer look at her other suspects, me and Mith. As far as I know, no "closer look" was ever taken, at least none that she'd have told us about.