Werewolf XXX - Tol-in-Elendili - The Isle of the Were-Faithfuls

[Nogrod]

Oh my!

What's going on? Where did this Lalaith bandwaggon come from? Well, from SPaM I see...

I don't hold it impossible that you're right about it Saucie, but I wouldn't put it past you to finally make a Faithful-on-Faithful either. But then again you can't be blamed about others jumping on your train...

This is somewhat fishy indeed. Mith monomaniacally being after Lalaith from Day1 is quite weird as well. Who could do that but a Faithful who wishes to clear her footsteps?

I'm still against voting for Gil because he's a shot in the dark and this is one of the last Days we innocents have something like a clear margin to turn the vote right. Next Day, if we get it wrong now - it's only 7/4 and the Faithfuls will be twisting everything much more successfully.

[Mithalwen]

Oh for godness sake ... either I my vote is from nowhere and I am bandwaggoning or I am monomaniac... I can't be both ..though I would say neither.. I have suspected Lalaith since Day one and have had no reason to doubt that suspicion.

[Nogrod]

Now for the reasaons why I thought Lalaith made good points.

First of all she shared my initial suspicions and that always feels nice.

But I must say I'm aware that she might have done that deliberately to get me defend her position. That is possible.

But also Spm's defence was a bit fishy. Like him denying the ratio of the suspects turning out innocents. In there I think Lalaith actually had a point which indeed fits nicely with the little detail I noticed on Day1 where he twice reminded us of his history of being a serial voter-of-gifteds so nicely undermining his future track record?

But why I still think there might be a point in suspecting the trio (tgwbs, Durelin and Saucie) is their relative distancedness in this game. I mean they all have been in the middle of the game as doers and as those who have been talked about. Still there seem to be relatively few instances where they have said anything about each other. That is not counting the odd row over Durelin defending Spm toDay - in which Spm's point looked a bit fabricated to be honest.

But anyhow they seem to be nicely detached. Like good Faithfuls would be.

Also I find it odd that tgwbs wishes us to go for a blind lynch of Gil. That can't be in our best interests. Funny then that after I said half-jokingly that we should not lynch anyone of these three (in a moment when no one else seemed to post anything) Spm was only too happy to ask me if I would like to suggest trying to pick a silent one... And as a minor detail also Durelin commented on the familiar Noggie annoyed by those silent to be back after I had made a side-comment on the fact that I didn't like the quietness of this village back then.

See also these:

Originally Posted by tgwbs

I think it impossible that a Cobbler would accuse somebody they think to be a wolf. About their innocent feelings, they might be more honest, but they have no interest in accusing potential-wolves.

On the contrary. I wouldn't like to get bogged down into this but I do think you're giving us bad advices all the time, just like a Faithful would love to do. Why would a cobbler wish to be so readable? Not to say a cobbler as crafty as Roa is? Maybe you are a mathematician (even if I disagree with some of your maths...) and see the world as a clear and simple thing?

Originally Posted by Durelin

Just like everyone else, I don't read every post on the thread. So lynch me.

Even though some points in Kath's last post kind of shows that she hasn't read all toDay (and with a rushed day one can understand it) but I just don't believe this from you. So why do you say so?

I might go for one of these people, but I'm trying to widen my scope a bit before it's time to vote. Lalaith I'm unsure of and Kath just freaks me out... not to talk of Kitanna's last vote that just looks sooo fishy!

[Mithalwen]

I don't know what happened with Manwe but if he does not vote to day he is out.

Also notice that Gil is making sure he does enough to stay in .. but not a lot more.... not sure how to read this.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Also notice that Gil is making sure he does enough to stay in .. but not a lot more.... not sure how to read this.

Have you seen him playing differently? Well I indeed saw him different once but that was a story I wouldn't like to recall...

But there just might be a point here. He posts seldomly as always and gives basically no reasons to his votes but somehow his last post made me think it twice (my first reaction was: "why did he post and made a point!" - although I tend to agree with his point) and now as you noted it. Hmm...

But okay here we are now:
Gil - > tgwbs
Lommy - > Durelin
Tgwbs - > Gil
Spm - > Lalaith
Mith - > Lalaith (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith2)
Kitanna - > Lalaith (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith3)
Kath - > Spm (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith3, Spm1)

I know I may be now on a monomaniac drive myself but I just can't help recognising that tgwbs has yet again produced a vote with which he stays out of any heated debates and as a vote of retaliation it's pretty much the safest there is... I just don't like this. I mean if he is a Faithful he really plays nicely and just for that reason he's dangerous.

Back to widening the scopes then as this was no good as yet...

[Mithalwen]

Well he seems to be making a bit more of an effort than usual .... but is that because he has a bigger part to play?.... I think it unlikely he will be killed at night though whatever he says.... if he is innocent he is seldom completely trusted....

Gah 13 players, 1 known innocent, 2 gifted, 4 faithful, one seemingly heading for removal.... lets hope the ranger took a calculated risk and left you unguarded last night Noggin.... cos the Faithful are getting to the point that even if we spot them ..we will have a job out voting them....

[Nogrod]

Btw. if the Ranger didn't get my hints yesterDay or didn't dare to risk not protecting me last Night (which is quite natural, I've been in the situation myself and it's a hard decision) I would just like to remind you of one more thing.

I've been talking a lot of Spm, tgwbs and Durelin. Not without a cause I think. But also remember that there were some funny things in the beginning of the game involving Kath and Lommy with Mänwe. I do hope Mänwe comes back but if he doesn't we'll here what he was soon enough. And if he was a Faithful, look at those defending him (at least Kath and Lommy)

I'm not very happy with this lynching Lalaith-thing. Bandwaggons that appear out of thin aikr are always to be suspected I'd say. From that I've got a worst feeling about Kitanna.

Okay. I've suspected more than half of the village... So little help you seem to have from your known innocent.

But maybe you should look tomorrow for the fact that which people could be related to each other or which might just cancel each other out? The Faithfuls can afford suspecting each others by now and if they're wise they'd probably done that already. Just looking at the spread of the votes thus far makes me feel pretty insecure. THey are surely having the upper hand now.

But we'll (you'll) fight!

[Hookbill the Goomba]

No idea who is a faithful. But my instincts keep telling me that the right honorable Saucepan Man is a fishy fellow. I wish I had something concrete to go on but all I have is a hunch. His posts are always very good and interesting as is wont with old Sauceie, but here there is something of an odd air to it.
So, before I wander off to other lands...

++ The Saucepan Man

No hard feelings, master Pan?

[Durelin]

I return. *flourish*

Originally Posted by Nog

Even though some points in Kath's last post kind of shows that she hasn't read all toDay (and with a rushed day one can understand it) but I just don't believe this from you. So why do you say so?

Eh? First, what does Kath have to do with whether or not I read all the posts in the thread; and second...just, why? Why is saying that I don't read all of the thread suspicious now? I don't even read all of the posts in the RPGs I'm in normally, so there's no way I'm going to be reading all the posts in WW games.

And my comment about you going after the silent ones? Well, I feel the way you have been playing the large part of this Day is pretty uncharacteristic of you. Actually it reminds me of that time Lommy as the Seer caught you as a Wolf. Do I suggest systematically lynching the silent types? No. But I don't suggest ignoring them either.

Both you and Sauce are having a field day going for whatever you can get on me. It's really rather sad. We know you're innocent, though, so perhaps Sauce is the real danger.

I have not liked the feel of Lalaith, and I think her voting has been very strange, but I find Kitanna's suddenish vote for her pretty odd. Mith's behavior toDay is far less out there to me than yesterDay's, and I'm feeling a little better about her. I wonder, too, why people see this Lalaith thing as out of nowhere. Kitanna's vote is a little sudden, but both SPM and Mith I recall having suspected her for a while, particularly Mith.

Hookbill's still not making very solid accusations, but I do agree with him on Legate. Where is he, anyway? Will we have another last minute vote from him?

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Personally, I am generally more confident in my hunches about who is innocent than my hunches about who is a wolf, so I often vote to save rather than to lynch.

That quote from Lalaith makes her feel more innocent to me. So both Lalaith and Mith have been bumped down on my suspicion list, leaving me with SPM, Lommy, and Legate.

The way Lommy jumped on Nogrod's attack against me, even though she had been suspecting me for a while, makes me rather uneasy of her. It's such a prime opportunity for a wolf to both look consistent and have the sort of *stamp of approval* of a known innocent. Though he wasn't on my *original list*, the way TGWBS jumped on Nogrod's making note of the silence of the village and turned it into a lynch the silents campaign is pretty unnerving, too, but he had gone after Gil before Nogrod's comments, as well.

I need to vote...SPM or Legate? SPM's loud-mouthedness is perhaps better to have around than Legate sneaking around. A Saucepan Wolf might well be a little less...beligerent? than he's being right now, though I suppose only his death will tell. My brain says SPM, my gut says Legate. ToDay seems to be the Day for going with gut votes, so:

++Legate

Edit: Cross-posted with a bunch of posts...that took way too long to write, and now the deadline is very near. No chance of lynching Legate, so...hrmmm...*thinks*

[Nogrod]

Check your vote again Durelin, please. If not, you others should remark this safe-vote toMorrow...

With eight minutes left it's either Lalaith, Spm or tgwbs...

[Durelin]

--Legate

++SPM

Brains wins again.

Edit: Crossed, again, with Nog

[The Saucepan Man]

Gah! I can live with your suspicions, Noggie, but you could at least have reasonable reasons for suspecting me. I swear that, if I did not know better, I would be voting for you as a Faithful.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Like him denying the ratio of the suspects turning out innocents.

I did not deny the ratio. I merely set out the facts, namely that it was the same for all of us, and pointed out the holes in Lalaith's reasoning, which you seem, dangerously, to have ignored.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That is not counting the odd row over Durelin defending Spm toDay - in which Spm's point looked a bit fabricated to be honest.

It made me wonder, particularly given that she has been one of my main suspects for a while now.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But anyhow they seem to be nicely detached.

I'll admit that I was, reluctantly, rather detached for the first two Days, thanks to work. But, since then, I have been doing my utmost to find the Faithfuls. Perhaps you would like to review my lengthy analyses?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Funny then that after I said half-jokingly that we should not lynch anyone of these three (in a moment when no one else seemed to post anything) Spm was only too happy to ask me if I would like to suggest trying to pick a silent one..

I was questioning whether it would be in the village's best interests, as I felt that it was probably too risky, given our situation. I share your concerns over TGWBS's vote for Gil, however, and will be giving that some attention if I am still here toMorrow.

I am not inclined to change my vote, unless I am in danger, as I have seen nothing to dissuade me from my belief that Lalaith is a Faithful. Quite the contrary. So, unless anything radcial happens, it stands.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Spm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nogrod
But anyhow they seem to be nicely detached.

I'll admit that I was, reluctantly, rather detached for the first two Days, thanks to work. But, since then, I have been doing my utmost to find the Faithfuls. Perhaps you would like to review my lengthy analyses?

Sorry. The language stuff again (or was this a deliberate misunderstanding?). I meant you have ignored each other, not that you haven't involved yourselves with the game...

I share your concerns over TGWBS's vote for Gil, however, and will be giving that some attention if I am still here toMorrow.

I am not inclined to change my vote, unless I am in danger, as I have seen nothing to dissuade me from my belief that Lalaith is a Faithful. Quite the contrary.

It's always toMorrow when the Faithful will vote for his fellow...?

[Nogrod]

Let's see if there is any support for this.

++ tgwbs

I'm ready to reconsider with better points brought forwards...

[Nogrod]

Gil - > tgwbs
Lommy - > Durelin
Tgwbs - > Gil
Spm - > Lalaith
Mith - > Lalaith (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith2)
Kitanna - > Lalaith (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith3)
Kath - > Spm (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith3, Spm1)
Hookbill - > Spm (tgwbs1, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith3, Spm2)
Nogrod - > tgwbs (tgwbs2, Durelin1, Gil1, Lalaith3, Spm2)