Werewolf XXX - Tol-in-Elendili - The Isle of the Were-Faithfuls

[Mänwe]

As I said I am not one to hold my tongue, certainly when matters such as this arise. Listening and speaking are, I echo everyone’s thoughts, essential to our victory. Among those words spoken are a few I would highlight.

Originally posted by Nogrod

I truly hope I have something real to chew after I come back tomorrow (RL).

‘Chew’ being the operative word, be that human flesh you so wish to sample? Tired of the hard maggoty bread served aboard ship? I should know I’ve tasted it many a time, yet my appetite turns more to fish than human. It is why I do “looks good”, fish is the food of the brain. You are alluding to the absence of others, as does Roa, perhaps your furry ally.

Originally posted by Roa

Seriously, it's Day 1, everyone's alive, where are they?

You also seem impatient to meet everyone; I cannot help but think it’s not just for a bit of idle chatter. Seeking the tastiest amongst us? I assure you, your lupine nose would turn at the smell of my quarters. Being stained with the smell of fish, which I would add is not in order to hide my evil musk!

For why would I wish to lay low? Saucepan Man, why should I?

Originally posted by Saucepam Man

So, laying low fishing, when you should have been out sacrificing Faithfuls to the Lord Annatar, eh? By your words, it seems that you would rather be fleeing to the mainland with the blashphemer Elendil and his crew, than here among your brethren. Are you one of his crew, mayhaps?

I am the villagers’ fisherman; I supply a staple diet, why should I wish to kill my customers? I do not deny that sailing with Elendil would be an experience, but the boat I wish for is a simple fishing corral not the mighty ships of said Mariner.

Originally posted by Saucepan Man

Then again, I rather agree with you about that Hookbill fellow.

I am glad you see sense and agree with me. Has he been in your mind of late?

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Mänwe

You are alluding to the absence of others, as does Roa, perhaps your furry ally.

I do wonder whether our fisherman, despite his suspiciously peaceable ways, might have a point here. While it doesn't necessarily mark them out as Lembas-eating, Valar-loving surrender monkeys, it does seem to me that Roa and Nogrod are being unduly harsh on those who have not had an opportunity to speak so far.

It is but little over three hours since Mac's body was discovered, and yet Roa and Nogrod are behaving as though it is a crime not to have posted yet. I agree that we want everyone to speak, but I hardly think it incriminating that there are a fair few who have not been able to do so thus far.

In any event, both mathematically and logically speaking, it is likely that at least one, and quite probably, two of our four Faithfuls have spoken already so far. I doubt that berating those who are not yet with us is likely to lead us very far at this stage. I'd rather leave any consideration over what to do with the silent ones, if there are any, until much later in the day, when silence will be more of a relevant consideration.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Mänwe

Has he been in your mind of late?

Sorry, missed this. No, like you, I just don't like the look of him.

[Durelin]

Alack, you are right, Kath! I'm at a loss. I guess I'll actually have to think. Think? In my first post? That doesn't sound healthy...

But what makes this Day 1 even crazier than the lack of various "role-playing nonsense" is our numbers. While we ordos are 13 strong, and we have some help on our side in the way of a Seer, Ranger, and Hunter, we're up against five nasties who want us all to die. Now I see that some people are rather optimistic about this, and I'd like to be, too, but...that's a lot of us to just go at each other's throats, isn't it?

Everyone who's discussing how the wolves are/will behave is out of their minds. It's Day 1. The wolves don't have to do anything but sit back and let everyone get confused, bogged down by theories and plans.

So what do I have to suggest? Not much, unfortunately, other than stirring things up a bit more. So I quite agree with SPaM and Noggy...and I apologize for not having more time. I'd rather be catching Faithfuls than scanning Latin poetry at this point, trust me...

I find the bits of back and forth between Manwe and SPM interesting, and the simple fact that Manwe is so keen in his fisherman routine. But I suppose after so many WW games starting off with everyone at least a little in character, he wouldn't want to miss out.

I find Mith's comment about the Gifteds rather strange, as well. It's nice to know who your allies are, but not if it means your enemies know all about them, too. She seems "easy-going" in a way I would think speaks to her innocence, except it feels a tad forced to me. The "oh, if anyone just so happens to know how to find out who the gifteds are, that'd be dandy!" thing seems forced in this way to me...but that's just me.

Glirdan's post irks me, as any post does that says nothing but complains about people saying nothing. While it's understandable that there's not much going on and so not much to do, I think a little effort to "stir something up" (yes, I'll use that phrase as much as I want!) would have been nice.

I see that Nogrod and SPaM have posted the most...all is right with the world...

Another interesting remark, this one from Garin...

Originally Posted by Garin

Nogrod, it is fine that you are familiar with some of our villagers but don't let that cloud your judgment. They could be among the the treacherous. This is definitely a time in which no one can be trusted.

While I quite agree with not basing guilt/innocence on past experiences, I can just imagine a new-Wolf thinking "don't trust those people you've played with before, but trust me." Nogrod and anyone who's even played one game before comes with a lot of baggage that can mean a person is considered more innocent or more guilty.

Agh, I need to stop before I start reading things into every word of every post.

Unfortunately I'll have to go in a few hours not to return till just about an hour before the deadline tomorrow, so...give me something to read!

Oh, but don't worry...I'll give you a vote to consider before I go.

[Mänwe]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Sorry, missed this. No, like you, I just don't like the look of him.

Sorry I missed this. How last did you see him?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

I do wonder whether our fisherman, despite his suspiciously peaceable ways, might have a point here. While it doesn't necessarily mark them out as Lembas-eating, Valar-loving surrender monkeys, it does seem to me that Roa and Nogrod are being unduly harsh on those who have not had an opportunity to speak so far.

It is but little over three hours since Mac's body was discovered, and yet Roa and Nogrod are behaving as though it is a crime not to have posted yet. I agree that we want everyone to speak, but I hardly think it incriminating that there are a fair few who have not been able to do so thus far.

Well mister Saucepan! I happily saw this before I turned the computer down. This I would call hypochrisy indeed. You are yourself making an appearance of trying to get people speaking but nicely use the similar intentions of others as points against them...

Now who would like to have some named lynchees here this early from the part of the "village" that will probably be noisy and active enough? I do not know of my unduly harshness here but your posting seems to fit the description. I don't think I have said it's a crime to not have posted yet - the timezone-issues and all and only the first hours - but you seem to be happy to make a lot out of it... So I must just ask why as I know you to be a wise player...

So what's the problem? You don't sound innocent my friend... it's not the "substance", but the feeling behind it... trying too hard to look helpful and reasonable, so much as to lose your integrity? Who knows...

It's yet early hours though. I hope we'll have something more to talk when I come back. It would be sad to be wrong with you and basically I wouldn't want to see you go before your time without a good reason (you being a wolf or a cobbler).

The talkers we do need...

EDIT: X-d with Kitanna, and agreeing...

[Mänwe]

And all the talkers are assembled here, sniping away at one another. The talkers ought to talk less before those who talk less become talkers themselves. Besides talk can just as much make things difficult as easy. I say all here apart from myself have the musky taint of evil about them, to coin an earlier phrase. Nogrod, Roa, Saucepan Man, Kitanna, be you the four faithfuls.

Nogrod, have you perchance merely not heard my questions, or does your ignoring them hide a darker truth? Ahhh the power of rhetoric, not lost among simple folk such as I, fisherman, renowned for it. A well known fishermans tale;

One fisherman has a hook deep in his wrist.
Second fisherman, "Whoose fault was it?"

No need for an answer, the answer is within the first fisherman, yet he chose not to give it. As you have done, with no answer it is 'your fault'. I sense denial in you, something that itches to be released, beneath a full moon perhaps?

Seems to me everyone picks upon Glirdan from the start, Roa, Nogrod are you using this to deflect any insinuations upon yourselves?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

hmmm after having read through what have been said and done so far, very little jumps to my attention.

It has been the usual non-substance talking and other things I cannot be bothered mentioning.

Of the few things that have seemed slightly odd for me is in fact the latter posts of Mänwe, it is probably mostly because I am not used to his style of writtin/playing, but I do find his whole Nogrod, Roa, Saucepan Man, Kitanna "case" a bit weird.

He pretty much only focus on Nogrod, which seems weird to me, I do how ever understand why he asks the questions he does. . .It has always annoyed me when people can just ignore questions and nobody notices, it is not always a sign of wolvery, but then again nothing ever is.

I don't understand why there are so little elaboration or non about the others. . .

Originally Posted by Rpa

*sigh* We don't need jobs to catch wolves. We don't even need voting records. We need people to talk

Exactly and jobs were brilliant for making people talk, yes the first post would mostly be useless or close to, but it was good as an "conversation starter/accelerator". People have gotten used to it being the way to get the game started and it is therefor only natural that they comment on the lack of occupation.

[Durelin]

I agree with you about Manwe's latest posts. His chatter is the ultimate Day 1 "in-character nonsense." The fact that it is the *ultimate* (a little...extreme?) makes me wonder if it's a copy, a fake of what most of us have seen before.

I know, I know...me complaining about "in-characterness?" But this feels a bit odd. Or maybe this whole "no-jobs" thing is just getting to me.

Right, enough with the talk of jobs and no jobs...

It's Day 1, it's rather quiet, and, typically, I have nothing better to go on.

++Manwe

His bragging of his fisherman wisdom is getting to me.

I shall be back to check things out and reconsider my vote as early before the deadline as possible (hopefully I shall be snowed in a bit at home, and so will have plenty of time, but I am far from optimistic).

[Mänwe]

Lackaday, it has come to this, accusations, would that I have it any other way, alas Mac lies dies, disfigured, four culprits there are, and four I dare name, I see nothing absurd or strange in that? How so then would you accuse me as being one of the Faithful, one who would kill, I have spoken in all honesty.

To many times have you all seen someone speak in honesty and being persecuted for it, find that they were indeed honest and innocent of the accusations. You all speak of the lack of jobs, and here I am writing as if I were a fisherman (which I am) I speak the truth, tis not I who is afflicted with the lust for human flesh.

Durelin, you must reconsider. Why should I vehemently deny being a Faithful if indeed have nothing to hide. Because it would seem if I were to stay silent you would use this as further proof against me, seeing as you all, so far, are so avid that silence marks someone as a Faithful.

Perhaps I have been unjust in my accusations, that we all are talking means none of us are what we seek. Would you not better wait till my questions are answered? Rune picks a valuable point, Nogrod has not yet answered them, why so?

Still does not mean I cannot stand by my accusations.

Edit: Simul with Kitanna

Kitanna I have my reasons, but seeing as there is a great deal of mistrust between us all I would not as yet venture to explain. Though I find your own reasoning for Glirdan being a faithful tenuous also.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Mänwe

And all the talkers are assembled here, sniping away at one another. The talkers ought to talk less before those who talk less become talkers themselves. Besides talk can just as much make things difficult as easy. I say all here apart from myself have the musky taint of evil about them, to coin an earlier phrase. Nogrod, Roa, Saucepan Man, Kitanna, be you the four faithfuls.

I'm not familiar with Mänwe's style, but I am trying to understand the logic here. I could understand grouping four people together based on occupation on Day 1, but I'm not following what line of thought he used here. Out of the four he seems to focus on Nogrod and gives no reason as to why he picked the other three (except a little mention of Roa). Mänwe, I hope you plan on explaining this at some point in time.