WW XXIX Dor-en-Gaur

[Roa_Aoife]

For that matter, I like it when the wolves post their plotting. It's up to them of course, but it's always fun to see the plotting.

[Lalaith]

Can I just jump in and say in my opinion, this was the most enjoyable game to read, as a non-player, of any I've seen on here. I was just spitting that I was too busy to play.
I would love to know all the rules of this new variant. Noggie, will you post them?

[Lalwendë]

That was very hard work I have to say! I am rubbish at lying so I never bother with it, so this was really difficult! Plus I ended up not being able to give much time up to it on Saturday so I had no way of defending meself.

It was great though, you're all great to play WW with!

[Roa_Aoife]

Fearing me, I get. Distrusting me, I get. Wanting to be on my side, I almost get. But who here trusts me?

And look at how popular Boromir is- everyone wants him on their team.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Fearing me, I get. Distrusting me, I get. Wanting to be on my side, I almost get. But who here trusts me?

Err that might have been me..I didn't keep the pm but I think made a qualified comment about trusting your abilities as a strategist and interpreter but never being able to certain to trust your innocence unless proved by a seer...Which explains my genuine surprise that you were killed so early .... . remeber how I jumped on Volo for saying you didn't make sense - the reason you are so dangerous as a wolf is that you can manage to put so much conviction into your reading of the game... I couldn't be sure that you were innocent but I was sure you were making sense .

And I got the sympathy vote ... lol

The assasin role does need a big village and no seer to work "evenly".... I do think the seer role can make the ordo villagers lazy - since nothing could be left to the seer we all had to work.. and the more people say, the easier it is ...in theory at least...

[Firefoot]

You know, this game was peculiar in that there were two deaths that came almost out of nowhere. Morm's (although, at least now you all know why I was so desperate to save Durelin...) and Lommy's, too. I honestly hadn't been paying much attention to Morm at all and had no particular desire for his lynching - but I did have a very strong un-desire for Durelin's, mine, and Lommy's. That was bizarre. And Lommy's - almost everyone trusted her, and suddenly we're lynching her... I think the village's paranoia must have gone into overdrive.

[Mithalwen]

Lommies' death was from the sort of situation I was thinking of when I said that wolves might keep Roa alive because of the possibility of engineering a lynch against someone who has a reputation of being a convincing wolf... and Ang forced our hand since Kath was number one suspect for me.

Fairplay to Rikae though she really made me rethink and I was doubting everyone by then..andI really hoped Farael was innocent rather than a disengaged wolf....

I was torn and by the time it came for me to vote it was too late.... I am surprised that Rikae chose to go for Boro since I am sure she must have been on his list of 3 ... unless I have misunderstood again.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Thin

I admit.

Originally Posted by Mith

Err that might have been me

Ironically, I believe I put you two on my list of "tend to trust," with the qualifier that I never deem anyone innocent, but if I absolutely had to trust anyone, it would be you two.

Originally Posted by Boro

I think it was just a matter of the wolves being unlucky.

I think it was a little of both. It was five gifted (all with the ability to kill the wolves, albeit under certain conditions) against 3 wolves and a cobbler. The village was really unlucky up untill Night 3- We lost four innocents before the start of Day two, and then lynched another one. But it was still numbered in such a way that we were in a good spot. If you think about it, it's not like the wolves could just take out the known innocents, simply due to the nature of the gifted. Had the wolves been luckier, and we had fewer reveals, they may have gone longer. But as for winning, that would have taken some more luck (ie, killing the gifted in the night, with out getting killed themselves) or some really bold and risky plays. Now it's not as unbalanced as that whole "shaman" that appeared a little while back, and it still turned out fairly even. Also, had things been spread differently, it could have been a wolf victory.

Both sides played well, I think. I still don't know where that Morm bandwagon came from though.

[Firefoot]

That was... harrowing, to say the least. I had a lot of fun. Thanks for probing me into playing, Nogrod.

Great job everybody - especially to Rikae for lasting so long under such great suspicion. You almost had me thinking you were innocent again.

As of Night 3, Kath, I was completely convinced you were innocent and extensively debated protecting you over Durelin (I still don't know if this was a good choice - Nogrod, what did Rune inform the wolves?? Would Durelin have been dead if I hadn't protected her? Or not - would I have been able to then protect her the next night?). Lal was my third choice, but that was when I started thinking she was a wolf.

Boro's revealing himself may well have been one of the best things to happen in the game - it allowed Durelin and I to at least know each other's identities, and considering that I was one of her prime suspects until then...

Very enjoyable, everyone.

[Nogrod]

The wolves played well and the teamwork seemed to go smoothly in good sporting spirits, but the Villagers were just outstanding, just absolutely fabulous!

And I'm most delighted of the way this win was gained. Plain and clear old-fashioned reasoning: observation and logic. Wow!

But had the dynamics of this game been different (aka the roles would have been spreaded differently) I think also the special roles would have turned out having very different effects indeed...

I'll post you something about the roles before I go to sleep...

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And as so many people here have already said: it was really a great game to read (and to mod). Thank's all! Love you!

[Nogrod]

Rune was basically a normal cobbler. But I called him informer as he was able to send the wolves a piece of information everyNight (after the wolves had sent me their kill) - two in the first Night. That information was taken randomly from a list of things that they could learn, ranging from information about someone having no role to the way other roles work or even someone having a role X (Rune might have also learned an identity of a wolf as well). So as the time would have gone on, the informer might have proven a very important player.

I also thought that playing it would be nice as the informer would learn the same things he was "sending" to the wolves (= I sent the info to all of them).

In this game Rune managed to pass the following information:
Night2
- Mith has no special role.
- The hunter has a list of three during Nights.
Night3
- Another Ranger protected Anguirel this Night and Boro the Night before.

I guess the other roles we have already discussed... I'll answer any questions, though.

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It was somewhat ironic that Celuien protected Anguirel on Night2 and after that Ang killed him with his dagger on the same Night! And I couldn't narrate that to not tell you too much!

There was this one also: no Ranger protected Boro on Night3 (as they couldn't), but neither did Boro had any wolf in his list of three then! I really bit my nails that day as I waited for how it would turn out as I knew that it would become really hard for the wolves if they didn't try to kill him at that point - and actually seeing that they had their chance of a lifetime there...

Originally Posted by Firefoot

Would Durelin have been dead if I hadn't protected her? Or not - would I have been able to then protect her the next night?

Nope - and yes... That's the way it turns occasionally.

Originally Posted by Roa

But who here trusts me?

Fortunately I destroyed the individual answers back then and only have this summary left. But someone does!

[Macalaure]

Hilarious game! I sometimes used to lose interest in a game once I'm out, but not so this time. At the end of the second day I thought the village might be swept by the wolves. Great turnaround then.

Originally Posted by Roa

Roa (Day 1): Hm, Rikae seems really suspicious to me. I'll be looking at her closely in the next few days.

*Roa gets killed*

Village: Roa was probably killed because she's a good player, not because she was onto anything. Nevermind that she's usually left alive by the wolves because she's a suspicion magnet. Nope, she didn't have a wolf pegged or anything.

Rikae: *bats eyes* Roa was some sort of fearsome player? I had no idea! *bats eyes some more and repeats same thing two more times*

Roa: *bangs head against keyboard*

Hate to disappoint you, Roa, but I got killed by the alpha-wolf Rikae.

Very good game, Rikae! There were just too many known innocents in the end.

[Rikae]

Well, Volo, you were right about me; I'm not a very good wolf! I wish I knew how you and Roa spotted me so early...

I suspected Firefoot had to be the other ranger. The way she and Durelin were interacting showed some kind of understanding; if I hadn't been a wolf, I would have thought they were. Of course, with those two knowing each other and Boro and Ang known innocents, there was no way for the wolves to win; I just wanted to take Boro with me when I went...was that too much to ask, Ang?

OK, plotting:
Night 2, it was basically the "fearsome player" theory - I've never played with Roa before, but my fellow wolves filled me in, and I, remembering how brilliantly Mac tracked down Cel-wolf in another game, didn't want to wait around for him to do the same with one of us. There was also a bit of a double bluff thrown in; we hoped someone might think it was intended to point to me or Lal. But no one even bothered to look at their suspects!

Night 3, we were trying to get a ranger. Kath thought Gil might be one, and I thought Eomer might.

Night 4, we wanted to take out a ranger, of course, but also hoped that with the quarreling between Duralin and yours truly it would look like a framing attempt.

Night 5, like Nogrod said, I wanted to go with a blaze of glory. Too bad that knife-wielding maniac had to wreak it!

Someday I will have my revenge...mwahahaha!

~ Wolfae

[Rikae]

Oh, I have a question for Boro...

was all that exaggerated "I trust Rikae and Lal" stuff on day one a trick of some kind? I thought it was you thrying to lull us into a false sense of security...and then lo and behold, you abrubtly change your tune on day two. Was I right?

[mormegil]

Mormegil – T1, D6, A5, W6

That D6 has nothing to do with the mass bandwagon against me did it? The oddest part is that the wolves really didn't play any big role in my lynching.

At least more people are afraid of Ang than afraid of me. I want to know who trusts me though I suspect I know who .

Nogrod, I must say this game was great. I love the GDB role and I've always played with that role in my head and never knew how it would work. Ang I was dumbfounded that you went for Celuien the first night. I didn't think it would happen so quickly, but I thought that it was only one kill per game too.

A rather fun game despite me being a bit side tracked with life and other pursuits.

[Nogrod]

Just to begin with. Here's the results of the Questionnaire. Read and wonder what you think! There are some pretty interesting things in it, in the way we people perceive each other before a game...

The Questionnaire

The key:
Trust (T)
Sympathy (S)
Distrust (D)
Afraid of (A)
Wish to be on the same side (W)

The results:
Durelin – T1, A1
Rikae – T2
Thinlómien – T5, S2, D2,W5
Volo – S1
Kath – T1, S2, D4, A2, W1
Macalaure- T1, S1, W5
Rune son of Bjarne – T2, S2, D1,W1
Boromir88 – T2, S2, D2, A2, W8
Mithalwen – T3, S5, A1 W3
Lalwendë – T2, S2, A2, W3
Farael – D3
Naria – S2, D2
Anguirel – T4, S2, D3, A6, W4
Mormegil – T1, D6, A5, W6
Celuien – T3, A2, W5
Firefoot – T2, S1, A1, W4
Eomer – S3, D5, A1, W7
Gil-Galad – S1, D4
Roa_Aoife – T1, D2, A5, W6

[Volo]

Haha, I said it's natural to vote the big scary Anguirel.

[Durelin]

Here's the Ranger PM:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Hello Ranger and congratulations for something which hopefully turns out to be a very interesting and challenging role! It's a game of the three of you against the three of them!

So you are one of those three that were given a sword by the Eagles. Your task is to defend another villagers every Night with the other two rangers. Unfortunately you don’t know the identities of them, yet.

You may learn your mates identities. If two (three) of you happen to defend a same villager during the Night you will learn the identity of the other ranger(s). And, if you happen to defend a same villager (any villager) a second time together, you will be earning a right to PM each other during the Days and thence plot your defences for the Night the rest of the game.

If two of you have earned the right to PM together you may risk a jackpot if you so wish. That means: you may decide to go and defend a same person yet again (thence leaving one innocent whom you could defend vulnerable to a kill) and if you’re right and the wolf comes to a kill you will not only drive the wolf away but will also kill it together. If there are two (or more) wolves alive at the point you try this jackpot you should send me a shared list of your suspicions in the order of suspicion – then the higher/st one on your list will be the one who gets killed.

Even though in principle you have time to decide whom you are going to protect over the Night until the deadline, I will appreciate early notification of your actions (hopefully at least an hour before). There maybe a lot of action in this village during the Nights and thence it may turn out just impossible for me to open the Day in time if you notify me only minutes before the deadline.

No ranger is allowed to defend a same person two Nights in a row.

You wolves were great fun! Especially you, Rikae! I knew you were crazy and bold enough for that sort of thing. Lal did an excellent job looking like she was going along with things up till her end...and once it came down to her lynching she was great fun. I wish Kath had had more time and been less of a lurker. That's one of the dangers of a Kath-wolf, though, I suppose.

[Kath]

I wish Kath had had more time and been less of a lurker. That's one of the dangers of a Kath-wolf, though, I suppose.

Tell me about it. I had such good intentions for this game, and then event after event conspired against me! One might think it was karma.

Umm, as to our choices, you definitely don't want our full discussions. Perhaps Rikae you could do the explanations since you were our longest surviving comrade?