WW XXIX Dor-en-Gaur - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Durelin · 02-03-2007, 02:34 PM

I like Boro's list of suspects, though I agree with bumping Lal up on the list... Even if I still think Rikae's on the top.

So now Rikae's jumping on Firefoot, because "no one will listen to her" about me and my lies. One of them is probably a wolf, and I think it's Rikae. She has gone with convenience when it comes to voting. Hey, at least she's been consistent in that, right...

Kath is a little more suspicious to me now, perhaps cause her vote doesn't feel right. It seems too early...but then again, we get one retract.

So we have to be careful, and watch out for a Wolf who's around near the deadline... So personally, I'm still saving "both" my votes.

I'm going to go read through the thread a bit more. Sorry I was not around until now.

((My internet was out.))

Rikae · 02-03-2007, 02:41 PM

No, Wolfalin, I'm "jumping on" your pal because she made the most egragarious slip I have ever seen and looks even more wolfish than you. Not that you don't look wolfish, and if she's revealed for what she is you won't look quite so innocent anymore.

Rikae · 02-03-2007, 02:42 PM

That is to say, look so innocent to everybody else. I'm on to you.

Lalwendë · 02-03-2007, 02:44 PM

Well I'm sticking with the prime suspects I've had since the last Day as I'm truly thrown by what happened last night and at the end of the last day. At a loss for any other breakthroughs I may as well. And why not, as inconsistency seems to be a factor shared by those both suspected and those not suspected right now. If I go in a new path I will be doomed and if I retread old ones I will be doomed. So I will stick to gut feelings and my convictions and can at least go out knowing I was tue to my own senses. Alas, no time for any analysis much tonight.

(but I can do it again next time I play! Yay!) So long and thanks for all the fish...

++Firefoot

Durelin · 02-03-2007, 02:50 PM

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That is to say, look so innocent to everybody else. I'm on to you.

And I'm shakin'...

Lal's been nice and consistent. Trying to lynch Firefoot, particularly because she conveniently made a mistake that can be "jumped on" as Rikae said. She also has expressed the thought that Lommy is innocent, while mentioning passingly Farael as still a suspect, and not mentioning Rikae at all.

I think she's setting things up nicely for the following Days...we should remember that.

Durelin · 02-03-2007, 02:51 PM

Okay, I didn't explain my point there very well...she might be distancing herself from Farael and Rikae, and setting up Lommy for tomorrow.

Anyway, I guess I'd better vote now.

++Lalwende

Rikae · 02-03-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Durelin

made a mistake that can be "jumped on" as Rikae said.

Actually, it was you who said that, hence the quotes. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Anguirel · 02-03-2007, 03:01 PM

If we lynch an innocent today, Rikae, I will be highly unlikely to choose at all.

But I feel that of this trio of persecuted Firefoot accusers - Lalwende, Kath and Rikae - one is almost certainly innocent and two may be. I am increasingly certain that there is a wolf operating within the cosy consensus orchestrated by the Gifteds, tagging along with Boro, Durelin and I. I am at present inclined to think it is Lommy...

Lalwendë · 02-03-2007, 03:00 PM

No Durelin. I cannot get any handle on Lommy or Rikae as I've already said; they both seem far too confused to be trying to get away with anything. In a similar way, I can't get anything bad on you, though you are more careful. And Boro seems far too solid (though this could be a trap in itself as he is SO steadfast!). Everyone else has something or other fishy about them though. But like I've said there's been no time for much in-depth stuff for me today as there's too much going on here I'm afraid, so after yesterday's debacle I'm going to have to stick to my original suspicions; I would be lying to myself to do otherwise, sorry. It's stark but that's the way it has to be for me today.

Rikae · 02-03-2007, 02:53 PM

OK, I know I'm putting myself on the line here if I'm wrong, but I really believe Lal is innocent. The case against her doesn't make any logical sense and I feel very strongly that there are wolves among those who are campaigning to lynch her. It feels like a mindless bandwagon and I don't understand it; there is more evidence against Firefoot, or Farael, than against her. I know I'm suspected, but try to look at the evidence on it's own merits. Remember, if we lynch an innocent today and Ang chooses badly, we'll lose the game tonight. Please read over the posts and consider your votes carefully.

Thinlómien · 02-03-2007, 02:59 PM

One thing that makes me think Lal's a wolf even more is her reactions to the current situation. If she was innocent, she'd be more desperate to stay alive, after all, if Ang decides to kill someone and gets it wrong, and the wolves slaughter 2 people at night, this lynch is a decisive one...
Now she seems to accept her defeat and death, something wolves (especially unexperienced ones) keep doing. (I know that from experience, that's just what I did when I was a wolf, and I ended up a Fenris.)

EDIT: xed with Rikae's later post

Mithalwen · 02-03-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

One thing that makes me think Lal's a wolf even more is her reactions to the current situation.

That occured to me Lommy...... and I think I will leave my vote go now.... if Nog can't be prompt .. it is a frosty night and I have half an hour's drive ahead of me. goodnight and bon courage.....

Durelin · 02-03-2007, 03:05 PM

I agree with you, Ang about the cozyness, going along with everything. But just also remember a silent Wolf is the one that so often lives...

Lordy, tough job for you, eh?

Mithalwen · 02-03-2007, 03:05 PM

Farael will be removed from theh equasion if he has another no show I think - which is another reason to hang fire .....

Durelin · 02-03-2007, 03:06 PM

Aha. Like Naria was? Well, that's tricky...

Thinlómien · 02-03-2007, 03:09 PM

Mr Bond, I think saying this is probably useless, but even if we manage to lynch a wolf today, I think you should be careful with that golden dagger of yours. I know it's no use me telling you it is not very wise to stab me since I'm innocent (because I doubt that'd make you any less suspicious of me), but whoever you stab - me or someone else - I think you should reread their posts carefully through and not to be rash.
But, then again, I guess you're not so stupid that you wouldn't see that, so maybe I'll just shut up about this...

edit: xed with everyone on this page except Rikae's first post

Boromir88 · 02-03-2007, 03:14 PM

To also point out it's not just today that Rikae and Lal have distanced from eachother, but that seems to be the trend this entire time in the village. Talk about using some logic Rikae, that's not at all an uncommon move for wolves or gifteds who know eachother.

Ang you may have a point, but I do ask you to think of this. Mostly Rikae and Lal have not mentioned eachother, only recently has Rikae been protesting Lal's lynching...now it seems that this would be a bold move for a wolf, but let's consider the options here and which one would be the most suspicious move:

1) To suddenly turn on Lal and vote for her with the rest of us?
2) To keep on defending Lal and make it look like she is defending her so greatly that she can't possibly be a wolf?

Lalwendë · 02-03-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

One thing that makes me think Lal's a wolf even more is her reactions to the current situation. If she was innocent, she'd be more desperate to stay alive, after all, if Ang decides to kill someone and gets it wrong, and the wolves slaughter 2 people at night, this lynch is a decisive one...
Now she seems to accept her defeat and death, something wolves (especially unexperienced ones) keep doing. (I know that from experience, that's just what I did when I was a wolf, and I ended up a Fenris.)

EDIT: xed with Rikae's later post

It seems that once suspected if you take it calmly you are doomed and if you fire off you are doomed, so there's nothing to read into it at all, sadly. Once a mob has decided then that's it. Remember what happened when Durelin defended Volo? She was suspected, so why bother when it gets to this stage? It only dooms you too; very Darwinian. And Mithalwen has made it clear that if I now reveal as the other Ranger she won't believe me and she will tell everyone else not to believe me, so there is no point in doing what would now be my only defence. All I can do is stand by my convictions and trust to hope in the vote.

Rikae · 02-03-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalwendë

And Mithalwen has made it clear that if I now reveal as the other Ranger she won't believe me and she will tell everyone else not to believe me, so there is no point in doing what would now be my only defence.

I spoke too soon.

Lal, if you are really a ranger you should reveal yourself. You won't do the village any good dead; maybe you'll still get lynched but you should at least say something.

Anguirel · 02-03-2007, 03:18 PM

It would be among the biggest fiascos I've ever witnessed - and believe me, that's saying a lot - if Eilinielwende did turn out to be a Ranger after we hanged her...

Part of me kind of expects that to happen, in fact...

Rikae · 02-03-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

One thing that makes me think Lal's a wolf even more is her reactions to the current situation. If she was innocent, she'd be more desperate to stay alive, after all, if Ang decides to kill someone and gets it wrong, and the wolves slaughter 2 people at night, this lynch is a decisive one...

I would think that if she was a wolf, she'd pull the "I'm Brian and so's my wife" gifted reveal stunt. It seems to be the trend these days.

EDIT - X'd with Lal & Durelin

Mithalwen · 02-03-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

chooses badly, we'll lose the game tonight. Please read over the posts and consider your votes carefully.

I have and votes stays.. but I think you are my second choice so....

Durelin · 02-03-2007, 03:00 PM

Rikae, hon, you corrected me to say that you specifically jumped on Firefoot's mistake. That's what you said. So, sorry, yes, you are right. The quotes are in the wrong place.

Ang - I think Farael's more likely than Lommy if Lal is a Wolf.

Rikae · 02-03-2007, 03:02 PM

Durelin, the words "jumped on" were yours. That's why I put them in quotes. Apparently, you want to act as though they were my words in order to put me in a bad light.

To clarify, I used them sarcastically.

Anguirel · 02-03-2007, 03:06 PM

You know, I think Rikae's innocent. All this grammarian stuff is too mad and obsessive to be Macchiavellian, in the nicest possible way!

If Lal turns out to be guilty I'll probably go for Kath; if Lal is innocent I will not endanger the village's survival willfuly.

Durelin · 02-03-2007, 03:08 PM

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All this grammarian stuff is too mad and obsessive to be Macchiavellian, in the nicest possible way!

Pfft...if she's so mad and obsessive then why isn't she backing up her words with a vote for one of us "Gifted-posers?"

Rikae · 02-03-2007, 03:11 PM

Durelin, you're the only one I don't trust, as I've explained several times. I have reasons to believe the other two; you, on the other hand, have no evidence in your favor. I'm voting for Firefoot because I would like my vote to actually be of some use, and as I've said, she's the mosst suspicious person I've seen in this or any other village.
Fair enough?
Somehow I think you'll try to twist my words yet again...

02-03-2007, 02:44 PM	#4
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	Well I'm sticking with the prime suspects I've had since the last Day as I'm truly thrown by what happened last night and at the end of the last day. At a loss for any other breakthroughs I may as well. And why not, as inconsistency seems to be a factor shared by those both suspected and those not suspected right now. If I go in a new path I will be doomed and if I retread old ones I will be doomed. So I will stick to gut feelings and my convictions and can at least go out knowing I was tue to my own senses. Alas, no time for any analysis much tonight. (but I can do it again next time I play! Yay!) So long and thanks for all the fish... ++Firefoot __________________ Gordon's alive!

02-03-2007, 03:01 PM	#8
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	If we lynch an innocent today, Rikae, I will be highly unlikely to choose at all. But I feel that of this trio of persecuted Firefoot accusers - Lalwende, Kath and Rikae - one is almost certainly innocent and two may be. I am increasingly certain that there is a wolf operating within the cosy consensus orchestrated by the Gifteds, tagging along with Boro, Durelin and I. I am at present inclined to think it is Lommy... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

02-03-2007, 03:00 PM	#9
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	No Durelin. I cannot get any handle on Lommy or Rikae as I've already said; they both seem far too confused to be trying to get away with anything. In a similar way, I can't get anything bad on you, though you are more careful. And Boro seems far too solid (though this could be a trap in itself as he is SO steadfast!). Everyone else has something or other fishy about them though. But like I've said there's been no time for much in-depth stuff for me today as there's too much going on here I'm afraid, so after yesterday's debacle I'm going to have to stick to my original suspicions; I would be lying to myself to do otherwise, sorry. It's stark but that's the way it has to be for me today. __________________ Gordon's alive!

02-03-2007, 02:59 PM	#11
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	One thing that makes me think Lal's a wolf even more is her reactions to the current situation. If she was innocent, she'd be more desperate to stay alive, after all, if Ang decides to kill someone and gets it wrong, and the wolves slaughter 2 people at night, this lynch is a decisive one... Now she seems to accept her defeat and death, something wolves (especially unexperienced ones) keep doing. (I know that from experience, that's just what I did when I was a wolf, and I ended up a Fenris.) EDIT: xed with Rikae's later post __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

02-03-2007, 03:09 PM	#16
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Mr Bond, I think saying this is probably useless, but even if we manage to lynch a wolf today, I think you should be careful with that golden dagger of yours. I know it's no use me telling you it is not very wise to stab me since I'm innocent (because I doubt that'd make you any less suspicious of me), but whoever you stab - me or someone else - I think you should reread their posts carefully through and not to be rash. But, then again, I guess you're not so stupid that you wouldn't see that, so maybe I'll just shut up about this... edit: xed with everyone on this page except Rikae's first post __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

02-03-2007, 02:34 PM	#1
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	I like Boro's list of suspects, though I agree with bumping Lal up on the list... Even if I still think Rikae's on the top. So now Rikae's jumping on Firefoot, because "no one will listen to her" about me and my lies. One of them is probably a wolf, and I think it's Rikae. She has gone with convenience when it comes to voting. Hey, at least she's been consistent in that, right... Kath is a little more suspicious to me now, perhaps cause her vote doesn't feel right. It seems too early...but then again, we get one retract. So we have to be careful, and watch out for a Wolf who's around near the deadline... So personally, I'm still saving "both" my votes. I'm going to go read through the thread a bit more. Sorry I was not around until now. ((My internet was out.))

02-03-2007, 02:41 PM	#2
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	No, Wolfalin, I'm "jumping on" your pal because she made the most egragarious slip I have ever seen and looks even more wolfish than you. Not that you don't look wolfish, and if she's revealed for what she is you won't look quite so innocent anymore.

02-03-2007, 02:42 PM	#3
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	That is to say, look so innocent to everybody else. I'm on to you.

02-03-2007, 02:51 PM	#6
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Okay, I didn't explain my point there very well...she might be distancing herself from Farael and Rikae, and setting up Lommy for tomorrow. Anyway, I guess I'd better vote now. ++Lalwende

02-03-2007, 02:53 PM	#10
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	OK, I know I'm putting myself on the line here if I'm wrong, but I really believe Lal is innocent. The case against her doesn't make any logical sense and I feel very strongly that there are wolves among those who are campaigning to lynch her. It feels like a mindless bandwagon and I don't understand it; there is more evidence against Firefoot, or Farael, than against her. I know I'm suspected, but try to look at the evidence on it's own merits. Remember, if we lynch an innocent today and Ang chooses badly, we'll lose the game tonight. Please read over the posts and consider your votes carefully.

02-03-2007, 03:05 PM	#13
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	I agree with you, Ang about the cozyness, going along with everything. But just also remember a silent Wolf is the one that so often lives... Lordy, tough job for you, eh?

02-03-2007, 03:05 PM	#14
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Farael will be removed from theh equasion if he has another no show I think - which is another reason to hang fire .....

02-03-2007, 03:06 PM	#15
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Aha. Like Naria was? Well, that's tricky...

02-03-2007, 03:14 PM	#17
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	To also point out it's not just today that Rikae and Lal have distanced from eachother, but that seems to be the trend this entire time in the village. Talk about using some logic Rikae, that's not at all an uncommon move for wolves or gifteds who know eachother. Ang you may have a point, but I do ask you to think of this. Mostly Rikae and Lal have not mentioned eachother, only recently has Rikae been protesting Lal's lynching...now it seems that this would be a bold move for a wolf, but let's consider the options here and which one would be the most suspicious move: 1) To suddenly turn on Lal and vote for her with the rest of us? 2) To keep on defending Lal and make it look like she is defending her so greatly that she can't possibly be a wolf? __________________ Fenris Penguin

02-03-2007, 03:18 PM	#20
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	It would be among the biggest fiascos I've ever witnessed - and believe me, that's saying a lot - if Eilinielwende did turn out to be a Ranger after we hanged her... Part of me kind of expects that to happen, in fact... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

02-03-2007, 03:02 PM	#24
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Durelin, the words "jumped on" were yours. That's why I put them in quotes. Apparently, you want to act as though they were my words in order to put me in a bad light. To clarify, I used them sarcastically. Last edited by Rikae; 02-03-2007 at 03:03 PM. Reason: one more sentence

02-03-2007, 03:11 PM	#27
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Durelin, you're the only one I don't trust, as I've explained several times. I have reasons to believe the other two; you, on the other hand, have no evidence in your favor. I'm voting for Firefoot because I would like my vote to actually be of some use, and as I've said, she's the mosst suspicious person I've seen in this or any other village. Fair enough? Somehow I think you'll try to twist my words yet again...