WW XXIX Dor-en-Gaur - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mithalwen · 02-03-2007, 03:34 AM

Just a couple of things(I am on a library computer which is being v slow...) before I catch up... I want to point out a couple of things Lal said were patently not the case - that I was taciturn and that I had dropped Boro...

I don't "do" taciturn as you may have noticed and as for Boro ..he wasn't under suspicion and didn't need my defence day 2

but I did hilight the early post which gives a damn good hint that he is the hunter.

Lal only started suspecting me when I pointed out a few interesting things about her.... following Lommy's remark that tipped me off.

YEs I have been dim on the narratives but while (sorry fellow mods) narratives are entertaining I am so used to them scrupulously providing no clues that I skim them for the identities of the dead and then get on with the posts of the players where I hope to find clues. Given that I don't get a chance to look at the thread til half way through the day and then only perhaps for half an hour is it any wonder that I wasn't au fait? I am afraid I got an idee fix from the original narative which was wrong and survived too long...

I don't want to waste so much time on this becasue while I am increasingly sure Lal is a wolf (and hoping to goodness that this isn't one of those two innocents tearing each other apart things...) there are three wolves out there and most of the people I felt more innocent are dead...

I am fairly sure of Boro, and am inclined to place Lommy and Firefoot at the less supicious end of my list ... but I have a lot of reading to do ......

Mithalwen · 02-03-2007, 03:36 AM

Oh Ang that makes soooooooooooo much sense ....... you poor darling.... you really have so little luck withthis game but you make it so delightful.....

Mithalwen · 02-03-2007, 03:40 AM

I meant Celuien and past history .. good call on Rune

Lalwendë · 02-03-2007, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

I don't "do" taciturn as you may have noticed and as for Boro ..he wasn't under suspicion and didn't need my defence day 2 but I did hilight the early post which gives a damn good hint that he is the hunter.

Lal only started suspecting me when I pointed out a few interesting things about her.... following Lommy's remark that tipped me off.

If indeed Boro is the Hunter? It was such a strong defence and mounted before he 'revealed' he was the Hunter. Of course the case was then cut and dried and there was no need to defend him; isn't it a wolf trick as well to divert attention onto someone innocent? Which is what happened on day two.

I also note that I have been criticised for latching onto what Eomer suggested but I'm not the only one to 'latch on' to someone else's suggestions. And why wouldn't I want to defend myself? There have been enough innocents killed already.

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Oh Ang that makes soooooooooooo much sense ....... you poor darling.... you really have so little luck withthis game but you make it so delightful.....

Yet the other day he calls himself "Master of Beleriand" and says how good he is at this game? Which is he? Why's he thrown this 'revelation' out there, when he's not even under threat?

I get the horrible feeling we've all been duped as this game has suddenly turned on its own head. Some things seem just too carefully paced and staged. The only person I still have a good feeling about really is Lommy. I can't even be sure of Durelin now. Surely all three of Boro, Durelin and Ang can't be lying?

Anyway, if they are all being honest, even if we do get a Wolf today the odds are now small.

Thinlómien · 02-03-2007, 06:18 AM

I'm pretty assured. The wolves are Rikae, Lalwendë and Farael. They must be.

I read the village through reading only those people's posts who're still alive. On Day1, Lal, Rikae and Farael hardly mentioned each other, if at all.
On Day 2 both Rikae and Lal started suspecting Farael. Lalwendë started making theories of me + Farael wolf duo and Rikae continuously displayed suspicion of Farael. However, neither of them really attacked or made a case against him. Rikae ended up voing morm, of whom she expressed far less suspicion than of Farael. Lalwendë didn't attack him either, but that's less suspicious than Rikae's actions; Lal wasn't as "worried" about Farael as Rikae was. Notable, again Rikae and Lal hardly mentioned each other.

Then to the persons in general and today.

Rikae has been acting like classic "wolf under pressure" today. She starts wildly questioning the revealed gifteds and starts flooding analysis on this and that, on matters that really don't have that much significance.

Lal has been quite like that too toDay, at least about the gifteds and she has said in the past days and keeps saying things that make me uneasy about her.

Farael's the one I'm least assured about. I can so easily picture him deciding just after getting the news he'll be a wolf that he will pick some villager that is not suspected very much and keep suspecting him/her and everybody who defends this person... and everyone'll just think he's his normal weird self. I can so easily see him hiding behind his weird guy -reputation. Besides, as I've said, normally when he has these obsession-like suspicions, he still talks about other things too...
There's just one but. It's that both Rikae and Lal started suspecting him on Day2. That might be too much for wolves.
In that case I think Kath's the last wolf; Firefoot seems innocentish and I can't picture her being a wolf partner of Lal's and Rikae's, Mith seems innocent and I can't imagine her and Lal being companions and I trust the revealed gifteds.

~*~

Mr Anguirel Bond, honestly speaking you freak me out. That you can kill whenever you will is somehow unsettling, though I know you're on our side. I just hope we can trust your judgement...

Anguirel · 02-03-2007, 06:24 AM

Lalwendë m'dear, relax. What's bothering you? A bad case of fleas maybe?

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Originally Posted by Lalwendë

Yet the other day he calls himself "Master of Beleriand" and says how good he is at this game? Which is he? Why's he thrown this 'revelation' out there, when he's not even under threat?

I know that you are entirely capable of recognising jokes. I can therefore only assume that you are using that exclamation of mine for sophistrical purposes.

"I am the true King of Beleriand", indeed. Do I look like a freakishly tall Elf? I might as well have added "And I ride a fluorescent pink dragon, too."

I revealed myself to help the enquiries of my fellow villagers by narrowing things down, as I think is relatively clear.

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Originally Posted by Lalwendë

I get the horrible feeling we've all been duped as this game has suddenly turned on its own head.

I agree with you here. But I am not among those who have duped this village, and I am increasingly certain that you are.

Some things seem just too carefully paced and staged. The only person I still have a good feeling about really is Lommy. I can't even be sure of Durelin now. Surely all three of Boro, Durelin and Ang can't be lying?

No, oddly enough, they can't be. Quite right. Gold star, m'lady.

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Originally Posted by Lalwendë

Anyway, if they are all being honest, even if we do get a Wolf today the odds are now small.

Aren't you being a bit pessimistic...or optimistic maybe? Actually, our chance of bagging a wolf is probably in the region of 50%, when I've succeeded in persuading you all that Mith is innocent anyway. Add my assassinations and it rises still higher.

The suspects are now, assuming all the Gifteds so far are truthful -

Rikae
Thinlomien
Kath
Mithalwen
Lalwendë
Firefoot
Farael

Three of these are wolves, and I intend to ensure that at least one, and hopefully two, evildoers lie dead by this eve.

Give me some very good reasons, Lalwendë, why I should not thrust the burnished blade of mine into your heart.

Anguirel · 02-03-2007, 06:31 AM

Presently I suspect Lalwendë and Kath. Ideally I would like to lynch one and kill the other. But I will consider other options.

The last Ranger should perhaps consider revealing themself if they're under threat, though an unseemly battle of claimants will probably ensue.

Lalwendë · 02-03-2007, 06:54 AM

Why are we forcing the last Ranger to reveal? Given the odds even if Anguirel does have the Golden Blade and if we do get a wolf today, then that plays into the Wolves hands/paws. I wouldn't want to have to do this.

Then there is simply the risk that we've got it all wrong. If anyone has been lying or even saying they have a role when one of the others has it, then it's risking a lot. You have to be 100% certain before you can risk this. far better that the Ranger remains hidden, even if they are now at real risk of getting lynched today.

Assuming we're not going to force the last Ranger to throw it all away then I am thinking of Farael actually, Lommy. If you read what I wrote yesterday he remains on my suspect list. And I have no good reason not to remove him from that.

02-03-2007, 03:36 AM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Oh Ang that makes soooooooooooo much sense ....... you poor darling.... you really have so little luck withthis game but you make it so delightful..... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-03-2007, 03:40 AM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I meant Celuien and past history .. good call on Rune __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-03-2007, 06:18 AM	#5
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	I'm pretty assured. The wolves are Rikae, Lalwendë and Farael. They must be. I read the village through reading only those people's posts who're still alive. On Day1, Lal, Rikae and Farael hardly mentioned each other, if at all. On Day 2 both Rikae and Lal started suspecting Farael. Lalwendë started making theories of me + Farael wolf duo and Rikae continuously displayed suspicion of Farael. However, neither of them really attacked or made a case against him. Rikae ended up voing morm, of whom she expressed far less suspicion than of Farael. Lalwendë didn't attack him either, but that's less suspicious than Rikae's actions; Lal wasn't as "worried" about Farael as Rikae was. Notable, again Rikae and Lal hardly mentioned each other. Then to the persons in general and today. Rikae has been acting like classic "wolf under pressure" today. She starts wildly questioning the revealed gifteds and starts flooding analysis on this and that, on matters that really don't have that much significance. Lal has been quite like that too toDay, at least about the gifteds and she has said in the past days and keeps saying things that make me uneasy about her. Farael's the one I'm least assured about. I can so easily picture him deciding just after getting the news he'll be a wolf that he will pick some villager that is not suspected very much and keep suspecting him/her and everybody who defends this person... and everyone'll just think he's his normal weird self. I can so easily see him hiding behind his weird guy -reputation. Besides, as I've said, normally when he has these obsession-like suspicions, he still talks about other things too... There's just one but. It's that both Rikae and Lal started suspecting him on Day2. That might be too much for wolves. In that case I think Kath's the last wolf; Firefoot seems innocentish and I can't picture her being a wolf partner of Lal's and Rikae's, Mith seems innocent and I can't imagine her and Lal being companions and I trust the revealed gifteds. ~~ Mr Anguirel Bond, honestly speaking you freak me out. That you can kill whenever you will is somehow unsettling, though I know you're on our side. I just hope we can trust your judgement... __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris*

02-03-2007, 06:31 AM	#7
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Presently I suspect Lalwendë and Kath. Ideally I would like to lynch one and kill the other. But I will consider other options. The last Ranger should perhaps consider revealing themself if they're under threat, though an unseemly battle of claimants will probably ensue. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

02-03-2007, 06:54 AM	#8
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	Why are we forcing the last Ranger to reveal? Given the odds even if Anguirel does have the Golden Blade and if we do get a wolf today, then that plays into the Wolves hands/paws. I wouldn't want to have to do this. Then there is simply the risk that we've got it all wrong. If anyone has been lying or even saying they have a role when one of the others has it, then it's risking a lot. You have to be 100% certain before you can risk this. far better that the Ranger remains hidden, even if they are now at real risk of getting lynched today. Assuming we're not going to force the last Ranger to throw it all away then I am thinking of Farael actually, Lommy. If you read what I wrote yesterday he remains on my suspect list. And I have no good reason not to remove him from that. __________________ Gordon's alive!

02-03-2007, 03:34 AM	#1
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Just a couple of things(I am on a library computer which is being v slow...) before I catch up... I want to point out a couple of things Lal said were patently not the case - that I was taciturn and that I had dropped Boro... I don't "do" taciturn as you may have noticed and as for Boro ..he wasn't under suspicion and didn't need my defence day 2 but I did hilight the early post which gives a damn good hint that he is the hunter. Lal only started suspecting me when I pointed out a few interesting things about her.... following Lommy's remark that tipped me off. YEs I have been dim on the narratives but while (sorry fellow mods) narratives are entertaining I am so used to them scrupulously providing no clues that I skim them for the identities of the dead and then get on with the posts of the players where I hope to find clues. Given that I don't get a chance to look at the thread til half way through the day and then only perhaps for half an hour is it any wonder that I wasn't au fait? I am afraid I got an idee fix from the original narative which was wrong and survived too long... I don't want to waste so much time on this becasue while I am increasingly sure Lal is a wolf (and hoping to goodness that this isn't one of those two innocents tearing each other apart things...) there are three wolves out there and most of the people I felt more innocent are dead... I am fairly sure of Boro, and am inclined to place Lommy and Firefoot at the less supicious end of my list ... but I have a lot of reading to do ......