WW XXIX Dor-en-Gaur

[Lalwendë]

Boro.... I understand where you're coming from. This is much better than the old "he says too much!" or "She is too quiet!" or even the "Why has he started early?" thing. I might be quite new to this lark but I'm not wholly green and I saw that happen in my first game and I've seen it here. I happen to think you are innocent (at least for now, you know how things can change in a suspicious village!) - if you were guilty then it would mean Anguirel and Gil-galad had been in cahoots to drag you into the sights of everyone and from what Anguirel says, I think he could be innocent right now; I certainly don't have enough evidence to convict him at present and happen to think he was going along with early hunches.

Votes so far:
mormegil -> Rune (Rune 1)
Gil-Galad -> Boro (Rune 1, Boro 1)
Roa_Aoife -> Gil (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1)
Lommy -> Durelin (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Firefoot -> Boro (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Rikae -> Anguirel (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Kath -> Boromir88 (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Celuien -> Naria (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1)
Farael -> Lommy (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, naria 1, Lommy 1)
Volo -> Durelin (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy1)
Rune -> Mac (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 2, Ang 1, Mac 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1)
Anguirel -> Volo (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1, Mac 1, Volo1)

That's a wide spread. But there are trends I don't agree with.

I am now at the point of considering if my gut feelings are correct. I hate deciding things, I'm such a Libran.

[Mithalwen]

Sorry I am back .... I am a bit worried by the number of votes and having skimmed through I am not reassured at all by Volo .... sorry old chum but being asked questions is part of the deal .... however I really want to have a good look at what has been said. See if Boromir really does look sus or if he is being stitched up. Whether my instincts have foundation....

And as for my online times Lal ..I'll post on the village notice board...

[Farael]

I think that those who have mentioned the wide spread of votes are right... so I'm going to narrow it down a little bit

--Loomy

and yet, she's still my prime suspect... I just don't see any chance of getting her lynched, other than proving that..

++Volo who has been defending her is a wolf.

If I'm wrong about him, I might feel a bit better about Loomy but I still think there's something fishy about her.

[Anguirel]

This absurdly wide spread of votes, which I have helped contribute to, I fear, need not be completely disastrous providing people show flexibility and a willingness to retract. If my Volo case does not receive credible support, I'll probably plonk my vote where it's of more use.

Gil-Galad and Firefoot, your votes seem rather in the nature of a stab in the dark. If you only meant them half-heartedly, it would be a shame to see Boro done to death on their account. If you're still here, do have a careful think.

Of the candidates so far, Volo aside, I probably suspect Macalaure the most - he does seem to have been toying with Rune a bit, in a manner which reminds me of my own methods of wolf conciliation.

[Volo]

Is mormegil always like this on Day1?

[Anguirel]

Quiet and bloodthirsty? Well, yes, if not to quite this extent, I suppose...

[Lalwendë]

Even given the stern words from Eomer and Mithalwen there will be no more umming and ahhing from me. I think I've weighed the evidence so far and if I analyse it even more I shall convince myself away from my first choice and I learned the error of my ways in that first game not so long ago. So...

++Gil-galad

[Boromir88]

I might vote for Volo simply for being counter-constructive. I think we're past all the early talk about the rangers and the golden dagger, it's time to get down to business.

Anguirel

I probably suspect Macalaure the most - he does seem to have been toying with Rune a bit

Hmm...I was actually thinking the exact opposite. I think Rune is out of sync so to say. I know he doesn't post as much as a lot on here, but his posts I always get a sense that he is trying to help out, trying to contribute. Today, I'm just not getting that...

I guess now I will have to hear talks about me being over defencive, but if you have followed my recent history you will know that I have major issues with these kind of accusations and find them to be with very little merit.

I don't think it's over-defensive, I just think it looks like you are trying to convince people that's the answer. If the 'accusations' have so little merit, according to you, why get bothered by it?

I also really have no clue what the big hub about Farael is. And those who are trying to throw suspicion at Farael look might suspicious themselves. Why would a wolf make a post like that? I had a lot of suspicion around me, I had almost the entire village talking about me, so why would a wolf wish to spread things around and get the village considering others? The bigger the crowd the safer the wolf, Farael's post I took as trying to get us to look at people who haven't been talked about much. I don't think Lommy is suspicious, but Farael by trying to get the village to look at other people that have gone unmentioned definitely looks like an innocent. And those that I think are trying to make too much out of that post, to get suspicion on Farael, look far more suspicious than Farael's post!

Edit: Humorgous x-posting

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Lalwendë, you misunderstand me. I was not going for humour. I am honestly eager to see someone from this village taken down a peg. That'll put things in perspective for you; it'll do you good. It's true that some of my forefathers have been jolly types and this is probably what's confusing you. I am extremely cold-hearted and mean.

Blatantly copying Anguirel here but I don't care if it looks suspicious. (Anyway, I would have pointed it out had I been here at the time.) Volo certainly appears to be the cocky wolf. He comes swaggering in, making grand judgments, and appears very confrontational when questioned. He points out Farael's boldness in his case against Thinlómien, which strikes me as funny because Volo's whole demeanour is bold and strutting. Better lynch him soon.

Farael's case against Thinlómien had me nodding my head. Of course, I always suspect Lommy (and she me). My acceptance and agreement with Mormegil's bloodlust is not suspicious: just indicative of the fact that we are both horrible people.

And the whole idea of a Gil-Galad, Boromir88, Anguirel, whoever open collusion is severe over-thinking. I wouldn't even think about Day One tricks and super-conspiracies until we near the end and have stuff to look back on. If they can help it, they won't even be mentioning each other by name.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

He points out Farael's boldness in his case against Thinlómien, which strikes me as funny because Volo's whole demeanour is bold and strutting. Better lynch him soon.

I'm just as straight forward as always, as wolf and man. The whole point is to look the same when wolf and man, because it would be plain stupid if there was a sign by which you could see my innocence.

But yes, grudges...

So far Firefoot seems completely reasonable and calm, of course anything can mean anything in this game and I think that the end result is pretty often plain random.
No sense in lynching her toDay.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ha! I just had another look through and the person I pinpointed was Firefoot.

Her vote seems a bit...I don't know. It seems quite reasonable but also easy. Especially voting that early. Gil-Galad because he talks about himself being suspicious, even though he was only (to my mind) playing the Confused Philosopher role.

And voting for Boromir88 because of his guessing in the innocence of some and not of others. I'm not sure. It seems a bit convenient to me. And I think an innocent might have added another qualifier, such as "Of course, I'm really not sure."

She seems too reasonable and it's getting to your heads. I think we should lynch her.

[Anguirel]

That's rather convincing, actually, Eomer...I wonder what the waif herself will say to it.

What do you think of Macalaure, out of interest? Anything in particular?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

For my whole life I have suspected Macalaure. He must be very exasperated with me by now.

But to answer your question, I would quite like to see him lynched.

Looking at the votes, I know I want Boromir88 to stick around; so I will probably vote for one of his rivals.

[Volo]

I have a feeling that Celuien has a higher probability of turning out a wolf than the other. She has been talking about the story-hints just like me, but didn't throw a single opinion on reality during the whole day. That's one quiet wolf. Consider voting her tomorrow if nothing better happens, I feel like I'm going down already today, pity.

She does promise to come later today, but that would be safe.

Originally Posted by Mith

Volo is looking shiftier by the minute .. is getting a bit hysterical and is this fixation on the special roles a desperate attempt to look useful?

Haha! Wait 'til you play with me again.

[Volo]

Gil-Galad, only one post to take into account. He does exactly what he suspects Boromir is doing (nearly, Gil does have a better reason to do so). A bad reason still, but... dunno. Anything.
Actually I bet that he isn't an ordo, whatever he is.
And may the shift-button be with you, man...


X:d with everything since my last post.

[Mithalwen]

I am just on Page 2 of my in depth read through but checking back ..Volo is looking shiftier by the minute .. is getting a bit hysterical and is this fixation on the special roles a desperate attempt to look useful?

To me he is far more suspicious than Boro .....

Gil also is worrying me - starts merely parroting the previous post then vote for Boro... Is he trusting that we will say Gil being Gil and ignore him? But we can't . He is the sort that wolves leave alive for the confusion factor ....and so we may have to answer the question ourselves ..

[Anguirel]

Votes at the time of writing:

Boro 3
Rune 1
Gil 2
Durelin 2
Ang 1
Naria 1
Mac 1
Volo 2

3 hours 'till the deadline...

[Volo]

Rune I trust. He hasn't said too much useful, but my guts tell me not to suspect him too much. The only thing that I find really strange is this

+/+Macalaure

Edit: Cross posted with Mac

Rune should have had enough time to explain this one better, as Mac just posted a major post at the same time as Rune voted for him.

I think this is worth noticing!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Though my head doubts this wisdom, there is an invisible rope keeping me from voting Volo. What can it be?

Casually states "I feel like I'm going down already today, pity."

He's almost daring us to vote for him.

The other serious contender for me out of those with votes is Macalaure.

[Macalaure]

First, a random thought about trust and mistrust.
Of course, you can't trust anyone (unless a proven seer confirmes them innocent). You simply can't. We've all been in situations (I think) where we were absolutely sure someone was innocent and then woke up with a dagger in our back. Then again, you simply cannot mistrust 17 people at a time. You go insane.
You have to trust a portion of the village, take up their points, consider them honest (even if they're contrary to your own. In fact, especially then) and make up your own mind then. I think the key is to question your trust frequently and don't set it in stone.


Current state of the trust:

People I trust (at the moment)
me
Rikae
Boromir
Roa

People I trust somewhat
mormegil (no reason for mistrust)
Anguirel (fishy, but he's always fishy)
Volo (I sense a trend towards him. Slowly there! He said a lot that naturally makes everyone suspicious. I maintain that he's genuine and innocent)
Firefoot
Mithalwen

People who seem weird
Lommy (don't know what to do with her)
Gil (looks pretty much like Gil. I always suspect him in a way)
Farael

People I have no feeling about
Naria (hasn't posted)
Durelin (hasn't posted sustantially)

People I suspect
Lalwende (little more than a hunch)
Rune (too uncontroversial in the beginning. Better lately)
Celuien (too uncontroversial. Only talked about the roles and defended people. Said she feels good about everyone so far and votes someone who hasn't posted. But then, Celuien is nice whatever her role)
Eomer (I have no problem with people suspecting me (see Rune), but I like to hear their reasons)


We have retrackies, so I'm putting another name into the urn, just to see what happens:

++Celuien