I don't understand this either... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

MatthewM · 01-24-2007, 06:42 PM

I came in too late on this thread, but I just want to throw my two cents in. Most people hit it on the head with their responses, and there's nothing I really can say that hasn't been said in previous posts. But one thing I can say is, it really, really gets me mad when people make fun and call characters like Frodo and Sam/ Aragorn and Boromir/Legolas and Aragorn/Merry and Pippin/any LotR character gay. As stated, these people that say that have never known a true loving friendship. I can see where some people might crack a joke once in a blue moon at a Frodo and Sam scene. Whatever, life goes on. But to actually think that about these characters and be serious about it is ridiculous.

It's sad how it is here in the US, everyone was pretty accurate with the "Man Laws". Here, if you talk to your best friend on the phone for a while (of course this doesn't apply to a girl talking to a girl) people probably make fun or crack a joke. That's just one of the examples. People should learn from The Lord of the Rings and really get a deep understanding of friendship and the sacrifices that come along with it.

It is true that, at least in the US, sex is everywhere, and this is all teens (High Schoolers in particular) see. They are also growing and learning about all this sex stuff, so obviously it's gonna be on their mind often. Face it, it's on almost everybody's mind often. It may be the media, because all that is on TV is dating games with brainless women picking from 4 desperate guys in a van ...(just one of the examples

) It could also be plain old hormones, like someone previous had said, enhanced by all the sex on the media.

The whole situation is pretty sad.

Formendacil · 01-24-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewM

4 desperate guys in a van

Anyone else thinking about this LotR quote?

Quote:

Legolas and Gimli were to ride again together in company of Aragorn and Gandalf, who went in the van..

--Return of the King, Book V, Chapter X: The Black Gate Opens.

The fact that there's four of them mentioned by name just makes it better.

Lalwendë · 01-25-2007, 02:41 AM

What are you saying Form? That it was really just one big dating show? These four guys being bundled into a van by an MTV crew and sent round to the desperate Eowyn? I think she chose the only one she could to be honest...shame he was already taken...

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-25-2007, 08:22 AM

Is it not simply because most characters are male? I seem to remember inventing some awful soap-storyline for the Lord of the Rings characters which, of course, had to involve copious amounts of amorous scenarios. Men together, yes; but what about the men and the women (disgraceful stuff involving Arwen), and lots to do with Hobbits.

It's not all to do with sex but there are only so many basic storylines.

People want to make fun of stuff. It's surely a sign of health if one can take everything with a pinch of salt and, yes, laugh at everything. When playing Lord of the Rings risk, a certain other Barrowdowner and I make constant ridiculous jokes—some crude, but more often than not detailing farce or the absurd.

The bureaucracy of leaving a single Orc to defend the Shire in times of war.

It just so happens that sex is as simple, as crude, and as offensive as it gets; and (sometimes) very funny.

Watch any film, any television show, any cartoon, and be aware that at the same time, somewhere in the world, a group of teenagers are watching the same thing and laughing about how gay it is. We can take this issue for the Lord of the Rings if we want, but I think it's a bit of a waste of time.

01-24-2007, 06:42 PM	#1
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	I came in too late on this thread, but I just want to throw my two cents in. Most people hit it on the head with their responses, and there's nothing I really can say that hasn't been said in previous posts. But one thing I can say is, it really, really gets me mad when people make fun and call characters like Frodo and Sam/ Aragorn and Boromir/Legolas and Aragorn/Merry and Pippin/any LotR character gay. As stated, these people that say that have never known a true loving friendship. I can see where some people might crack a joke once in a blue moon at a Frodo and Sam scene. Whatever, life goes on. But to actually think that about these characters and be serious about it is ridiculous. It's sad how it is here in the US, everyone was pretty accurate with the "Man Laws". Here, if you talk to your best friend on the phone for a while (of course this doesn't apply to a girl talking to a girl) people probably make fun or crack a joke. That's just one of the examples. People should learn from The Lord of the Rings and really get a deep understanding of friendship and the sacrifices that come along with it. It is true that, at least in the US, sex is everywhere, and this is all teens (High Schoolers in particular) see. They are also growing and learning about all this sex stuff, so obviously it's gonna be on their mind often. Face it, it's on almost everybody's mind often. It may be the media, because all that is on TV is dating games with brainless women picking from 4 desperate guys in a van ...(just one of the examples ) It could also be plain old hormones, like someone previous had said, enhanced by all the sex on the media. The whole situation is pretty sad. __________________ "Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills...and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!" -Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring Last edited by MatthewM; 01-24-2007 at 06:45 PM.

01-25-2007, 02:41 AM	#3
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	What are you saying Form? That it was really just one big dating show? These four guys being bundled into a van by an MTV crew and sent round to the desperate Eowyn? I think she chose the only one she could to be honest...shame he was already taken... __________________ Gordon's alive!

01-25-2007, 08:22 AM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Is it not simply because most characters are male? I seem to remember inventing some awful soap-storyline for the Lord of the Rings characters which, of course, had to involve copious amounts of amorous scenarios. Men together, yes; but what about the men and the women (disgraceful stuff involving Arwen), and lots to do with Hobbits. It's not all to do with sex but there are only so many basic storylines. People want to make fun of stuff. It's surely a sign of health if one can take everything with a pinch of salt and, yes, laugh at everything. When playing Lord of the Rings risk, a certain other Barrowdowner and I make constant ridiculous jokes—some crude, but more often than not detailing farce or the absurd. The bureaucracy of leaving a single Orc to defend the Shire in times of war. It just so happens that sex is as simple, as crude, and as offensive as it gets; and (sometimes) very funny. Watch any film, any television show, any cartoon, and be aware that at the same time, somewhere in the world, a group of teenagers are watching the same thing and laughing about how gay it is. We can take this issue for the Lord of the Rings if we want, but I think it's a bit of a waste of time. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond