Greatest of Morgoth's creations? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

WarBringer · 12-15-2002, 04:06 PM

what in your opinion is morgoth's greatest creation? I believe that it has to be the balrogs, as they turned the tide in countless battles...

mordor136 · 12-15-2002, 04:32 PM

I would have to say either Balrogs or Dragons.....the obvious choices but why else would they be so popular?

Mattius · 12-15-2002, 04:37 PM

Although Balrogs and Dragons are great you cannot over look the Orcs. What would Morgoth have been without them and indeed what would Sauron have been? Balrogs and Dragons were the massive and quite rare fighting machines but the Orcs were the bread and butter of the army and probably made up about 90% of Morgoth's forces. Without them he would have been much weaker.

Manwe Sulimo · 12-15-2002, 07:20 PM

The Balrogs weren't creations of Morgoth. They were corrupt Maiar spirits of fire that took the same form...yadee yadee yah.

IMHO, Morgoth's greated creation was Ancalagon.

Gilbo · 12-15-2002, 09:50 PM

Orcs,absolutely, and in extremis!
They are a corruption of the Elves and hated by Illuvator.
None of Melkor's other creations show the malice of spirit as the inception of a being purposely distorted from its origins.

the real findorfin · 12-16-2002, 01:24 PM

Probably a dumb question....but how were Dragons created by Morgoth if he did not have the power to create?

Did he breed them, if so from what?

Ebony · 12-16-2002, 02:06 PM

I've wondered the same thing too. What about all the different kinds of trolls and other monsters mentioned in the Sil? He must have had some kind of power to create. I supposed you could argue that trolls are corrupted ents, but as far as I know, JRRT never really says so specifically, only hints at it in Treebeard's speech: 'But Trolls are only counterfeits, made by the Enemy in the Great Darkness, in mockery of Ents, as Orcs were of Elves.'

Manwe Sulimo · 12-16-2002, 02:22 PM

The original worms were (allegedly) bred from giant lizards and "enchanted", I guess. Other than that, I don't know.

12-15-2002, 04:06 PM	#1
WarBringer Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wandering The North Posts: 184	Greatest of Morgoth's creations? what in your opinion is morgoth's greatest creation? I believe that it has to be the balrogs, as they turned the tide in countless battles... __________________ Fortune Favors the Bold...

12-15-2002, 04:32 PM	#2
mordor136 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: snowboarding with Morgoth in the void Posts: 221	I would have to say either Balrogs or Dragons.....the obvious choices but why else would they be so popular? __________________ It's not A.D.D I'm just ignoring you. I'm like a super-hero with no powers or motivation

12-15-2002, 04:37 PM	#3
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	Although Balrogs and Dragons are great you cannot over look the Orcs. What would Morgoth have been without them and indeed what would Sauron have been? Balrogs and Dragons were the massive and quite rare fighting machines but the Orcs were the bread and butter of the army and probably made up about 90% of Morgoth's forces. Without them he would have been much weaker. __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

12-15-2002, 07:20 PM	#4
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	The Balrogs weren't creations of Morgoth. They were corrupt Maiar spirits of fire that took the same form...yadee yadee yah. IMHO, Morgoth's greated creation was Ancalagon. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-16-2002, 01:24 PM	#6
the real findorfin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 514	Probably a dumb question....but how were Dragons created by Morgoth if he did not have the power to create? Did he breed them, if so from what? __________________ Legends of Middle Earth

12-15-2002, 09:50 PM	#5
Gilbo Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: maryland Posts: 34	Orcs,absolutely, and in extremis! They are a corruption of the Elves and hated by Illuvator. None of Melkor's other creations show the malice of spirit as the inception of a being purposely distorted from its origins.

12-16-2002, 02:06 PM	#7
Ebony Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: between a hard and a rocky place Posts: 22	I've wondered the same thing too. What about all the different kinds of trolls and other monsters mentioned in the Sil? He must have had some kind of power to create. I supposed you could argue that trolls are corrupted ents, but as far as I know, JRRT never really says so specifically, only hints at it in Treebeard's speech: 'But Trolls are only counterfeits, made by the Enemy in the Great Darkness, in mockery of Ents, as Orcs were of Elves.' __________________ Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

12-16-2002, 02:22 PM	#8
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	The original worms were (allegedly) bred from giant lizards and "enchanted", I guess. Other than that, I don't know. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."