Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXVI - Úcenite Valto - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the phantom · 11-15-2006, 11:20 AM

Did anyone see what the Dark Lady just decreed on the planning thead?

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Originally Posted by me

We need victory conditions, Fea.

When two WWs are killed, does the village win?

When the number of villagers equals the number of WWs, do the WWs win?

In order to make this village completely legitimate you must provide victory conditions, for a game/competition/activity without known and attainable objectives is not a real game/competition/activity.

The response-

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Originally Posted by our evil mod

You'll find out who wins when there's one person left and I let you know what his or her role is.

You've gotta be kidding.

Does everyone realize what this means? It's possible that by tomorrow both WWs will be dead but we will have to continue on killing each other until we're down to one final player. Or actually, what I imagine the case will be is that we'll kill until there are 2 players left after day 6 and then Fea will flip a coin to determine the survivor.

That's insane. Does this idea drive anyone else nuts?

the phantom · 11-15-2006, 11:59 AM

Since our resident Dark Lady has not provided us with the usual tally, I will provide one.

THE LIVING-

Anguirel
Diamond18
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Estelyn Telcontar
Kath
littlemanpoet
Mithalwen
Nogrod
Roa_Aoife
the phantom
The Saucepan Man

THE DEAD-

Boromir88 (innocent)- bravely faced the gallows on Day 1
mormegil (innocent)- bled by the WWs on Night 2

On the subject of Fea not telling us when a WW has died, I think it is likely she will at the least tell us of the death of the first WW. Telling us that one has died will not ruin her plans for this village in any way. Telling us when both have died, however, would. And so, I fully expect to be told of the first WW death, but not the second (though she might subtly hint). That would seem to be the intelligent thing for the Dark Lady to do in order to fulfill her goals, and though she is undoubtedly insane, she is not stupid.

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Originally Posted by SPM

It would also suggest that, if two Wolves remain at the end, they will be fighting it out to see who wins.

How odd. But you're right.

I've been thinking, and I believe that if it comes down to two WWs or two innocents, Fea will for sure flip the coin and kill one. BUT if it comes down to one WW and one villager, the WW will automatically win. This makes sense. Which leads me to something else-

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Originally Posted by SPM

Which takes us back to my original understanding of two competing Wolves ...

Indeed. I totally, completely, and fully agree that if an individual WW wishes to claim victory for himself/herself it is necessary to compete with each other as well as the village, for if it comes down to himself/herself and a villager victory is assured, but if the village is reduced to himself/herself and the other WW, he/she might not survive, and being the only survivor is without a doubt the supreme honor that everyone in this village is vying for.

PS SPM- am I doing well today? Just wink if you think you get what I'm saying.

Mithalwen · 11-15-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Does everyone realize what this means? It's possible that by tomorrow both WWs will be dead but we will have to continue on killing each other until we're down to one final player. Or actually, what I imagine the case will be is that we'll kill until there are 2 players left after day 6 and then Fea will flip a coin to determine the survivor.

That's insane. Does this idea drive anyone else nuts?

No, it is what I expected after mormegil's role was not specified... Fea was unlikely ot waive the divine right of moderators . We are her Lab rats and she will want as much amusement as possible. She has waited a long time for this and was so certain on who she wanted ... she has a purpose ...... whether there is any system or code that will allow us to understand or whether we are dependant simply on luck I am not sure.

Personally I am going to roll with it....and see what happens....

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-15-2006, 12:27 PM

If I have seemed quiet to some of you, it is because I am playing only my second WW game (the first was a year ago, so doesn't really help me much) and do not have the practice and experience to analyze posts, behaviour, and all the factors that you frequent flyers are using. I'm trying to learn from you!

For now, the only feeling I have is about Di; it can be summed up in the quote, "Methinks the lady doth protest too much." However, those of you who are positing that a werewolf would not be as vociferous on the first day could be true.

For some strange reason I can't define, I still trust the phantom. If he really is a WW, he's a good one!

the phantom · 11-15-2006, 12:32 PM

So, Kath, are you going to step up and start talking or are you going to continue lurking about until we all assume that you're trying to avoid saying/doing anything that would get you lynched?

Cause seriously, if I am completely unable to get any sort of innocent/guilty feeling about you by late today (or early tomorrow at the latest) I'm just going to lynch you (or try anyway).

Here's my current list as of right this very second...

Clearly innocent-
Ang
Mith
Nogrod
tp
SPM

Maybe WWs, but I am starting to form opinions on them and will make up my mind eventually-
Eomer
Esty
lmp
Roa

Maybe WWs, and I'm completely unable to form opinions on them yet-
Di
Kath

Kath · 11-15-2006, 12:54 PM

Judge away master phantom, I'll make no excuses for not talking. I've been following the thread as it grows, just feeling more like an observer than a player what with the Dark Lady feeding us only snippets of fact as we go along.

Lynch me if you like, I'm of little help right now. It generally takes a good three/four Days before I'm sure of the innocence or guilt of anyone, and there are some here I haven't played with often, so it's taking me a while to get my bearings.

If you desperately want my opinions though you can have them. I think that you and Mith are innocent, the reasoning for you is simply a feeling, for Mith it's the way she's playing.

lmp and Sauce and the spat between them are causing me some worry.

Apart from that I have no clear views, and none of those are exactly clear either.

Mithalwen · 11-15-2006, 12:59 PM

Oh yes... I wonder if there is any point in us speculating why each of us was chosen? I assume I was to be a loose cannon ... which is not something I am actively trying to be but is often a by-product of my personality ....

the phantom · 11-15-2006, 01:23 PM

Just keep giving opinions, Kath. That's all I ask.

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Originally Posted by Mith

I wonder if there is any point in us speculating why each of us was chosen?

Speculate away. I'm certainly not one to put the brakes on speculation.

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Originally Posted by Mith

I assume I was to be a loose cannon

Well, then you had better be a loose cannon. I can't imagine the Dark Lady being kind to someone who isn't living up to what they were chosen for.

I was chosen no doubt because my mere presence would arouse suspicion, and because I'm very loud, and because I am likely to add entertainment value. That's what we are, you realize. We are Fea's puppets, dancing for her delight.

the phantom · 11-15-2006, 01:26 PM

Betcha anything that last sentence makes it onto Fea's blog.

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-15-2006, 01:34 PM

Well, I think I was chosen mainly because I so seldom participate in WW games, the trophy bird of paradise in Fea's glass menagerie, so to speak. That keeps this game from being a collection of the usual suspects, who have all played with or against each other many times. Perhaps she thought that would make me less calculable for the strategic experts...

littlemanpoet · 11-15-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kath

lmp and Sauce and the spat between them are causing me some worry.

Why? It's so typical that I would think it could easily be ranked as just about the least worrisome thing in this game.

Mithalwen · 11-15-2006, 02:02 PM

Yes but we can't assume that it is the "two innocents tearing each other apart scenario" can we...

littlemanpoet · 11-15-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Yes but we can't assume that it is the "two innocents tearing each other apart scenario" can we...

Well, you'll just have to decide for yourself what it is, just like everything else about this wacko game.

Just for the sake of getting my head around things just a wee bit here:

Who I think is innocent (all gut feeling as there really, really isn't much else that can honestly be said by anybody with any certainty at all {Elempi glares at Espiem}):

Elempi (obviously)
the phantom
Espiem
Mithalwen

Who I'm not at all sure about:
Nogrod
Kath
Anguirel
Estelyn

Who I think may be a werewolf:

PreciousPrism18
Roa
Eomer

Eomer has been rather quiet and rather disengaging, and his posts nonchalant and disarming. I don't trust that in him.

Roa is capable of just about anything. I learned that in a certain DW game.

Diamond: she's due.

11-15-2006, 12:27 PM	#4
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	If I have seemed quiet to some of you, it is because I am playing only my second WW game (the first was a year ago, so doesn't really help me much) and do not have the practice and experience to analyze posts, behaviour, and all the factors that you frequent flyers are using. I'm trying to learn from you! For now, the only feeling I have is about Di; it can be summed up in the quote, "Methinks the lady doth protest too much." However, those of you who are positing that a werewolf would not be as vociferous on the first day could be true. For some strange reason I can't define, I still trust the phantom. If he really is a WW, he's a good one! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-15-2006, 12:32 PM	#5
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	So, Kath, are you going to step up and start talking or are you going to continue lurking about until we all assume that you're trying to avoid saying/doing anything that would get you lynched? Cause seriously, if I am completely unable to get any sort of innocent/guilty feeling about you by late today (or early tomorrow at the latest) I'm just going to lynch you (or try anyway). Here's my current list as of right this very second... Clearly innocent- Ang Mith Nogrod tp SPM Maybe WWs, but I am starting to form opinions on them and will make up my mind eventually- Eomer Esty lmp Roa Maybe WWs, and I'm completely unable to form opinions on them yet- Di Kath __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

11-15-2006, 12:54 PM	#6
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Judge away master phantom, I'll make no excuses for not talking. I've been following the thread as it grows, just feeling more like an observer than a player what with the Dark Lady feeding us only snippets of fact as we go along. Lynch me if you like, I'm of little help right now. It generally takes a good three/four Days before I'm sure of the innocence or guilt of anyone, and there are some here I haven't played with often, so it's taking me a while to get my bearings. If you desperately want my opinions though you can have them. I think that you and Mith are innocent, the reasoning for you is simply a feeling, for Mith it's the way she's playing. lmp and Sauce and the spat between them are causing me some worry. Apart from that I have no clear views, and none of those are exactly clear either. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

11-15-2006, 12:59 PM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Oh yes... I wonder if there is any point in us speculating why each of us was chosen? I assume I was to be a loose cannon ... which is not something I am actively trying to be but is often a by-product of my personality .... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-15-2006, 01:26 PM	#9
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Betcha anything that last sentence makes it onto Fea's blog. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

11-15-2006, 01:34 PM	#10
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Well, I think I was chosen mainly because I so seldom participate in WW games, the trophy bird of paradise in Fea's glass menagerie, so to speak. That keeps this game from being a collection of the usual suspects, who have all played with or against each other many times. Perhaps she thought that would make me less calculable for the strategic experts... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-15-2006, 02:02 PM	#12
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Yes but we can't assume that it is the "two innocents tearing each other apart scenario" can we... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace