Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXVI - Úcenite Valto

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Esty

Moi?! On your lynch list? How did that happen?

Because if I was modding I would've made you a WW. Without a doubt.

[Boromir88]

But your not modding

[Anguirel]

phantom, your dogma is pretty inflexible at the moment. That makes me think you more likely to be innocent - so far.

However, your assertions that Fea is going to pick everything rather than randomise it exaggerate our plight, I feel. Besides, let's look at what the Lady actually said -

Originally Posted by Dark Lady

There was a reason each of you were chosen. You all know me. You also know each other, at least to a point.

Though I didn't directly choose the wolves, you may not want to assume it was a completely random choice.

That implies elements of luck and preference - perhaps randomised shortlists which were then manipulated, but in any case no reason to brand Esty a wolf immediately...

[Diamond18]

Hello, hello again, sha-boom I'm hoping we'll meet again....

Who do I have grudges against? Who would I most like to throw sharp and pointy items at? EOMER! Eomer! Ha ha ha ha haaaaa! And Boromir. He knows I swore to have my revenge on him, and no, I have not yet gotten it, good sir.

But really, I think that tp is a wolf, because, look at the moderator. End of story!

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

But your not modding

Ah, but that doesn't make my observation useless. Both Ang and I have stated that we would have an extreme desire to make Esty a WW if we were modding. Surely marking someone as an attractive WW means something.

Originally Posted by Ang

However, your assertions that Fea is going to pick everything rather than randomise it exaggerate our plight, I feel.

Oh, well. I'm just speaking my mind.

Originally Posted by Ang

That implies elements of luck and preference - perhaps randomised shortlists which were then manipulated

Fea doesn't have to tell the truth if she doesn't want to. She can subtly mislead us or outright lie to us.

Originally Posted by Di

But really, I think that tp is a wolf, because, look at the moderator.

Too obvious and predictable. And don't give me the bluff-option. It's just plain old too predictable- not what Fea would want for this village.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by tp

Both Ang and I have stated that we would have an extreme desire to make Esty a WW if we were modding. Surely marking someone as an attractive WW means something.

Well, I suppose. But I never get to play with Esty, I don't want her to die right away. So there. That's logic for you.

Boromir, on the other hand, now here's a fellow I've played with several times, and who killed me second to last time, when I was the Seer and had dreamt of him and had spent half the night writing up an eviscerating analysis of him. That's why I think I shall be voting for him toDay.

So there, there's my completely random and petty reasoning, ha ha!

Now I'll hang around a bit, talking lots of nonsense, before writing my vote in stone and hightailing it out of here.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Thanks, Di! Here I was thinking I'd finally let myself get talked into participating in a WW game for the first time since a year ago only to get lynched on the first day...

Now, I enjoy getting called "attractive" by young men, but does it have to be in the context of "attractive werewolf?!

[Diamond18]

Okay, so, here's the self defense portion of today's posting.

I can echo Esty's sentiment:

I'd like to remind you that I have a 100% record of being an innocent villager.

But unlike Esty I have several games under my belt which makes this stat far more impressive. In fact, I've lost count of how many games I've played in thus far, but I've been lily-white in every single one of them. I think it's been upwards of ten or so games.

So, there is a rule in WW, which it would do you well to consider:

Said Rule

Diamond18 is not evil. She has never been evil. She will never be evil. So let it be written, so let it be done. Or not done, depending on how you are interpreting the word "it" in this context. If "it" is "a moderator assigning an evil role to Diamond" then "not done" is the proper phraseology.

Thank you for your time.

[Diamond18]

PS -- You don't think Fea would break this rule, do you? Do you really?!?! Fea respects rules. Just look at ATM2. She's Aretha Franklin.

Now, I enjoy getting called "attractive" by young men, but does it have to be in the context of "attractive werewolf?!

Maybe they find werewolves to be attractive because they are wolves!

[littlemanpoet]

Just a stupid observation and sorry if you've already made it in a post I haven't read yet, but nobody died last night. So that's weird. Okay, we're in a werewolf game, so we know that there will be deaths. But to have a lynching before the first kill? That's really odd.

Now for a bit of speculation causes shivers down my gaming spine: what if Feamoderator is the third werewolf? Is that completely outside the realm of possibility?

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Said Rule

Diamond18 is not evil. She has never been evil. She will never be evil. So let it be written, so let it be done. Or not done, depending on how you are interpreting the word "it" in this context. If "it" is "a moderator assigning an evil role to Diamond" then "not done" is the proper phraseology.

Thank you for your time.

SPM one a game as a werewolf banking on just such a "rule". Tough beans, you lycanthrope.

[Kath]

If we're going on petty reasoning the only person I have is morm, but I have no grudge against him, we've just played too many games together to assume we're on the same side.

Oh, and I suppose I could have something against Ang, but since I got him lynched from beyond the grave I'm pretty sure we can call that quits.

[Kath]

Quick question which is going in here since there are people around - what is the deadline? In terms of GMT preferably.

[Anguirel]

Well. Hmmm. Examining things from Fea's point of view, these are my deductions -

-She would want an entertaining, exciting and preferably close fight - which is why I think the two disconnected wolves have to be basically in this together, as far as that's possible, rather than being werebears - unless there's some other variable involved.

-She would love phantom to be a Fenris Wolf.

-She wouldn't be averse to springing Diamantine surprises on us.

I have therefore decided that if phantom is a wolf, he is probably an extra wolf, thrown in to be lynched on Day 1. He might not even have been told that he is such...

[Diamond18]

An interesting point you make about SpM, Nogrod. What I found more strange was his bizarre plot to tie everyone at one, which would only result in mine and Boromir's deaths. The question is, is he evil? Or just taken one too many pots to the head?

[Nogrod]

An interesting mix of randomness and hidden determinism we have here...

The problem surely is that both ends seem to eliminate free will and reasonable decision making by our part. But as always I would carry the card of reasoning here, even against all odds.

I agree with the phantom that we should not give any more of our limited powers to the Dark Lady and her random-machinery / personal picks.

That would call for actual points made against people here, hopefully cases with arguments. They will be tough to make in a game like this where the dynamics are so different (as long as we have two wolves alive, even the Nightly kills will not tell us much, if anything).

Looking at the grudges is a nice idea, but it probably has only entertainment value (that should not be underestimated, thoug) and it might steer the voting somewhat. Unfortunately it has about nothing to do with getting the wolves.

Thinking whom Fea might pick as wolves - if and when she has hand picked them with some level of randomness - could be a better approach. But with this entourage, it will be very hard (and thence again, enter randomness).

Then there is the traditional way of looking at peoples posting and looking at them again... Laborous but making the game much fun and challenging. And surely we wish to answer Fea's challenge: can you reason your way out when everything is geared up to maximise the absence of clues?

The first one I came up with concerns Spm. He says:

Did anyone think to enquire whether the Wolves are working as a team or as lone hunters?
I did.

Now Spm might be a thorough player who even as an ordo will think through all possible variations before the game and PM the mod in advance to get clearance for any issues that have been unclear to him.

I do not deny that possibility. But... and but. What it looks like is a person who has been appointed as a wolf and who then had an interest to know as that thought would have easily come into a wolf's mind. And a wolf would need to know it.

I do not say entertaining ideas on what the villains will do is bad for villagers, quite the contrary. But somehow asking via PM that question in advance sounds a bit too exhaustive preparation for an ordo-game.

Why did he speak about it openly then? He would have guessed someone might make note of it as I do here? I don't know... maybe he just wanted to look helpful and thoughtful. Which he is indeed, if he is an ordo!