Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXV: All Star Crossed With Nowhere to Go

[Macalaure]

Lommy, if you don't think you can put people into two groups... then... don't!

Most of your reasons are only based on feelings. A little too much for my taste, especially if you divide the village like that.

About your reasons for Holby: Her suggestion of lynching males only made sense if she is either an innocent or a lover of another female. I don't get your point.

How can you put Rikae in any group?

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Hahaha, if I were you I wouldn't trust your hunches about me, remembering the last game...

I no longer need to.

[Fintaeph]

Well, I started the day with suspicion of Farael and Valier. Holby is also presently on my radar, and I'm willing to be convinced about her. However, I'll look at her later today.

I've just read over the logs, and I don't think I can post anything coherent about Farael that hasn't already been said. He's all over the place. That said, I too, find myself suspecting him less and less. Not sure why. Perhaps he is hypnotizing me. Farael, if you eat me tonight, I hope you get indigestion. :-P

Valier is bugging me, though. She's been saying just enough to appear present, and not really enough to endanger herself (#27, #42, #59). (Okay, you could accuse me of that, too, I guess.) But I can't shake this distrust of her. And as much as it feels totally stupid to put any stock in this, she did post first after last Night, and, I don't know, something felt *off* about the way she said it. I think it's the first line that's bugging me:

Originally Posted by Valier

Are you freakin' kidding me? Five dead people.

We all knew there would probably be four dead by morning, as there were four pairs on the loose. Five isn't that much of a stretch. And two of them *were* evil. "Methinks she doth protest too much." Maybe it felt like that was her way of trying to cover her impatience to post after the carnage she had caused. Gloating, that's it, it kind of felt like she was gloating.

Or I could just be being paranoid.

But then there's that vote yesterday: tit for tat. Seems a strange way to play, especially when a bandwagon was already rolling. It would have been easy to dilute the vote for her by voting for Farael. As it was, her vote for Jenny seemed useless, and her reasons did not seem intended to convince anyone to join her. If Jenny and Valier were a pair, it might make some sense to start a public argument. And yet I don't really find myself distrusting Jenny. So what does it mean?

Anyway, it's not enough on it's own, but it did make a lot of people suspicious of her (Nogrod, mormegil, Macaluare, others?).

Is this enough to get me to vote for her today? I don't know. Maybe. All my suspicions are still pretty nebulous. Other than the one last night, I don't think she's posted toDay. If she does, maybe I'll have more to work from.

I'll try to go over Holby's posts later, and see what I can get from them. For now, it's back to the grind. :-(

[Thinlómien]

All quotes by Mac:

Lommy, if you don't think you can put people into two groups... then... don't!

The main point was trying to help myself hammer into my consciousness that there really are that many evil people here. I don't know about others, but for me it's difficult to grasp; you can always suspect half of the village, but to really know half are evil is a whole different matter.

Most of your reasons are only based on feelings. A little too much for my taste. . .

I'm all too conscious of that. But at this point and with this many baddies around I just lack the evidence and the ability to focus.

About your reasons for Holby: Her suggestion of lynching males only made sense if she is either an innocent or a lover of another female. I don't get your point.

Most probably (and I was thinking mainly about that female-lover thing), but she could always be a cunning lover of a male and propose that anticipating her suggestion would not be agreed with. Or then she's a lover of a male and wanted to play time. The problem with this (and werewolf in general) is that you can never discount any possibility.

How can you put Rikae in any group?

By being suspicious than trusting about most of people. I did not divide the people to ones I turst and ones I distrust and they just didn't happen to both neatly include six persons: my starting point was that there will be six in each category, and the suspicios category just got filled up more quickly, if you understand what I'm trying to say.

I have to vote soon (it's nearing midnight here and I need to go to school early in the morning tomorrow) and I'm now off to reread the thread and think more about all this.

[Holbytlass]

Originally Posted by [B

Lommy[/B]]Holby and other possible mistakers: please don't call Kitanna Kittana, because "kittana" means too small or to short (of a cloth) in Finnish (or actually in a certain Finnish dialect) and it keeps bugging me...

Sorry, must remember to put in one "t".Hhm, maybe you are the werebear/lover that killed Kitanna because she was too small and it bugged you?

i shall not be here for the rest of the evening, come see pink oliphaunts on parade (RL Halloween festivities).

i'm torn between voting for Fareal and Valier. Valier because she already has a vote and i would like to see if ther is anything to the Valier/Jenny squabble.
Fareal, well because it's never fun to be suspected so vehemently by someone with a "first day" hunch. I'm afraid that the only thing that will come of either of our deaths is that we are proven not to be lovers.

On one hand, if Fareal was wicked he could've killed me last night, but on the other it's sometimes easier for a wicked person to hide in the open by going after one person with bulldog tenacity.

++Valier

[Thinlómien]

While rereading I found nothing special, but grew less suspicious of Durelin and more suspicious of Lhuna.

Of Lhuna I can't provide an exact quote, but she kind of fell from the almost trustworthy-category to the not-maybe-evil -category while I reread her triple-post.

Durelin said:

And ooh, there are more votes left than I thought. Things might get more interesting yet...

The fact itself that she says this plus the way she says it somehow make me think that she's probably innocent after all.

A vote to come very soon, not yet sure for who, though...

EDIT: xed with Kath

[Thinlómien]

I keep having my eye on a suspicious gentleman called

++Macalaure

though I feel my case will seem too feeble to others to get him lynched. So, this is more kind of a principle-vote. *sigh*

Of others I considered voting morm too, but he seems a bit less suspicious to me than Mac.

I might have voted Jenny or Valier too if I had heard more of them. Speak up, you two please. This applies Rikae too, of whom I must say is really unfair if she's a baddie.

And I wouldn't be so sad to see Farael or Holby dead either.

Now, it's anyway out of my hands for toDay. Let's hope it's a baddie who dies toDay, otherwise we'll be in a big bad trouble.

Good N/night!

[JennyHallu]

I need to vote...a friend's coming over and I don't know how long she'll be here.


++Holbytlass

She just seems the least like her usual self.

[Kath]

Of Lhuna I can't provide an exact quote, but she kind of fell from the almost trustworthy-category to the not-maybe-evil -category while I reread her triple-post.

There it is! That's what was missing, the famous Lommy flip-flopping. Are we getting a reason for this one?

I'm hopping off for good now. Let's hope we have a better Night of it and wake up to more innocents than evils.

[Macalaure]

Farael -> Holbytlass
Holbytlass -> Valier
Kath -> Farael
Thinlómien -> Macalaure
JennyHallu -> Holbytlass(2)

Five votes for four people already. Keep in mind we have six baddies! The more we spread the votes, the more power we give to them.

It's getting late and I need to vote now. Though I would prefer voting Lommy, I don't want to add another name. I'm less suspicious about Farael and Holby at the moment.

++Valier

Her vote yesterday was strange and she did nothing to make me less suspicious today.

[Fintaeph]

Well, I've gone over Holby's posts, and there is certainly more to talk about than with Valier.

The day one posts seem pretty pointless, to be honest, so I'll just gloss over them. In #13, Holby posted her list of who to suspect, based on their stated occupation. Farael jumps on it and decides he wants her lynched. By the end of the day, several people have voted for Farael for his crusade (Lhuna, Rune, Morm, and Menel), and others have put him on their watch list. Holby gets no votes at all.

Today, things have heated up a bit.

In #72, Holby expresses what could be jury remorse over the lynching of Menel. Before she posts again, Farael posts that he suspects her because she defended herself. I'm happy to report he doesn't seem to have applied the same standard to me. :-)

In #79, Holby suggests the village lynch the males, as there aren't many of us left, and so a disproportionate number of us are likely evil. Feedback on the idea is generally negative. Farael particularly dislikes the idea, and Holby for suggesting it. To be honest, I wasn't particularly happy with the idea myself. :-) General feeling on the idea was that it would be unfair, and not necessarily productive (as it would take too long, seemed to be the gist).

In #87, Holby provides a brief analysis of the previous Day's voting, and the stated reasons for each vote, looking for possible conspiracies between pairs. She suggests Jenny & Valier might be working together.

Finally, a few minutes ago, Holby acts on her suspicion of Valier and votes for her, then signs off for the evening.

Over the course of today, a number of people have expressed doubts about Holby's behaviour. morm, Jenny, and Lhuna, in particular, think she may be acting a bit out of character. As I write this, Holby has two votes, one from Farael, the other from Jenny.


So, what does it all mean? Well, personally, I'm feeling a little wary of her. People who know her think she is acting strangely, and that could be significant. OTOH, I followed that reasoning yesterday, and ended up killing a friend.

Farael's vote does nothing to convince me. If he hadn't voted for her, I'd have lynched him for wasting my time two days in a row. :-)

Jenny's vote was about a gut feeling, but I can't help wonder about Jenny's potential connection to Valier, who I am really beginning to believe is a were creature of some sort.

At present, for me, Holby's behaviour doesn't rise above Farael's for suspiciousness, and I'm seriously considering voting for Valier as a result. As much as the two of them seem destined to be lynched, I can't help but feel it would be at the cost of ignoring a real and present threat.

[Kath]

I think I'm going to have to vote now. It's quite likely that I'll be around later but it's also quite likely that I won't be.

So:

++FARAEL

Why? A number of reasons. One is that having read his posts from yesterDay and toDay I can understand now why others found him so suspicious. He posts as though he had inside knowledge, which since we know that he cannot be the Seer suggests he's not on our side. He attacks, forcing others to take on a defensive posture, and then uses that automatic reaction to push the case further, meaning that's it's not based on the merits of evidence. And, we've spent two Days debating him already. Enough.