Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXV: All Star Crossed With Nowhere to Go

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Farael

And let me start another accusation on flimsy grounds that will cost my neck for sure. Yes, I know he has expressed doubts about me, but does anyone else find morm being alive slightly curious? Unless we are dealing with a group of werecreatures that have never played with him before, out of FOUR kills, no-one thought of getting rid of that mormegil? he's a danger to them if he is an ordo, and he's even more perilious as a lover or a werething.

That is a bad argument. If morm would be suspicious automatically if he survives only one night he would never see the end of a game, which is just unfair. I could see your point if the werethings could work together, but they can't. Four (or three if he's guilty) pairs indepentantly made the decision not to go for morm. Why should opposing couples spare him, even if he is a lover?

Holby, I'm quite male actually.
(Macalaure is Quenya for Maglor)
It's four males and eight females. I doubt there's a male-male-pair given these numbers. But if there's one female-female-pair, then two of four males are guilty and four of eight females are guilty. This makes lynching the males first not a real advantage.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

That is a bad argument. If morm would be suspicious automatically if he survives only one night he would never see the end of a game, which is just unfair. I could see your point if the werethings could work together, but they can't. Four (or three if he's guilty) pairs indepentantly made the decision not to go for morm. Why should opposing couples spare him, even if he is a lover?
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See, the thing is, my argument is based on the fact that the werethings are NOT working together. If he was indeed on one of the three evil teams remaning, the odds of him getting eaten at night decrease. You say, why should opposing couples spare him? I ask, howcome they DID spare him?

And I'm not saying condemn him yet, I'm saying keep an eye on him, because as much as he is a powerfull ally, he is much more of a dangerous enemy.

As for Holby... c'mon, kill all the males? with this ratios Diamond would be rather unwise not to have a few same-sex couples... while I'm not privy to her thoughts, by systematically killing all males we guarantee that a few werethings will survive FOUR days. If they don't kill each other by night, we'll give them a HUGE advantage. Also, systematically doing ANYTHING helps the baddies, as they KNOW what we will do not only on a specific day but also on days to come and they can plan accordingly.

Having said so, I do not hold this alone against Holby, it may look like a good idea and it has been proposed before.

But it does add up to my existing doubts about her... after all, she IS a her.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Farael

See, the thing is, my argument is based on the fact that the werethings are NOT working together. If he was indeed on one of the three evil teams remaning, the odds of him getting eaten at night decrease. You say, why should opposing couples spare him? I ask, howcome they DID spare him?

Three or four doesn't alter the chances dramatically. Maybe they were afraid the ranger would protect him. Look at the kills: arctic, Kitanna, Rune and Nogrod. Except Nogrod, those weren't especially daring picks.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Three or four doesn't alter the chances dramatically. Maybe they were afraid the ranger would protect him. Look at the kills: arctic, Kitanna, Rune and Nogrod. Except Nogrod, those weren't especially daring picks.

I concede there, you have a point that the other picks weren't too daring, but I still think that otherwise it may have made enough of a difference.

I admit, it's an unfair statement to say "he's alive, he's too smart to be alive, so kill him" but at times it MAY just be true.

This place is dead and I may have to vote soon...

[mormegil]

This has always been an unfortunate stigma that some have such as SpM and I. I've never enjoyed it but I will play through it.

Farael, I still hold you guilty but think you may be onto something with Holby. I know her well and sense and perceive some cracks in her behavior that indicate that she is guilty. If I have time I will look back over her posts myself.

[JennyHallu]

I'm sorry, Holby, but you misunderstood the reason for my vote. I did not vote for Valier for any reason other than random vote. The 'speechless' thing comes from her phrasing at the beginning of her first post. It was a joke.

[Fintaeph]

I'm at RL work, so I only have a quick moment to post. Something I'm wondering about is that we seem to be focussing on only a few people: Farael and Holby and morm (did I miss anyone?). Nothing here today has really changed my suspicion of Farael (he's still as hard to pin down as ever), and while I'm starting to be infected by the general distrust around Holby, I think I'm mostly taking other people's opinions for it, nothing of my own. I still get nothing from morm. I guess what I'm saying is that the discussion seems to be going in circles, and it's the same circles as Day 1. Is this normal for Day 2? What about the other 9 people (myself included, of course)?

I'm not sure what I'm looking for, but I'm getting this feeling like I have blinders on, and am being led around. I don't much like it. I am alone here?