WWJ XII: "Oh the tangled web we weave..." - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Kitanna · 10-12-2006, 01:39 PM

Ok, I'm rereading the whole Ranger debate of the rules. It pretty much started with this:

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So just to mention this. Please Ranger! Stay calm, avoid being picked by the thingies and pick wisely yourself! You are our greatest asset in this game! The Seer and the Weaver will have valuable knowledge, but it will be transient and thence unsure as the status of people here will change. But the Ranger practically kills a thing with every save s/he makes! So we can lynch the things during the Days but the Ranger may also effectively "kill" them during the Nights (by not allowing the next one to transform)!

Suspicous, sure, but this is behavior normal of innocent and guilty Nogrod. I mean telling the gifted how to act.
I think the stranger thing was Nogrod really started to suspect Jenny for getting the rules right. If Nogrod was trying to bait the Ranger, I don't think that convicts Jenny. I knew what the rules were and had I been around I would have acted the same as Jenny, and I'm sure other villagers would have too. Jenny just happened to be the one who corrected Nogrod.
We should be wary with this. A lot of stock is being put into the whole Ranger debate and that could prove to be very dangerous.

Volo · 10-12-2006, 01:49 PM

Well, I'm really sorry for myself if I'm wrong, but now from talk to deeds.

++Nogrod

The theater took longer than I thought...

JennyHallu · 10-12-2006, 01:51 PM

Here's a vote:

++Glirdan

This may change, but for now I've got a random choice among the silent and near-silent villagers.

I mean really, who's spoken today?

Kitanna,
Me,
Volo,
Menel,
Mac,
Rune,
Rikae,
Eonwe

And Eonwe is still a near-silent. *sigh* This is the best I've got so far.

JennyHallu · 10-12-2006, 01:52 PM

Double posting..

It's not totally random, it's the only one Folwren mentioned twice in her "I'd like to hear more" lists.

Eonwe · 10-12-2006, 02:47 PM

Well, perhaps I can amend that, Miss Hallu!!

This certainly is a prolific village, even if I'm not...

So what we're saying is that Flowren was a Thing, and now the Ranger has been infested by a Thing? Hmmm...

About yesterday's Ranger debate. It is indeed very intersting and probobly pretty helpful that it happened. I personally feal good about Jenny and Mac. They just seems very objective and rational about it. But then again, that is the best way for a Thing to hide: you cannot ever see past people when they are saying smart things, can you? And I agree with Mac, that Nogrod was prolly not the ranger. What would he stand to gain? Why not just PM Valier about it primately?

Rikae · 10-12-2006, 03:23 PM

Well, I'm back.

I must say, I suspected Nogrod of being either an old or new thing this morning, and after reading the posts, I'm inclined to go with my original instincts. Nogrod, it seems to me, practically ran around screaming “I'm gifted!” yesterday, which is strange enough by itself, but added to the fact that yesterday's ranger is today's new thing, is pretty condemning.

He made that giftedish post about us knowing the truth today (which only told us he know a gifted would be attacked last night).

He also posted this strangeness:

“*my keyboard suddenly started acting in it\s own way and I will have to close the thing to get it working normally again... if that is possible*...it is not only that Jenny knew the rules, there was much other things more pressing than that”

the following could be taken at face value, or seen as another ranger hint:

“I'm a bit worried about my operation I might not get to sleep so easily”

Now, maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it looks like he's trying to tell us he's the Ranger and Jenny is a thing...which may very well mean that Nogrod was a thing and Jenny was innocent.

I see these possibilities:

1. Nogrod was a thing and was bluffing with this stuff – therefore, lynch Nogrod

2. Nogrod was the ranger, and so is now a thing – therefore, we should lynch hum

3. Nogrod was the seer or weaver, and expected to be attacked during the night – therefore, we shouldn't lynch him

4. Nogrod is an innocent sacrificing himself to protect the gifteds – in which case, we're better off lynching a thing, but better off lynching Nogrod than accidentally lynching the seer or weaver.

As far as #3 goes, It seems unlikely that the real seer or weaver would expose himself like that on Day One, and if he did, that the things wouldn't attack him that night.

Regarding everybody else's posts:

Volo and Mac made sensible arguments & I agree with them. Like I said yesterday, Mac looks pretty innocent to me at this point, and Volo still seems to be acting strangely, but I can't come to any definite conclusion about him.

Our silent players (Gil, Naria, Eonwe and Glirdan): I'm tempted to lynch one of them, both out of fear of a thing flying under the radar and to keep the contributing players in the game, but on second thought, the death of a silent player won't give us any real leads, regardless of whether they are proven guilty or innocent. The death of someone who has been active will at least give us a trail to follow.

Jenny: Already looked suspicious because of the whole Nogrod situation, and nothing she's said so far has made her seem less so.

Kitanna: Her suspicion of Menel and Naria due to vote placement seems logical, but I think we have stronger leads at this point. Kitanna seems to want to shift the focus away from Nogrod. This especially looks like a strange thing to say, regarding Jenny and Nogrod: “I think if one is a Thing, the other is not. I form that opinion mostly because of the Ranger debate from yesterday” is an odd thing to say, indeed, considering that things are different today than yesterday in any event. She doesn't seem to have a logical reason for the assumption that Jenny and Nogrod are not linked. If Nogrod turns out to be a thing, I will definitely be more suspicious of Kitanna

Menel- seems to be acting differently today (and I miss the in-character posts!) - he now suspects Mac and is less suspicious of Jenny? Why? Perhaps Menel is not himself toDay? He also said “I can't find anything especially revealing about last Night's death.”, which is very odd indeed, knowing the ranger was attacked seems pretty “revealing” to me. .

As it stands, I'll probably vote for Nogrod tonight, but I'm holding off for now so I can take as much of today's discussion into account as possible.

Macalaure · 10-12-2006, 04:06 PM

It's getting late around here, so here's my vote.

I don't think Nogrod's the seer/weaver. If he was, he would have laid low (not giving hints and acting like an ordo) until he knew something of substance. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't act that nervous and anxious about his lynch.

Jenny or Menel would be my alternatives to voting Nogrod, but I don't feel so clearly about them as I do about Nogrod. Especially now that the village is quite silent, it's awful to get rid of somebody as lively as him.

*sigh*

++Nogrod

Another alternative would be lynching a quiet one, but that would be the ultimate shot into the dark, and I doubt there's more than one thing among them.

Meneltarmacil · 10-12-2006, 04:22 PM

Arrr, seems like I be a little suspicious today, eh? I must say, I wasn't expecting a mutiny out of ye...

My main suspects be Nogrod and JennyHallu. Nogrod because of his shifting suspicions, omission of me voting reasons, and the whole business with the Ranger-baiting. 'Course, his post about how the Night's death would reveal something be a little odd no matter how ye look at him, Thing or no...

JennyHallu, though, be another matter. She could well be the Ranger-turned-Thing, but then again she may not. Or she could have been a Thing from the beginning, as I found her pretty suspicious yesterDay. Either way, I be planning on making Nogrod walk the plank toDay before reaching a decision on her.

Macalaure, matey, the pirate talk needn't concern ye, as it be an in-character thing. I've explained me vote enough already, and I be fairly suspicious of both Jenny and Nogrod (the latter more so). Avast ye!

10-12-2006, 01:49 PM	#2
Volo Silver in My Silent Heart Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the great beauty Posts: 1,611	Well, I'm really sorry for myself if I'm wrong, but now from talk to deeds. ++Nogrod The theater took longer than I thought... __________________ Fenris Wolf The EVEN NEWER Barrow-Downs Photo Page

10-12-2006, 01:52 PM	#4
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Double posting.. It's not totally random, it's the only one Folwren mentioned twice in her "I'd like to hear more" lists. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

10-12-2006, 02:47 PM	#5
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	Well, perhaps I can amend that, Miss Hallu!! This certainly is a prolific village, even if I'm not... So what we're saying is that Flowren was a Thing, and now the Ranger has been infested by a Thing? Hmmm... About yesterday's Ranger debate. It is indeed very intersting and probobly pretty helpful that it happened. I personally feal good about Jenny and Mac. They just seems very objective and rational about it. But then again, that is the best way for a Thing to hide: you cannot ever see past people when they are saying smart things, can you? And I agree with Mac, that Nogrod was prolly not the ranger. What would he stand to gain? Why not just PM Valier about it primately? __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!

10-12-2006, 03:23 PM	#6
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Well, I'm back. I must say, I suspected Nogrod of being either an old or new thing this morning, and after reading the posts, I'm inclined to go with my original instincts. Nogrod, it seems to me, practically ran around screaming “I'm gifted!” yesterday, which is strange enough by itself, but added to the fact that yesterday's ranger is today's new thing, is pretty condemning. He made that giftedish post about us knowing the truth today (which only told us he know a gifted would be attacked last night). He also posted this strangeness: “my keyboard suddenly started acting in it\s own way and I will have to close the thing* to get it working normally again... if that is possible...it is not only that Jenny knew the rules, there was much other things more pressing* than that” the following could be taken at face value, or seen as another ranger hint: “I'm a bit worried about my operation I might not get to sleep so easily” Now, maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it looks like he's trying to tell us he's the Ranger and Jenny is a thing...which may very well mean that Nogrod was a thing and Jenny was innocent. I see these possibilities: 1. Nogrod was a thing and was bluffing with this stuff – therefore, lynch Nogrod 2. Nogrod was the ranger, and so is now a thing – therefore, we should lynch hum 3. Nogrod was the seer or weaver, and expected to be attacked during the night – therefore, we shouldn't lynch him 4. Nogrod is an innocent sacrificing himself to protect the gifteds – in which case, we're better off lynching a thing, but better off lynching Nogrod than accidentally lynching the seer or weaver. As far as #3 goes, It seems unlikely that the real seer or weaver would expose himself like that on Day One, and if he did, that the things wouldn't attack him that night. Regarding everybody else's posts: Volo and Mac made sensible arguments & I agree with them. Like I said yesterday, Mac looks pretty innocent to me at this point, and Volo still seems to be acting strangely, but I can't come to any definite conclusion about him. Our silent players (Gil, Naria, Eonwe and Glirdan): I'm tempted to lynch one of them, both out of fear of a thing flying under the radar and to keep the contributing players in the game, but on second thought, the death of a silent player won't give us any real leads, regardless of whether they are proven guilty or innocent. The death of someone who has been active will at least give us a trail to follow. Jenny: Already looked suspicious because of the whole Nogrod situation, and nothing she's said so far has made her seem less so. Kitanna: Her suspicion of Menel and Naria due to vote placement seems logical, but I think we have stronger leads at this point. Kitanna seems to want to shift the focus away from Nogrod. This especially looks like a strange thing to say, regarding Jenny and Nogrod: “I think if one is a Thing, the other is not. I form that opinion mostly because of the Ranger debate from yesterday” is an odd thing to say, indeed, considering that things are different today than yesterday in any event. She doesn't seem to have a logical reason for the assumption that Jenny and Nogrod are not linked. If Nogrod turns out to be a thing, I will definitely be more suspicious of Kitanna Menel- seems to be acting differently today (and I miss the in-character posts!) - he now suspects Mac and is less suspicious of Jenny? Why? Perhaps Menel is not himself toDay? He also said “I can't find anything especially revealing about last Night's death.”, which is very odd indeed, knowing the ranger was attacked seems pretty “revealing” to me. . As it stands, I'll probably vote for Nogrod tonight, but I'm holding off for now so I can take as much of today's discussion into account as possible. Last edited by Rikae; 10-12-2006 at 03:31 PM. Reason: typos

10-12-2006, 04:22 PM	#8
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	Arrr, seems like I be a little suspicious today, eh? I must say, I wasn't expecting a mutiny out of ye... My main suspects be Nogrod and JennyHallu. Nogrod because of his shifting suspicions, omission of me voting reasons, and the whole business with the Ranger-baiting. 'Course, his post about how the Night's death would reveal something be a little odd no matter how ye look at him, Thing or no... JennyHallu, though, be another matter. She could well be the Ranger-turned-Thing, but then again she may not. Or she could have been a Thing from the beginning, as I found her pretty suspicious yesterDay. Either way, I be planning on making Nogrod walk the plank toDay before reaching a decision on her. Macalaure, matey, the pirate talk needn't concern ye, as it be an in-character thing. I've explained me vote enough already, and I be fairly suspicious of both Jenny and Nogrod (the latter more so). Avast ye! __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

10-12-2006, 01:51 PM	#3
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Here's a vote: ++Glirdan This may change, but for now I've got a random choice among the silent and near-silent villagers. I mean really, who's spoken today? Kitanna, Me, Volo, Menel, Mac, Rune, Rikae, Eonwe And Eonwe is still a near-silent. sigh This is the best I've got so far. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

10-12-2006, 04:06 PM	#7
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	It's getting late around here, so here's my vote. I don't think Nogrod's the seer/weaver. If he was, he would have laid low (not giving hints and acting like an ordo) until he knew something of substance. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't act that nervous and anxious about his lynch. Jenny or Menel would be my alternatives to voting Nogrod, but I don't feel so clearly about them as I do about Nogrod. Especially now that the village is quite silent, it's awful to get rid of somebody as lively as him. sigh ++Nogrod Another alternative would be lynching a quiet one, but that would be the ultimate shot into the dark, and I doubt there's more than one thing among them.