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narfforc · 09-13-2006, 09:53 AM

Yes I think that you are right Aiwendil, Tolkien fails to give us the real Celeborn in LotR. I am not saying Celeborn we get is without fault, this can be seen in his rebuffle of Gimli and his second guessing of Gandalfs reasonings, what I am saying is that we don't see the Celeborn of History, The Great Warrior-lord and leader that he is, and I think this is mainly because all eyes have been drawn towards a ring. If the historical Celeborn is shown, then it is in the older tales before any rings are made, and we can only see that now, many years after LotR was first published, furthermore at what point did this historical Celeborn come into existance:

1. Was Celeborn already in the mind of Tolkien before LotR was published

2. Is the Celeborn of Sil/UT a storyline added after Tolkien included him in LotR.

Tolkien continued to work on The Silmarillion after LotR so this could be possible.

Cross posted with Boromir88.

P.S Yes they say love is blind Boromir88

09-13-2006, 09:53 AM	#24
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	Yes I think that you are right Aiwendil, Tolkien fails to give us the real Celeborn in LotR. I am not saying Celeborn we get is without fault, this can be seen in his rebuffle of Gimli and his second guessing of Gandalfs reasonings, what I am saying is that we don't see the Celeborn of History, The Great Warrior-lord and leader that he is, and I think this is mainly because all eyes have been drawn towards a ring. If the historical Celeborn is shown, then it is in the older tales before any rings are made, and we can only see that now, many years after LotR was first published, furthermore at what point did this historical Celeborn come into existance: 1. Was Celeborn already in the mind of Tolkien before LotR was published 2. Is the Celeborn of Sil/UT a storyline added after Tolkien included him in LotR. Tolkien continued to work on The Silmarillion after LotR so this could be possible. Cross posted with Boromir88. P.S Yes they say love is blind Boromir88 __________________ [B]THE LORD OF THE GRINS:THE ONE PARODY....A PARODY BETTER THAN THE RINGS OF POWER. Last edited by narfforc; 09-13-2006 at 10:01 AM.