Gandalf Vs. The Witch King

[The 1,000 Reader]

Originally Posted by alatar

We can now finally answer the question posed by this thread. The new The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II video game website has both Gandalf the White and the Witch-King on the Fellbeast. Each character is modeled as in the PJ films. If someone or persons would like to pitch in, buy and send me the game, I will volunteer my scientific background to put this question to the test.

A HD monitor (23" or greater) may yield more convincing results .

Using a game franchise in which Gandalf was once practically Eru on Arda and the Witch-King is about to get an expansion which will give him the ability to summon enormous spiritual werewolves and destroy entire armies with it does not answer anything involving Tolkien's work.

I can see it now; Gandalf will be riding a tidal wave and lifting up rocks with his mind while shouting "I am God!" On the other side of the battle field, the Witch-King will be flying through the air (without a fell beast) shooting lightning from his hands shouting "Power! Unlimited power!" Overblown Gandalf and Super Sidious to be do not account for Regular Gandalf and Regular Witch-King.

Overall, Tolkien does nothing to suggest that any warrior is stronger than the other in the showdown at the gate. Gandalf has been grim regarding the possible fight, and the Witch-King shows no fear of Gandalf at the gate. Gandalf may be a maia, but the book shows that he's probably thinking "This guy might kick my butt" at the gate.

In the end, they didn't fight, so there's no need to look at this confrontation with a telescope in the books. As for the movie, that was a, so to speak, "badass-proving moment." (Yes, I know, you don't like swears, but I'm making a point here.) Overall, that scene was pretty much just to create an "Oh snap" moment for Gandalf fanatics who bought the EE.

[The Saucepan Man]

A light-hearted aside concerning computer games does not constitute an off-topic discussion.

Were the thread to descend into a full-blown discusion of the games, then it would have veered off-topic, but that has not happened here.

Best leave the modding to the mods, Mansun.

And can everyone please remember to keep the discussion polite and courteous.

Thanks.

[The 1,000 Reader]

I've noticed that many fans (even here) seem to forget that when Gandalf told the Witch-King to go away, the Witch-King laughed in his face, called him a fool, and drew his sword. Rohan wasn't an excuse for the Witch-King to run, Rohan was an interruption in the battle. The Witch-King left to support and save his army, and Gandalf wanted to make chase so that the Witch-King wouldn't do what Gandalf was trying to prevent, said deed being protecting and leading the army. The Witch-King did not cower out. Aragorn, Legolas, Faramir, etc would all have done the same thing if enemy reinforcements arrived, causing panic within the troops.

[Essex]

excellent points on your last two posts, 1,000th reader

to repeat myself for the 1,000th time, there is no evidence, one way or the other to state whom is stronger than who in the aforesaid battle, except for circumstantial evidence.

and the end result was the same in both book and movie. the battle was finished by the horns of the rohirrim who came to save the day. the only difference was that gandalf was prone on the floor in the movie - a point I finally conceded about 6 months or so ago on this thread if I can remember correctly.

I was just glad to get somtething akin to the book in the EE edition of this movie, even though parts were different.

PS - Come the World War III, with a few of us lucky (or unlucky) ones sitting in our nuclear bunkers or under a mountain, we will still be here arguing whether Gandalf was stronger than the Witch King............

[The 1,000 Reader]

Originally Posted by Essex

excellent points on your last two posts, 1,000th reader.

Thanks. It's nice to have people compliment you to your face instead of with a rep.

Originally Posted by Essex

PS - Come the World War III, with a few of us lucky (or unlucky) ones sitting in our nuclear bunkers or under a mountain, we will still be here arguing whether Gandalf was stronger than the Witch King............

There'll be more things than that. We'll have robotic-like fans, good guy (and bad guy) zealots, weirdos that hate the movies simply because they're movies, people who don't realize how demeaning it is for Sauron to lose to a dog, people who still debate power level stuff as if this was DBZ, etc. Like any fanbase, Tolkien's works have the rabid packs as well.

[narfforc]

If anyone could kindly read post #262 of this thread they will see that right from the off I said the games were not an answer to this question. At the time I was responding in a light-hearted manner to a fellow Downer, on a thread subject that was stagnant, and I still think has blown its fuse. Once again I apologise for the 3 or 4 replies out of the 270 odd.


P.S Why did it take nearly five months to figure out that our posts were irrelevant, maybe because the thread was nearly as dead as The Witch-king.