Abduction in Edoras Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

JennyHallu · 07-17-2006, 07:01 AM

Caught up...

I don't think I could make Torim wait any longer. As long as I wait with Torim, there is almost nothing to do for half the party.

I also don't think that hiding behind the story of Gurth being the person in the wagon would work, as Torim saw Lin being pulled out of the wagon.

But I like the idea of Sorn catching wind of the discovery, for whatever reason, and running. Whether to a place where there might be a seige, or instigating a cross-country chase, that could both prolong a story line I perhaps over-estimated, and add an element of adventure that is taking a long time in developing.

The question, of course, is why does he not murder Lin as soon as he realizes no ransom is forthcoming?

Well, I think current events have shown that terrorists do not necessarily kill their captives when it becomes apparent their demands will not be met. Often they do, but that young American journalist was released and reunited with her family.

I think Lin's saving grace might actually be that Sorn is insane: he cannot be expected to act logically.

Taralphiel · 07-18-2006, 03:11 AM

Unfortunately, while running seems to be what is favoured, I really can't imagine Sorn doing that. He'd sooner end Lin's life on principle...and possibly even his own. Like you say, Jenny, he's insane

So, what other options do we have? I'm mulling over it, but any suggestions are very much appreciated.

- Tara

JennyHallu · 07-18-2006, 05:37 AM

What if he had some sort of hidey-hole planned from the beginning? Just throwing things out there...I'm a little lost as for ideas.

littlemanpoet · 07-18-2006, 09:02 AM

Or if the Sorn plot winds down before three weeks are up, could Scyld sort of take Linduial into his own hands and try for the ransom Sorn wanted?

Folwren · 07-18-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Or if the Sorn plot winds down before three weeks are up, could Scyld sort of take Linduial into his own hands and try for the ransom Sorn wanted?

Oh, poor Skyld!! I would feel SO sorry for him if he did that!

-- Folwren

Firefoot · 07-18-2006, 09:56 AM

I don't think Scyld would. He's pretty much figured out by now (even if he won't admit it) that his best bet is going to be to throw his lot in with Linduial. He's also smart enough to know that if ransom money hasn't come yet, it won't. He and Linduial had worked that out (if rather uncoopertively

) in the first days.

I'm playing over scenarios in my mind, and nothing's fitting. I don't even know where Scyld would go with Lindiual if he did run away with her (say, because Sorn wants to kill her after hearing of the rescue party - except I think Scyld would be more likely to just kill Sorn than run away); he doesn't have a home somewhere, he can't go to Edoras and or Dol Amroth and Minas Tirith wouldn't be too hot of an idea either. He's not exactly the sort to go hiking up into the mountains. Bree? That seems about as likely a destination as any, I suppose.

But I really don't know what would happen if Sorn were to end up dead before the rescue party got there. That would be a really weird position for Scyld - what's he supposed to do with Linduial? Just letting her go won't seem just right, but he's not going to run off with her either. And when the rescue party gets there - "oh yeah, she's down in the cellar, let me get her for you"? I don't know. This would be rather anticlimactic however you look at it - Scyld isn't so dumb to fight a whole rescue party, and he wouldn't have any good reason to hold Linduial against them.

I don't know. Unless some of this sparks an idea?

JennyHallu · 07-18-2006, 10:11 AM

FACTS:

There is no reason to continue to delay the rescue attempt. They know it's Sorn.
Sorn is loopy. Criminally insane. Has evil monologues.
No one trusts Sorn, even his own men.
We seem to be completely forgetting Osfrid and Muriel. Alcarillo, where do you stand with those characters, and what do you have planned for them?
Scyld trusts no one, including Linduial. He is aware his best chance is with her, but does not trust her offer.

Folwren · 07-18-2006, 10:19 AM

Firefoot - why can't Skyld go to Edoras? It would do him tons of good to just go and own up. They might even have mercy on him if he delivers Lin.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 07-18-2006, 10:22 AM

A day shall come when I give a truly evil monologue... maybe even several... I'm rather jealous of Sorn, to be honest. Monologues rock. He's more fun than even Pigle-- I mean Hamlet.

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Okay... Here are things as I see them:

Sorn has Lin.

The party knows that Sorn has Lin.

We need time in between the party getting to Sorn and Lin without Lin's life ending abruptly.

Does Sorn necessarily know that a party is on its way? Is it possible that he could have some sort of bitter monologue about how servants are not to be trusted and the ransom note must not have even made it to Edoras and he ought to kill a servant to prove the point? You know... something lovely like that showing that Lin's got a bit more time to live because Sorn's going to send another note? Or something?

That gives the search party a window of opportunity in which to be unavoidably detained during which their writers won't have to worry about Lin suddenly dying in the mean time.

...

*thinking aloud*

07-17-2006, 07:01 AM	#1
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Caught up... I don't think I could make Torim wait any longer. As long as I wait with Torim, there is almost nothing to do for half the party. I also don't think that hiding behind the story of Gurth being the person in the wagon would work, as Torim saw Lin being pulled out of the wagon. But I like the idea of Sorn catching wind of the discovery, for whatever reason, and running. Whether to a place where there might be a seige, or instigating a cross-country chase, that could both prolong a story line I perhaps over-estimated, and add an element of adventure that is taking a long time in developing. The question, of course, is why does he not murder Lin as soon as he realizes no ransom is forthcoming? Well, I think current events have shown that terrorists do not necessarily kill their captives when it becomes apparent their demands will not be met. Often they do, but that young American journalist was released and reunited with her family. I think Lin's saving grace might actually be that Sorn is insane: he cannot be expected to act logically. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

07-18-2006, 05:37 AM	#3
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	What if he had some sort of hidey-hole planned from the beginning? Just throwing things out there...I'm a little lost as for ideas. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

07-18-2006, 10:11 AM	#7
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	FACTS: There is no reason to continue to delay the rescue attempt. They know it's Sorn. Sorn is loopy. Criminally insane. Has evil monologues. No one trusts Sorn, even his own men. We seem to be completely forgetting Osfrid and Muriel. Alcarillo, where do you stand with those characters, and what do you have planned for them? Scyld trusts no one, including Linduial. He is aware his best chance is with her, but does not trust her offer. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

07-18-2006, 10:19 AM	#8
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Firefoot - why can't Skyld go to Edoras? It would do him tons of good to just go and own up. They might even have mercy on him if he delivers Lin. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

07-18-2006, 10:22 AM	#9
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	A day shall come when I give a truly evil monologue... maybe even several... I'm rather jealous of Sorn, to be honest. Monologues rock. He's more fun than even Pigle-- I mean Hamlet. ---------------------- Okay... Here are things as I see them: Sorn has Lin. The party knows that Sorn has Lin. We need time in between the party getting to Sorn and Lin without Lin's life ending abruptly. Does Sorn necessarily know that a party is on its way? Is it possible that he could have some sort of bitter monologue about how servants are not to be trusted and the ransom note must not have even made it to Edoras and he ought to kill a servant to prove the point? You know... something lovely like that showing that Lin's got a bit more time to live because Sorn's going to send another note? Or something? That gives the search party a window of opportunity in which to be unavoidably detained during which their writers won't have to worry about Lin suddenly dying in the mean time. ... thinking aloud __________________ peace

07-18-2006, 03:11 AM	#2
Taralphiel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Swan Wood Posts: 649	Unfortunately, while running seems to be what is favoured, I really can't imagine Sorn doing that. He'd sooner end Lin's life on principle...and possibly even his own. Like you say, Jenny, he's insane So, what other options do we have? I'm mulling over it, but any suggestions are very much appreciated. - Tara

07-18-2006, 09:02 AM	#4
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Or if the Sorn plot winds down before three weeks are up, could Scyld sort of take Linduial into his own hands and try for the ransom Sorn wanted?

07-18-2006, 09:56 AM	#6
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I don't think Scyld would. He's pretty much figured out by now (even if he won't admit it) that his best bet is going to be to throw his lot in with Linduial. He's also smart enough to know that if ransom money hasn't come yet, it won't. He and Linduial had worked that out (if rather uncoopertively ) in the first days. I'm playing over scenarios in my mind, and nothing's fitting. I don't even know where Scyld would go with Lindiual if he did run away with her (say, because Sorn wants to kill her after hearing of the rescue party - except I think Scyld would be more likely to just kill Sorn than run away); he doesn't have a home somewhere, he can't go to Edoras and or Dol Amroth and Minas Tirith wouldn't be too hot of an idea either. He's not exactly the sort to go hiking up into the mountains. Bree? That seems about as likely a destination as any, I suppose. But I really don't know what would happen if Sorn were to end up dead before the rescue party got there. That would be a really weird position for Scyld - what's he supposed to do with Linduial? Just letting her go won't seem just right, but he's not going to run off with her either. And when the rescue party gets there - "oh yeah, she's down in the cellar, let me get her for you"? I don't know. This would be rather anticlimactic however you look at it - Scyld isn't so dumb to fight a whole rescue party, and he wouldn't have any good reason to hold Linduial against them. I don't know. Unless some of this sparks an idea?