Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Well, as I said before, you don't have to participate in the post game talk if you don't want to. There's nothing wrong with that. But you have to concede that there are some players who enjoy it. Recapitulation accompanied with a little analysis of why the game went the way it did is a lot of fun, too. It has nothing to do with grading people's games. Far from it.

The talk after Valesse's game went wrong, one cannot deny that. Banning it now is too harsh a measure to me. (Warning: lame analogy ahead!) The child fell from the apple tree. Do you forbid it to climb again? No, you just tell it to be more careful the next time.

If someone criticises you, either directly or indirectly, (and to use an analogy from my grim teaching days Offsted were not allowed to name individual teachers only subject areas - however if as in my case you were the only teacher of a subject...how "impersonal" is that?) then your choice is compromised. I can choose whether or not to comment on others but if someone attacks me I am obliged to defend myself or put up with the aggrievement - which is not psychologically healthy.

As a liberal I am not generally into banning anything but my liberalism is in combination with (or perhaps the product of..)an old fashioned British upbringing that expects you to be a good loser (and that doesn't mean you like losing) and magnanimous in victory. I would hope players would be largely self regulating. If this is not possible and since there are inevitably different perspectives of what is acceptable in a diverse community such as ours then you need to set up a regulatory system.

My game is rugby. I played for my university and we played hard and to win -but it is a game where people get hurt very badly if players lose self control and break the rules. In the heat of the moment you can get carried away which is why strong refereeing is necessary. It isn't generally necessary during post match parties.

So Mac, I would certainly let the child climb the tree but I would stop its siblings from carping, crowing and generally destroying its self-esteem. Having been the one who fell the child is acutely aware of their failure and don't need their nose rubbed in it.

I do think that courtesy to mods is something that should be borne in mind. It isn't easy. I do recommend the use of a dedicated admin thread. I found it helpful.

Although it isn't my choice to do so for my own games, I have no objection to the grimoire in its original form as a record of games. It has lost much of its usefulness, I fee,l with people repeatedly posting updated personal stats in a new post.

I would suggest that if people wish to publicise their personal record a new thread is created. They make ONE post and update it after each game. The original thread should then be cleansed to leave game stats only. You then have 2 useful threads in which it is much easier to find information.

Edit. Can I go at the end of the modding list. We should be ready by then.

[Holbytlass]

I do not wish to see the postgame talk banned. I liken it to watching 'behind-the-scenes' of movie making. It's fun to read why the wolves killed whom they did, where players were coming from or why mistakes were made (my abysmal understanding of the tied rule comes to mind ).

I understand where some would want to talk and get to concrete resolutions for doing better in the future but in a way it is futile because the next game is different with different players and having different roles. We each can just do our best.

As a werewolf player that's all I've got to say.

[Valesse]

Oh my goodness! I was away all week teaching Vacation Bible School and had no idea any of this went on! How embarassing!

It might not be the most intelligent or original, but there is something to be said about redundency.

1) Post-discussion, as I see it, is more a place to washing your hands after making somewhat harder comments during the game. Like in real life, if you're finding yourself getting irritated with something you don't have to respond. I've said somethings I didn't understand to be as harsh as they were to one of my peers, and from that have come to understand the other side of the pond just a little better.

2) Werewolf is not about honor, either. Lets not forget that the entire point of the game is for a select few to trick people! If we're get hung up on our pointed noses, then it's time to fix something, and I'm not just talking about plastic surgery.

3) There are some remarkibly talented players in this forum who I'd love to continue playing with. It is a delightful game, after all, and most of us agree on at least that. All I have to add is: Play like you're seven, and your mother is watching... we should have no problems.

4) My thread was a WW Jr. ... The 'professionalism' in those games should be not be automatically expected to be on the same level as the original series. The point is to nurture, not to snub.

Thank you, everyone, for your kind words about my game. My jaw nearly hit the floor when I first read what happened, and this makes me feel much better.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I'll have the admin thread for my game up tomorrow (15th) and I'll also talk to the three aplicants for sub-mod and see which one would go best with what I have planned.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I'd like to get back into the werewolf games myself (it's been way too long) but sadly I'm going to be leaving for a vacation on July 25th and will not be back until early August. If it's okay with Sleepy, I'd like to join, but if not, I understand.

This seems to be the busiest summer I've ever had...

[Sleepy Ranger]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Well, I'd like to get back into the werewolf games myself (it's been way too long) but sadly I'm going to be leaving for a vacation on July 25th and will not be back until early August. If it's okay with Sleepy, I'd like to join, but if not, I understand.

This seems to be the busiest summer I've ever had...

Welcome aboard, I dont plan to start till after Glirdan's game anyway.

[Glirdan]

Okay. There's only one problem with that....I DON'T HAVE ANY PLAYERS!!! So, please guys, come join the game so we can get this party started again. Forget all the animosity and have fun again. That's all I have to say.