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Formendacil · 07-08-2006, 12:38 PM

Allow me to courteously disagree with all the agreers here... and to agree with Anguirel. I hate that scene... almost as much as the "bedroom" (to put an inappropiate innuendo on it) scene. It feels, as Anguirel said, rather "superfluous, anakronistic, and pseudo-democratic". None of which is complimentary, by the way.

On the other hand, I have to agree with MatthewM that Eowyn and Merry's battle-cry agrees with me... Generally, when going into battle, a battle-cry is to be expected.

Though precisely what it has to do with the bowing topic... I'm not sure.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 07-12-2006, 10:07 AM

I don't like the scene, but it is because I find it very unconvinsing. It seems fake! It is one of those scenes that are supposed to be realy touching, but all it does for me is make me want to vomit.

MatthewM · 07-12-2006, 03:03 PM

Just to add, I actually liked the scene. I thought it was moving and showed full development of friendship between the hobbits and Aragorn.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 07-12-2006, 03:14 PM

I just want to add, that I like the intend of the scene, but I just don't think that they make it work.

MatthewM · 07-12-2006, 05:06 PM

I think it works, but everyone is going to have their own opinion. I love the whole coronation scene.

Elladan and Elrohir · 07-15-2006, 11:52 AM

It's a beautiful moment, capped perfectly by Howard Shore's score stringing the Shire theme. I don't cry at movies, but that's the first time ever where I wanted to.

I agree that Merry and Pippin shouldn't be placed on the same level as Frodo and Sam, but you have to admit that, in both the book and the movie, the Quest likely would have failed without them. Or at the least, Minas Tirith would have fallen. But that's another thread for another time.

Gurthang · 07-15-2006, 12:19 PM

Well, I rather liked the scene. Actually, I liked it quite a bit. Except for Pippin's face. I always laugh at that, because it's the funniest possible face for that serious moment.

Which means it's rather out of place in the scene.

But I really liked the scene, mainly because it shows that Aragorn, who had just been crowned King, was still the noble, humble person they had come to know. I think it fits better with his character to give credit to others when it is due. He himself did deserve a lot of credit, which he received (he was just crowned King after all!), but he makes sure that the other key players are not left out.

The fact that Merry and Pippin are left in the shot was good, too. It says to me that, even though they were forced apart and went down different paths, they (the four) are still the closest friends through it all. Very touching indeed.

Also, I think it's very fitting that the hobbits get their moment to "stand above" everyone else before "shrinking" back into memory and legend.

Beanamir of Gondor · 07-27-2006, 09:26 AM

A reason I liked this scene was because I also felt a little bit of Sam's "great stories", sort of like in Book!RotK, with "Nine-Fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom". At the end of Movie!TTT, Sam and Frodo were talking about the legends, the "great stories", of the hobbits, and the possibility of them being in those stories someday. Then, in the RotK "You bow to no man" scene, I saw awe in Sam's face, because he knew that he would be a legend to Men and Hobbits.

P.S. Yes, Anguirel, that bedroom scene felt squirmingly like... um... fanfic.

MatthewM · 07-29-2006, 09:14 PM

Just to let you all know, not like it would shift any opinions, but Sean Astin himself said today that this part makes him cry most.

Anguirel · 07-30-2006, 02:01 AM

Excellent. All the more reason to lambast it!

MatthewM · 07-30-2006, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Excellent. All the more reason to lambast it!

Someone is sour and afraid to admit they like the scene...

smeagollives · 08-19-2007, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beanamir of Gondor

P.S. Yes, Anguirel, that bedroom scene felt squirmingly like... um... fanfic.

what is so bad about fanfic?

Lady_Arwen · 08-26-2007, 05:49 PM

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07-08-2006, 12:38 PM	#1
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Allow me to courteously disagree with all the agreers here... and to agree with Anguirel. I hate that scene... almost as much as the "bedroom" (to put an inappropiate innuendo on it) scene. It feels, as Anguirel said, rather "superfluous, anakronistic, and pseudo-democratic". None of which is complimentary, by the way. On the other hand, I have to agree with MatthewM that Eowyn and Merry's battle-cry agrees with me... Generally, when going into battle, a battle-cry is to be expected. Though precisely what it has to do with the bowing topic... I'm not sure. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

07-12-2006, 03:03 PM	#3
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	Just to add, I actually liked the scene. I thought it was moving and showed full development of friendship between the hobbits and Aragorn. __________________ "Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills...and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!" -Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring

07-12-2006, 05:06 PM	#5
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	I think it works, but everyone is going to have their own opinion. I love the whole coronation scene. __________________ "Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills...and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!" -Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring

07-15-2006, 11:52 AM	#6
Elladan and Elrohir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 332	It's a beautiful moment, capped perfectly by Howard Shore's score stringing the Shire theme. I don't cry at movies, but that's the first time ever where I wanted to. I agree that Merry and Pippin shouldn't be placed on the same level as Frodo and Sam, but you have to admit that, in both the book and the movie, the Quest likely would have failed without them. Or at the least, Minas Tirith would have fallen. But that's another thread for another time. __________________ "If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." THE HOBBIT - IT'S COMING

07-15-2006, 12:19 PM	#7
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	Well, I rather liked the scene. Actually, I liked it quite a bit. Except for Pippin's face. I always laugh at that, because it's the funniest possible face for that serious moment. Which means it's rather out of place in the scene. But I really liked the scene, mainly because it shows that Aragorn, who had just been crowned King, was still the noble, humble person they had come to know. I think it fits better with his character to give credit to others when it is due. He himself did deserve a lot of credit, which he received (he was just crowned King after all!), but he makes sure that the other key players are not left out. The fact that Merry and Pippin are left in the shot was good, too. It says to me that, even though they were forced apart and went down different paths, they (the four) are still the closest friends through it all. Very touching indeed. Also, I think it's very fitting that the hobbits get their moment to "stand above" everyone else before "shrinking" back into memory and legend. __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

07-27-2006, 09:26 AM	#8
Beanamir of Gondor Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the Shadow Gallery Posts: 276	A reason I liked this scene was because I also felt a little bit of Sam's "great stories", sort of like in Book!RotK, with "Nine-Fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom". At the end of Movie!TTT, Sam and Frodo were talking about the legends, the "great stories", of the hobbits, and the possibility of them being in those stories someday. Then, in the RotK "You bow to no man" scene, I saw awe in Sam's face, because he knew that he would be a legend to Men and Hobbits. P.S. Yes, Anguirel, that bedroom scene felt squirmingly like... um... fanfic. __________________ The answer to life is no longer 42. It's 4 8 15 16 23... 42. "I only lent you my body; you lent me your dream."

07-29-2006, 09:14 PM	#9
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	Just to let you all know, not like it would shift any opinions, but Sean Astin himself said today that this part makes him cry most. __________________ "Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills...and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!" -Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring

07-30-2006, 02:01 AM	#10
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Voice from the Void Excellent. All the more reason to lambast it! __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

08-26-2007, 05:49 PM	#13
Lady_Arwen Newly Deceased Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the shadows... Posts: 7	[post deleted] Last edited by Lady_Arwen; 05-04-2008 at 10:19 PM.