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alatar · 07-07-2006, 11:15 AM

Have to agree with the those 'agreers' here. Would have been nice if Merry and Pippin were included in the act of respect, but I can see why PJ allows them to stand:

I guess that Pip feels worthy as he was able to trick an Ent into attacking Isengard, plus he lit the beacons which brought the Rohirrim to the Pelennor Fields. Truly heroic feats, to be sure. Merry helped kill the Witch-King, and that rates him over Gandalf, who was 'proned' by the King of the Nazgul. Plus he was able to ride from Dunharrow to Mundburg completely unnoticed, and this cone of invisibility was extended to Eowyn as well.

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07-07-2006, 09:38 PM

Thanks for the warm welcome folks.

The way I saw it, the rest were bowing down to Pippin and Merry, because they had as much to owe to them (for reasons you mentioned) and for the fact that this tiny race of hobbits ("they would only be children to your eyes") were so courageous and brave and "had stout hearts" and changed the world for a better course.

Whereas the race of men needed encouraging from the Return of the King.

I thought it was a nice touch personally, and definitely though it was something the book would've been better with.

I also personally didn't like the Scourging of the Shire in the book, and was glad PJ left it out.

The voice over by Frodo at the end (upon his return to the Shire) is also spine-tingling, the bit where he starts off "How do you pick up the threads of an old life...".

I will agree with you however, when you say the bed-happy scene was completely overdone.

ninja91 · 07-08-2006, 06:33 AM

I cant stand when Eowyn screams during the charge of the Rohirrim during the battle of Pelennor Fields. The scene is one of the most powerful in the movie, but then it is ruined by Eowyn's dorky battle cry.

MatthewM · 07-08-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ninja91

I cant stand when Eowyn screams during the charge of the Rohirrim during the battle of Pelennor Fields. The scene is one of the most powerful in the movie, but then it is ruined by Eowyn's dorky battle cry.

WHAT?! I must vehemently 100% disagree with you. That is one of my favorite parts! Eowyn and Merry's cry add to the emotion! Everyone has thier own opinion, but I never thought I'd see somebody say that.

Back to the topic though, I think Merry and Pippin deserve just as much bowing as Frodo and Sam! As a previous poster noted, Merry helped kill one of Mordor's most opposing forces in The Witch-King, Pippin saved Faramir, and both aided in the rousing of the Ents, as well as outsmarting the band of Orcs that had captured them long enough for the Rohirrim to come in and do their thing. They didn't go to Mt. Doom, but they still deserve to be bowed to.

Formendacil · 07-08-2006, 12:38 PM

Allow me to courteously disagree with all the agreers here... and to agree with Anguirel. I hate that scene... almost as much as the "bedroom" (to put an inappropiate innuendo on it) scene. It feels, as Anguirel said, rather "superfluous, anakronistic, and pseudo-democratic". None of which is complimentary, by the way.

On the other hand, I have to agree with MatthewM that Eowyn and Merry's battle-cry agrees with me... Generally, when going into battle, a battle-cry is to be expected.

Though precisely what it has to do with the bowing topic... I'm not sure.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 07-12-2006, 10:07 AM

I don't like the scene, but it is because I find it very unconvinsing. It seems fake! It is one of those scenes that are supposed to be realy touching, but all it does for me is make me want to vomit.

MatthewM · 07-12-2006, 03:03 PM

Just to add, I actually liked the scene. I thought it was moving and showed full development of friendship between the hobbits and Aragorn.

07-07-2006, 11:15 AM	#1
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	Have to agree with the those 'agreers' here. Would have been nice if Merry and Pippin were included in the act of respect, but I can see why PJ allows them to stand: I guess that Pip feels worthy as he was able to trick an Ent into attacking Isengard, plus he lit the beacons which brought the Rohirrim to the Pelennor Fields. Truly heroic feats, to be sure. Merry helped kill the Witch-King, and that rates him over Gandalf, who was 'proned' by the King of the Nazgul. Plus he was able to ride from Dunharrow to Mundburg completely unnoticed, and this cone of invisibility was extended to Eowyn as well. Welcome, deathscar. Just so you know, my keyboard habitually gets stuck in 'sarcasm' mode . __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

07-08-2006, 12:38 PM	#5
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Allow me to courteously disagree with all the agreers here... and to agree with Anguirel. I hate that scene... almost as much as the "bedroom" (to put an inappropiate innuendo on it) scene. It feels, as Anguirel said, rather "superfluous, anakronistic, and pseudo-democratic". None of which is complimentary, by the way. On the other hand, I have to agree with MatthewM that Eowyn and Merry's battle-cry agrees with me... Generally, when going into battle, a battle-cry is to be expected. Though precisely what it has to do with the bowing topic... I'm not sure. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

07-12-2006, 03:03 PM	#7
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	Just to add, I actually liked the scene. I thought it was moving and showed full development of friendship between the hobbits and Aragorn. __________________ "Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills...and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!" -Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring

07-07-2006, 09:38 PM	#2
_00_deathscar Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks for the warm welcome folks. The way I saw it, the rest were bowing down to Pippin and Merry, because they had as much to owe to them (for reasons you mentioned) and for the fact that this tiny race of hobbits ("they would only be children to your eyes") were so courageous and brave and "had stout hearts" and changed the world for a better course. Whereas the race of men needed encouraging from the Return of the King. I thought it was a nice touch personally, and definitely though it was something the book would've been better with. I also personally didn't like the Scourging of the Shire in the book, and was glad PJ left it out. The voice over by Frodo at the end (upon his return to the Shire) is also spine-tingling, the bit where he starts off "How do you pick up the threads of an old life...". I will agree with you however, when you say the bed-happy scene was completely overdone.