WWJ IX: Psychotic Penguins: The Crossing of Helcaraxë - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 06-13-2006, 04:42 PM

Quote:

“Saatanan tunarit!”

Well, having phantom still around is nice although it was somewhat predictable.

The obvious conclusion of this is that Valier is the last penguin and she didn't want to get killed by the hunter. Another option is that this was an attempt to frame her up.

Again, I'm suspicious of Ang. In addition to what I've said earlier, I think the way Boro spoke about him looks like an avian alliance.

"Anguirel, has popped in couple, said his say, nothing strange there." ~Boro #33

"At first it seemed to me like Anguirel was going off with what he had at the time, but good points have been raised against him. I'm going to hold off until he gets back." ~ Boro #46

Ang's vote from Day 1 looks quite suspicious as he changed it from Eonwe to Kitanna giving her a second vote after Boro had got his first one. Then, of course, there was the incident when Ang defended Boromir against Roa, but I don't know how much that tells.

Here's what Naria (#298) said about Ang.

"Anguirel- Hmmm he's a tuff one to understand. I don't like the way that he is being so pushy with his posts especially towards people that I don't find particularly evil right now. Quite frankly some of his posts don't make any sense at all and that doesn't sit well with me."

It's notable, though, that she didn't say anything very precise about anyone.

Here's what Anguirel (#308) said about Naria.

"Naria-till recently, no evidence, really, except vague kudos for, in the end, acting to save Lalaith. Recently analysis which still doesn't reveal much, but does show complete trust in...Diamond! Argh! It's a conspiracy! Also accuses me of making no sense. How gajopyiferous."

Like Boromir, Ang speaks quite positively about her considering that she had barely spoken. YesterDay Ang voted for Enca, and refrained from commenting on people voting for Naria even though he was around till the end. I can imagine Anguirel as the emperor penguin, and right now he's my main suspect although I wish to look closer at other villagers, too.

edit: cross-posted with... everyone

Roa_Aoife · 06-13-2006, 05:29 PM

And another one! I'll be back soon with a cross-check between Boromir and Naria

Naria says:

Trusts

Diamond
Mac
Phantom (duh)
Valier

Unsure

Enca
Firefoot

Suspicious

Ang
Spawn
Eonwe
Roa

Other's Say

Trust

No one

Unsure

Roa
Ang
Firefoot

Suspicious

Valier
Phantom
Spawn
Enca

Doesn't mention (that I can find on Day 3)

Mac
Eonwe
Diamond

Cross-overs

Suspicious

Spawn

Roa_Aoife · 06-13-2006, 05:38 PM

Boromir and Naria

Mutually Suspected

Ang
Roa

Mutally Trusted

Mac
Valier

Mutually Unsure

Enca
Firefoot

Were opposites on

Eonwe
Spawn

Edit: Forgot the last part

Differed on (but were not opposite)

Diamond
phantom

Firefoot · 06-13-2006, 05:51 PM

Well, I don't know how the rest of you are thinking, but I still suspect Valier. Strongly. Even without the issue of the phantom's not-death, look at Valier's posts: she's been suspecting Naria almost straight from the beginning and for no apparent reason - after Naria had posted just once, Valier names her in post 68 as one of her three choices for wolves. And I know this was just a jesting first-post-of-the-game, but even there Naria is named as "definitely bad." Why, I ask you? My conclusion is that it is likely because Valier is a wolf who was trying to make herself look good by slandering Naria.

Roa_Aoife · 06-13-2006, 05:56 PM

Looking at theses lists, something occurred to me. If we assume that Boromir didn't list his fellows together, we can remove the remaining people from Boromir's "unsure list." After also removing the dead and the knowns, that leaves four suspects: Spawn, Valier, Ang, and myself. So I went back through my lists and removed all but us four. Here's how we line up:

People Boromir Suspected

Roa
Ang

People Boromir thought innocent

Valier
Spawn

----------------------------------------------------

Naria says:

Suspicious

Ang
Spawn
Roa

Trusts

Valier

----------------------------------------------------

Mutually Suspected

Ang
Roa

Mutally Trusted

Valier

Were opposites on

Spawn

EDIT: NOTE This is purely based on the assumption that Boromir did not list his fellow wolves together. This is only an assumption, as we do not know this for certain.

Roa_Aoife · 06-13-2006, 06:15 PM

I suppose a question must now be asked- would Boromir and Naria agree or disagree about their companion? If so, would they agree on suspicion or trust?

Valier · 06-13-2006, 06:17 PM

Firefoot I understand that I look very suspicious right now because of the actions of our dead Penguins. When the game first started I made a list of people who I thought could be baddies. I do this with every game. So right off the bat, I thought Naria, Ang, Boromir were definite baddies. After the actions of Boromir the first day, I thought he could be the seer and he knew of my innocence, so that is why I didn't vote for him that day, but I did suspect him. Naria has a reputation for being a Werewolf ninja and I thought it a good chance she was evil. Now Ang is super smart and crafty and I am certain he is the last remaining, so called Emperor Penguin. Jenny was a complete surprise to me though!! If I must die today to prove my innocence I will, even though I would really love to lynch the last bad guy and finally make it to the end of a game for the first time.

Valier · 06-13-2006, 06:22 PM

I would also like to add to your analysis of Naria's post's Roa this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naria

Valier- She's another hard one to read. I do want to mention, however that she can be quite the asset in a village with her uncanny ability for WW spotting.

So it seems right here she is saying that I was right in my suspects? I thought her evil and she was, I did at first think Boro was evil and he was...was she saying I was right in all my suspects ie.Ang? or do you think this is a trick to divert me?

Roa_Aoife · 06-13-2006, 06:22 PM

For the sake of being thorough, I'm going to go back and get quotes about each of these players from our known wolves. As I am one of the people on the list, please, go back and check me. It's your duty. Be an informed voter!

If I have time, and am sufficiently bored, I'll go back and get our quotes on each other. Mostly because it's wednesday, and I have nothing to do.

Edit: Cross posted- I'm going to requote that anyways. :P

Firefoot · 06-13-2006, 06:27 PM

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Naria has a reputation for being a Werewolf ninja and I thought it a good chance she was evil.

This makes no logical sense. She has been a crafty were...thing before, so of course she is one now. Your suspicions of her had no bearing whatsoever to the game at hand. That's why I'm suspicious of you.

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Now Ang is super smart and crafty and I am certain he is the last remaining, so called Emperor Penguin.

Being smart does not make someone a penguin. (Hate to say it, but...) Look at phantom. He makes a brilliant werecreature. That certainly doesn't make him one now.

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was a complete surprise to me though!!

Well, duh, not even the wolves know who the cobbler is...

If it's not Valier, I would guess Spawn or Eonwe, who I think is more unlikely because like Roa I think it is likely that Boro did not put both wolves in the same list. I suppose next would be Ang, mostly for lack of other suspects.

Firefoot · 06-13-2006, 06:30 PM

Valier:

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So it seems right here she is saying that I was right in my suspects?

Why the heck would a wolf say something like that? "Hey look, Valier, you're suspecting Ang, and you're right! Ang's one of my fellow wolves! Gold star for you!" I find it entirely more likely that she was bluffing.

06-13-2006, 05:56 PM	#5
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Looking at theses lists, something occurred to me. If we assume that Boromir didn't list his fellows together, we can remove the remaining people from Boromir's "unsure list." After also removing the dead and the knowns, that leaves four suspects: Spawn, Valier, Ang, and myself. So I went back through my lists and removed all but us four. Here's how we line up: People Boromir Suspected Roa Ang People Boromir thought innocent Valier Spawn ---------------------------------------------------- Naria says: Suspicious Ang Spawn Roa Trusts Valier ---------------------------------------------------- Mutually Suspected Ang Roa Mutally Trusted Valier Were opposites on Spawn EDIT: NOTE This is purely based on the assumption that Boromir did not list his fellow wolves together. This is only an assumption, as we do not know this for certain. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen Last edited by Roa_Aoife; 06-13-2006 at 06:06 PM.

06-13-2006, 06:15 PM	#6
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	I suppose a question must now be asked- would Boromir and Naria agree or disagree about their companion? If so, would they agree on suspicion or trust? __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

06-13-2006, 06:17 PM	#7
Valier Twisted Taleswapper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: somewhere between sanity and insanity Posts: 1,706	Firefoot I understand that I look very suspicious right now because of the actions of our dead Penguins. When the game first started I made a list of people who I thought could be baddies. I do this with every game. So right off the bat, I thought Naria, Ang, Boromir were definite baddies. After the actions of Boromir the first day, I thought he could be the seer and he knew of my innocence, so that is why I didn't vote for him that day, but I did suspect him. Naria has a reputation for being a Werewolf ninja and I thought it a good chance she was evil. Now Ang is super smart and crafty and I am certain he is the last remaining, so called Emperor Penguin. Jenny was a complete surprise to me though!! If I must die today to prove my innocence I will, even though I would really love to lynch the last bad guy and finally make it to the end of a game for the first time. __________________ grand return?........

06-13-2006, 06:22 PM	#9
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	For the sake of being thorough, I'm going to go back and get quotes about each of these players from our known wolves. As I am one of the people on the list, please, go back and check me. It's your duty. Be an informed voter! If I have time, and am sufficiently bored, I'll go back and get our quotes on each other. Mostly because it's wednesday, and I have nothing to do. Edit: Cross posted- I'm going to requote that anyways. :P __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

06-13-2006, 05:29 PM	#2
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	And another one! I'll be back soon with a cross-check between Boromir and Naria Naria says: Trusts Diamond Mac Phantom (duh) Valier Unsure Enca Firefoot Suspicious Ang Spawn Eonwe Roa Other's Say Trust No one Unsure Roa Ang Firefoot Suspicious Valier Phantom Spawn Enca Doesn't mention (that I can find on Day 3) Mac Eonwe Diamond Cross-overs Suspicious Spawn __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

06-13-2006, 05:38 PM	#3
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Boromir and Naria Mutually Suspected Ang Roa Mutally Trusted Mac Valier Mutually Unsure Enca Firefoot Were opposites on Eonwe Spawn Edit: Forgot the last part Differed on (but were not opposite) Diamond phantom __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

06-13-2006, 05:51 PM	#4
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Well, I don't know how the rest of you are thinking, but I still suspect Valier. Strongly. Even without the issue of the phantom's not-death, look at Valier's posts: she's been suspecting Naria almost straight from the beginning and for no apparent reason - after Naria had posted just once, Valier names her in post 68 as one of her three choices for wolves. And I know this was just a jesting first-post-of-the-game, but even there Naria is named as "definitely bad." Why, I ask you? My conclusion is that it is likely because Valier is a wolf who was trying to make herself look good by slandering Naria.