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06-08-2006, 04:42 PM
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Shady She-Penguin
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: In a far land beyond the Sea
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They had been informed about their horrid situation by the Parrot when they reached the Great Hall. Had they been humans, they would have been at each others' throats in minutes. There would have been the usual banter of Men, accusations thrown randomly around and people offended by others’ harsh words and attitudes.
Happily humans hadn’t yet been invented. And behold! These noble Elves sat around the table in the Great Hall and started a civilized and learned discussion about possible options and theories – even speculating the nature of theories in general and their usefulness. There was also some debate on the nature of the horrid bird-creatures haunting them, arguments concerning the theory of probability and the correct mathemathical deductions from it and naturally stories of old were recounted. “I knew those beastly little birds were no good the minute I laid eyes on them! I wanted to beat them off the ice, but noooo... you all said ‘Oh, they're cute, don't hurt them’ and ‘They're just pulling us to safety’”, began the phantom. All the Elves hadn’t had similar feelings though: “Those poor pretty penguins...I just never expected they might be evil!” Jenny said, evidently shocked. “I have failed in my duty to protect the Lady Eonwe, and I am greatly shamed for it” Roa, Elenwë’s personal guard, admitted, “I will try to regain my honor by taking revenge on the beasts who harmed my mistress.” “Failed to protect the "Lady Eonwe", huh? I believe you meant "Lady Elenwë". Are we preoccupied a bit there Roa?” Eonwe replied, pulling a face to her – clearly recalling the numerous times in the past he had been taken for a female. “I say we get all of this over with quick and kill EOMER! Yar! Hahahahahahahaha!” Dimwë the half-wit suggested. Then, with a sigh, she continued: “Ha. Er, what was that? Well pffifle it all.” “Well, this is all very civilised”, Lalaith commented. And for a while it continued in a civilised manner as especially Boromir and Roa were entangled in a debate. “Roa there is a common misconception about theories, everyone seems to think it's just baseless and preposterous. Now a true theory is a hypothesis based UPON facts. So, the facts are sitting out there and then based on those facts you form a hypothesis which = theory”, defined Boromir. “As I stated previously- I said I wasn't one for theories, but I never said don't state them. I did, however, say that we should be wary of baseless arguments, because they are, in fact, baseless”, argued Roa, “The truth is, you can postulate all day long, but in the end hard evidence, like what is provided in summaries and analysis, can't be denied with any sort of reasonableness, unlike a theory which can be shown false.” “There's a difference between going through every post on each person and reciting what they said (which is a summary) and going through the posts and staying one's feelings on everyone (which I would call analysis)”, Boro replied with yet another definition. “While theories are supported by facts, they are not, in themselves, fact, and someone who seems eager to have us adhere to one theory as fact is directly misleading us”, Roa claimed. The debate went on and on. Some of the Elves found it a bit boring, but Boro and Roa obviously didn’t. “I say we lynch Lalaith. She tries too hard to seem helpful”, Encaitare suggested. “Nah, let’s lynch Kitanna. She’s too careless”, spawn disagreed. “No! Boromir is the most suspicious. He’s over-defensive”, Lalaith said. All of them got some support, especially lynching Lalaith. When the situation started to look quite bad for her, she sighed: “An innocent Lalaith, might, as Ang so nicely says, be an asset to the village but a Seer Lalaith is definitely so.” She added: “Boromir is a werepenguin, by the way.” “Oohh! You tricksey”, Valier cried, “Let’s kill him!” “Alright”, Macalaure agreed. “Let’s kill Lalaith – no, let’s kill Boro!” Naria dropped in suddenly, a bit confused. “Yes, let’s cast him to a gorge!” the phantom called. “And let’s chain him first so that he can’t escape” added Kitanna. They carried the chained Boromir to the cleft they had marked when they had gotten ashore last evening. As they reached the cleft, they felt their burden lighten. To their horror they saw Boromir morph. He shrunk and started to grow black feathers, his arms changed to little wings and his eyebrows became long and yellow.  Scared, the Boro-penguins carriers dropped him down. The Rockhopper penguin faced them defiantly, ignoring his chains. “I still say that a summary and an analysis are not the same thing”, he screaked. “That’s enough!” Roa shouted, “Push him down!” “Down with the werepenguins!” Lalaith agreed and helped Roa push the Rockhopper into the void. He screamed as he fell. ~ The Dead ~ Nogrod - a troubadour, singer – mod, blowed up in the Big Bang on Night1 Thinlómien - a troubadour, harpist – mod, blowed up in the Big Bang on Night1 Boromir88 - The Mouth of Turgon – werepenguin, cast into a gorge on Day1 ~ The Living ~ Anguirel - Lalwende's semi-canonical lutenist and Findis's demi-canonical flautist dancing spawn of ungoliant - animals' dung cleaning specialist Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë Encaitare - A standard-bearer Eonwe - Turgon's herald Firefoot - Aredhel's friend JennyHallu - An Embroiderer, lost, not related Kitanna - servant who empties and cleans chamber pots Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer Naria - Family's goat herder the phantom - Ecthelion's hotheaded nephew and personal squire Roa_Aoife - Elenwë's personal guard Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid Night 2 begins now. Werepenguins start PMing. Seer, ranger and penguins send your picks to Nogrod.
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06-09-2006, 04:00 PM
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Flame of the Ainulindalë
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves
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The Chinstrap was restless. One of the penguins was already dead, after only one day.
“We’ll all die soon. The Master’s plan is madness”, the Chinstrap muttered, walking in circles on the basement floor. “No we don’t. We have the wit to stay alive. Only, of course, if no Rockhopper-like foolishness is performed”, the Emperor remarked coldly, entering the room. “I think he was brave”, the Chinstrap feebly disagreed, but the Emperor didn’t bother to pay attention. “Now, let’s go. We have an operation to accomplish.” As the penguins reached the corridor from different directions, they saw just what they had expected to see. Kitanna was standing in front of a door leading to one of the bedrooms, her beautiful Elven ranger’s sword unsheathed. As planned, the Chinstrap started towards her easily, waving its head from side to side cheerily, looking as innocent as a penguin can look. “You won’t get her!”, Kitanna yelled and took a step towards the Chinstrap, raising her sword to a swing. “It’s not her we are after. It’s you.”, the Chinstrap answered politely. Damn we don’t have the Rockhopper anymore, the Emperor cursed to itself, jumping a bit clumsily to peck Kitanna’s neck from behind as her attention was drawn to the Chinstrap. Still the Emperor managed to hit Kitanna to a nerve and stunned her immediately. The Chinstrap was nervously glancing around as The Emperor started the logical operation. Slowly it peeled the layers of Kitanna’s mind with the help of “the Methodological Doubt”. Finally, after putting under doubt all her earlier sensations, memories, affections and beliefs, it got to the roots it had been searching for. To the extreme certainty of one’s existence offered by the link between matter and mind, the assurance of feeling to be here and now. The Emperor snapped that link off with an argument on behalf of the soul’s autonomy and grinned foully. The totally disconnected soul of Kitanna’s vanished in a puff of logic. The Chinstrap was looking at the now soulless body of Kitanna in amazement and then asked somewhat apologizingly “So she’s not there any more, right? Just like that? But how...?” “You see. No matter means no extension and no extension means not occupying a place in space. And before you ask it, no I don’t know what happened to her soul – I only know that logically it can’t be in any “place” any more, and so not in her body, or anywhere around either. And that’s enough for us. Lost. Just vanished!” The Emperor answered almost patiently. Then its beak made something comparable to a smile “We’ll get back to bed now, but you surely should pay a visit to the Master’s lectures one day?” ------------------------------- When the Elves woke up, they were dreading what would they find. They came out to the corridor, and found one of them missing. “Where’s Kit?” Jenny, the lost Embroiderer asked worriedly. “I fear she has been killed by the maniac birds”, the Chamber Maid Valier answered. “No, there she comes!” the semi-demi-canonical musician, Anguirel, cried out, pointing to the stairs. To their relief, they saw a bruised Kitanna climbing up the stairs. “Oh, Kit, we were so worried about you! I’m so glad to see you ali...iv...” Firefoot called, stopping suddenly. She had noticed the same thing as all the others. Kitanna wasn’t normal. Her eyes were empty, and she was tumbling with every step. Never before she had been that clumsy; her occupation as a servant who empties and cleans chamber pots had required the ability of walking in stairs without fumbling. “Kit, what has happened to you?” the Herald Eonwe asked, terrified. There was no answer. Kitanna turned and started walking towards the wall. “No, Kit, stop!” her kind of colleague spawn cried, but that had no effect. Kitanna tumbled head first to the wall and fell. Lalaith, the tutoress, ran to help her up. She forced Kitanna to face her and asked “What’s wrong, Kit?” There was no answer, only an empty, mindless stare. No word, no expression, no recognition. No one in her. “Braindead, hehe. I’m not the most stupid one anymore. Haha! Me wiser than Kit? Mwahahaa”, Dimwë the half-wit commented, voicing the fact all the others had feared. “I’m afraid it’s more than that! She’s a zombie, a living dead, a wrap without a content, an elf body without a soul to inhabit it.” Said the horrified phantom, “I said these creatures are made by Melkor!” The shaken elves stood there, quite at loss as to what to do with Kitanna’s animated, soulless body. It seemed to walk around slowly by itself, crushing and tumbling on everything on its way. As long as it moved it would had felt wrong to bury it, but then again, without a permanent watch it would just hurt itself even more. No one liked to figure out how “she” would look like in the evening with all the bruises... “Breakfast. Downstairs. Breakfast downstairs”, croaked the familiar voice of the green parrot from the Great Hall. “Naria and Roa, you are used to take care of the others. Could you bring that one down with us?” asked Encaitare, “I’m confident only with bearing standards.” Just as they were all starting downstairs Lord Turgon’s nephew, Macalaure, noticed Kitanna’s ranger’s sword at the floor. It had gone totally unnoticed so far. He picked it up and yelled after the others “Did you see this? We’ve lost our hidden protector!” No one disagreed the gloominess of the news. ~ The Dead ~ Nogrod - a troubadour, singer – mod, blowed up in the Big Bang on Night1 Thinlómien - a troubadour, harpist – mod, blowed up in the Big Bang on Night1 Boromir88 - The Mouth of Turgon – werepenguin, cast into a gorge on Day1 Kitanna - servant who empties and cleans chamber pots – ranger, body and soul separated by Cartesian Dualism on Night 2 ~ The Living ~ Anguirel - Lalwende's semi-canonical lutenist and Findis's demi-canonical flautist dancing spawn of ungoliant - animals' dung cleaning specialist Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë Encaitare - A standard-bearer Eonwe - Turgon's herald Firefoot- Aredhel's friend JennyHallu - An Embroiderer, lost, not related Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer Naria - Family's goat herder the phantom - Ecthelion's hotheaded nephew and personal squire Roa_Aoife - Elenwë's personal guard Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid Day2 has now begun. 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06-09-2006, 04:09 PM
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Blithe Spirit
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Good morning/evening, fellow elves and werePingus.
Well, it is as I feared. Poor Kitanna, a hollow, non-existential shell of her former self. It is good that we got a penguin but not so good that we had to out both the ranger and the seer on the way. Well, on to the business of toDay. Firstly, and most importantly: the person I dreamt of last night was not on the evil side. What else s/he might be, I will of course not divulge. The question is, whether should I reveal the identity of the elf in question. I am inclined to reveal - even though, now Kit is no longer among us, it endangers the individual concerned. Because it will give the innocents someone to rally round toMorrow, after I am dead. However, I would like to hear a few opinions first. Secondly, and less importantly, I’d just like to explain, in case some of you were shaking their heads at my recklessness yesterday, the strategy I was trying to carry out – a strategy which alas backfired. In the past, if I die before the end, it is usually at the hands of the wolves rather than the lynch mob, because I am generally considered innocent. So in an attempt to ensure safer nights, I tried to pick a few fights and garner more suspicion during the Day than I usually do. I also thought that voicing my suspicion of a WP might make the WPs more reluctant to kill me, even if I didn’t succeed in getting the WP in question lynched. However, I was clearly a little too successful on the suspicion front.. ...speaking of which, Diamond, my dear old bean, are you familiar with the works of Douglas Adams? I am starting to feel like the bowl of petunias (aka Agrajag) to your Arthur Dent. I’ll come back with more once I get some feedback on the revelation question.
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06-09-2006, 04:41 PM
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Eidolon of a Took
Join Date: Sep 2002
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By the way, now that I see you're the Seer, your strategy yesterDay makes perfect sense. I should have seen it, or at least guessed it, before you revealed, but I'll plead general paranoia and temporary stupidity due to being time strapped.  Quote:
I bookmarked all of Boromir's posts, and intend a read-though/analysis. It is a bit unlucky to have two of our gifteds revealed and one down for the count, but on the up side, I now I have plenty of solid info to go on, which makes me feel less like whimpering and more like analyzing. EDIT -- X-posted with, like, everyone since Lal. Also, bad English, and not the musical kind.
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06-09-2006, 04:51 PM
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Beloved Shadow
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: The Stadium
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My response to you dates back to a Werewolf plagued village long ago in which my ancestors lived (WW III). A fellow by the name of Fordim put forth a Seer protection plan, and the responses it got were interesting. My ancestor was an Innocent in that village, and tried as hard as he could to determine if the plan would truly help the Seer (because as an Innocent he obviously cared about the Seer's well-being). For a time he went along with it just to test reactions, but then came out strongly against it and pointed out the odds of someone making an incorrect dream declaration, thus narrowing the Seer list for the wolves. You, Mac, did the same exact thing yesterday. You went out of your way to point out the danger of the plan, even going so far as to do a probability calculation. In other words, you were behaving like me when I was innocent and a similar plan was introduced. That's why I quickly moved you into the innocent column.
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06-09-2006, 05:09 PM
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Blithe Spirit
Join Date: Jan 2003
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No Mac, phantom cannot be a cobbler, the rules for this game state that if I dream of the cob, I am informed of the fact. But whether phantom is anything more, I leave for the penguins to find out, if they dare. I thought long and hard about who to dream of, as this would be my last. In that horridly churlish and ungrateful spirit that WW breeds in one, I pondered on both my allies of yesterday, Ang and Roa. If either were a WP who suspected my pursuit of Boro as Seerish behaviour, it would make them look very good to either defend me, as Ang did, or help me pursue my quarry, as Roa did. Of course, both have perfectly good alternative reasons for their actions. I have had reason to be grateful for Ang's chivalrous nature in past villages, so his defence of me was not unexpected. Roa could easily have picked up on dodgy stuff in Boro's posts off her own bat, as Phantom has just explained he did. So in the end I chose Phantom for the following reasons: 1. Because I worried about his "whoops I didn't read all the thread" vote for Boro, it made him look rather good, and therefore, in my eyes, suspicious. 2. If he turned out to be innocent, and thus the known innocent on Day Three, he would probably encourage the village to do something sensible.
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06-09-2006, 04:12 PM
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Feb 2004
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Well, after what happened yesterday, I can't say I'm surprised at Kitanna's death. I assume Lal will tell us her dream when she signs on. Even if she dreamed of an innocent, we at least have decided the were-penguins' moves for the next two nights. Well done, Kitanna and Lal.
In the mean time, I'm going to go back and sort Boromir's reactions to others, and other's reactions to Boromir, and I encourage others to do the same. EDIT: Cross-posted Lal, if you think the person is likely to end up lynched, reveal them. otherwise, it might be pointless. However, keep in mind that the goal of the individual villager is not survival forself, but survival for the village. If you can keep us from lynching an innocent person it will help us narrow the field of suspects, if even by a little.
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06-09-2006, 04:22 PM
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Twisted Taleswapper
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: somewhere between sanity and insanity
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I agree I think you should tell us Lalaith who the Ordo is unless they are gifted. that will clear up at least something. It totally sucks that we have virtually lost two of our gifteds on the first day, but at least we got a WP in there. If we know another innocent it may help in narrowing this down.
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06-09-2006, 04:25 PM
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Feb 2004
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Actually, if the person is the hunter, you should definitely tell us who they are but not tell us that they are the hunter. The hunter is no good unless they get killed. Otherwise, I don't think it will hurt the village to have a known innocent.
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06-09-2006, 04:26 PM
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Beloved Shadow
Join Date: Jul 2002
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Tell us, Lalaith.
Sure, that guarantees the WPs will kill him/her, but at least the village will have one person tomorrow that has an agenda they can trust, and can rule out one person when rounding up suspects. Kitanna died to give you another dream. You might as well tell it. We'll look like idiots if, three days down the road, we lynch someone and after the game we learn that the person was a proven innocent.
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06-09-2006, 04:39 PM
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Beloved Shadow
Join Date: Jul 2002
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Just so everyone knows, it was primarily this post that made me suspect Boro of being a WP. There was just something about the way he listed his suspects and the way he addressed their guilt and innocence that set off an alarm. When I read posts, I try to look past their actual words and get a feel for what they're really saying, or where they are trying to lead me.
I didn't really have time to do that yesterday, but when I skimmed that post by Boro, it was like I didn't even have to try and interpret it. I'm guessing it's because he and I are similar in some ways and also because the two of us have been Wolves together in past villages. His post said to me "I'm a WP and I'm trying to hide my fellow WPs on my lists, trying to put some seeds of accusations in the minds of others without coming out and doing it, trying to sound generally positive about people so as to not attract a backlash, and definitely trying to show how truly clueless I am as to the identity of the WPs." It reminded me of my thoughts when I've been a wolf. I picked up on that sort of mood a bit from Ang too which is why I listed him with Boro as a suspect near the end of yesterday. Right now I'm trying to analyze the voting order. I'm thinking I'll have time to do that and post some thoughts a bit later. Any theories about the Boro post I linked to, and where on his lists he put his fellow WPs?
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06-09-2006, 04:40 PM
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Fading Fëanorion
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: into the flood again
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Finally some time to really read through everything that has been posted yesterday. I think I like nights, if only there wasn't this, well, bloodshed at the end of it. *shudders*
Poor Kitanna. I regret ever having voted for her. She wouldn't have revealed herself if I didn't. One thing that troubled me when I reread, was that known villain Boromir88 was very quick at calling me innocent, for no real reason. Now I realized that, too, Ang, Diamond, phantom and Firefoot thought me innocent, all for little or no reasons (I'm quite curious about what tp might bring up today). Interestingly, except Firefoot each of them is on the top half of my suspicion list. On the other hand, spawn and Valier, who are in the lower half, raised more or less reasonable concerns about me. Let's have a word about Anguirel. He defended the vicious Boro against Roa. Maybe, like admittedly myself, he was just fond of Boro's innocence and found, again like me (though I didn't write about it), Roa's points to be weak. Then came Post 84. So Boro didn't need to defend himself, yet Ang does so for several posts? Irony? A slip? Maybe... But later he says he doesn't like Lalaith to be lynched, at a time, when Boro was still/already in danger. Then he voted for Kitanna. But then, of course, I did, too. I hate people who are suspicious and unsuspicious at the same time. It makes me suspicious about them. Now, this was supposed to be followed by an elaborate analysis on why I don't believe Kitanna to be the true ranger. So much for that. I still don't understand why she revealed herself, she wasn't pressed so severely. She could be alive now and still saved Lalaith. Lalaith, whether you reveal the innocent or not, I don't think we will rally around him/her. Could be the cobbler, after all. I agree on Roa. Don't tell us whether s/he's the hunter. That will give the penguins something to chew on and the innocent a chance not to be killed this night. Last edited by Macalaure; 06-09-2006 at 04:44 PM. Reason: punctuation |
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06-09-2006, 05:12 PM
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Eidolon of a Took
Join Date: Sep 2002
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 But seriously, it is quite easy for a newbie to be very quiet and sail along for a bit on the "newbie" card. People will chalk it up to the person being cautious or overwhelmed, and magnaimously "give them a chance" for at least a few days. So, if a newbie is a wolf, their compatriots may council them to take advantage of this and lay low no matter how competent or comfortable they may actually feel. You didn't do that, hence, I didn't see much contrivance in your posts. You seemed to be operating on your own. All of which explains my thinking yesterDay. Boro's guilt has shaken my confidence in my gut feelings from yesterDay. The one thing I did get right was Kitanna, though. I knew she wasn't being careful and quiet enough to be her usual evil self, but then, I have experience with Kitanna. Still, I'd like to think that if I'd been thinking clearer I would have seen through Boro. *grumble grumble* Quote:
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