WWJ IX: Psychotic Penguins: The Crossing of Helcaraxë

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Giving seerish hints while not being seer and being as reasonable as possible doesn't mix to me.

It can be just a choice of words or whatever. Ask Boromir because he can seereally how that is to be done. (Just to be clear, I'm referring to an old incident here)

I think I could make a case against every one of you now, but maybe that's not very reasonable considering that many of you have posted only once, so I shall wait until more posts will come.

In the meantime, I'm worried about Ang.

His first post is a noble attempt to make an analysis with minimal amount of material. Maybe a bit too noble, actually.
At that point ten people had posted and he picked six of them (who had posted once or twice) to inspect. All the statements of the villagers contain a positive and negative side, but we don't get any kind of a real conclusion of that. Yes, it's hard to tell, but that hardly provokes discussion and it's something a WP would want to do in order to appear helpful.

-He said that he likes fighting with phantom, but phantom makes sense. Ang is suspicious of phantom until he's proven innocent, but he agrees with phantom's points.
-Ang said that Eonwe hasn't contributed much, but defends him by saying that there's not much material in the village anyway.
-Diamond was worrying, but she could have been more worrying while Boro's first post looks a bit unhelpful, but the second one is better.
-Valier isn't very suspicious because she behaves normally, and Ang agrees with Firefoot although he's afraid that she could be a WP. Still, he doesn't want to lynch her for that - yet.

In Ang's second post he answers Macalaure that the Seer theory has two sides, but phantom's plan seems pretty good unless he is a WP. Next thing he says that he'd rather not have hints at all because we should concentrate on the enemies instead of gifteds. To me the plan isn't about concentrating on gifteds, but trying to distract the WPs while we pay attention to catching them.

He asks if phantom wants to go with his ancestor's plan about lynching volunteers and says that he'd not support the idea.

In his third post Ang just refers to his ancestor and explains why he thinks that lynching volunteers is a bad idea. Well, why to bring it up in the first place, then?

All in all, Ang has been more, well, not necessarily flip-floppy, but careful than what I would have thought. I don't get the usual innocent feeling when reading his posts, and having no certain opinion about anything looks penguinesque, so I look forward to his future posts.


Oh, and what makes Jenny leave Cobblerish hints on purpose, I wonder...


ps. Please, people, read the rules, and you'll find playing much easier.

Originally Posted by Rules

In this game, the cobbler will be seen as the cobbler by the seer when dreamed of

There will be no double-lynches

[Lalaith]

Yes, I was just going to say that, Spawn (regarding rules...)
Also, interesting what you say about Anguirel - I'm inclined to agree. Ang is usually one of nature's Cobblers but RL pressures might make him less playful than usual.
I agree that Ang should be watched closely - also Di, who can hide much behind the kooky facade, and Macalaure, so keen to emphasise his newbie status and yet able to worst phantom on the cobbler issue.
I am also having bad feelings about my old comrades in evil, Boro and phantom.

[Firefoot]

I'm finding it interesting (not suspicious, necessarily) that already we've had two people try to do full out analyses on everyone (Valier's doesn't really count, I'd expect stuff like that on Day 1)... to be quite honest, I wouldn't have thought there enough material to be worth doing them. For myself, I'm not really seeing anything particularly notable or suspicious yet...

Tsk tsk.... the phantom should always be obeyed.

When we start doing that, that's probably when you turn up as a wolf...

[Diamond18]

Um, okay, I hope all this Werewolf 101 stuff is mostly for the benefit of Mac, because it's seriously boring. Yeah, the Seer wants to say hidden until s/he has gathered enough info to be useful. Yeah, we're probably bound to lynch a few innocents on the way. Yeah, the Cobbler can vote for his/herself. Yeah, some ordo's may want to act Seerish to deflect attention from the real Seer.

Maybe it's the lack of Noggie playing, but where are the actual crazy theories and real debates?

I tend to agree with those who see little point in the analyzations so far. I admit that I skimmed the ones posted so far. I mean, I just read the posts they're analyzing.

Boro... no, I'm not making fun of you. I didn't even know about that mishap. I was just taking out some latent, um, frustration from the last game I was in. I did not get to vote the last day, but surely would have voted Eomer if I'd gotten to the thread 2 hours earlier than I did.

Also, I wasn't saying the Seer should reveal just for the sake of revealing the cobbler. Ha, ah ha ha ha. I was just saying that, if the Seer feels the need to reveal a Penguin or two (for example, in the first game I played in, you revealed KuruWolf after FeaWolf was already dead, and left us to find KitWolf ourselves) and also happened to know who the Cobbler is, they could let us know. But the Seer should only reveal if s/he has actual Penguin-centric information to share. The Cobbler would just be icing on the cake.

Oh yeah, and tp, read the rules. I'm the half-wit around here.

[Valier]

Wow I don't think I've ever been called eccentric before....nice....

I for one also think all this ww 101 is boring, we know how the game works and I think if everyone left seer hints, all us Ordo's will have more of a hard time picking out the WP's. I understand why you think this is a good plan, but I am sure the Seer can take care of themself for at least awhile. I will be around for most of the day today, so I will be making a list shortly with who I think the baddies and goodies are.

[Boromir88]

ps. Please, people, read the rules, and you'll find playing much easier.~spawn

That's always been my problem, I skim through the rules, and it's probably going to get me into trouble one of these days. I want to get right straight to the start, and get going, I don't go through the set-up as much as one probably should. I find rules to be boring and think that there should be none except the bare minimum to keep from an all out frenzy from going on.

It can be just a choice of words or whatever. Ask Boromir because he can seereally how that is to be done.

Oh boy a trip down memory lane. Funny thing is it looks like I just did a little typo and didn't put in a space, but actually it was done on purpose...fun times.

I'm finding it interesting (not suspicious, necessarily) that already we've had two people try to do full out analyses on everyone (Valier's doesn't really count, I'd expect stuff like that on Day 1)... to be quite honest, I wouldn't have thought there enough material to be worth doing them. For myself, I'm not really seeing anything particularly notable or suspicious yet...~Firefoot

For me it's setting up what's coming up next, in that I was getting down sort of the first "feelings" of everyone's post. Most people had posted by this time and many more several times, and I was remarking upon the type of feel that I got from their posts, which is all leading up to what I'm doing soon.

I'm not trying to squelch conversation. I'm trying to turn it from fruitless cobbler-and-see talk to penguin catching. I've been in 3 separate villages where an evil villager was lynched on the first day, and I'm the last person you'll see complain about not having much to go on on day 1, especially since I ascribe none of those kills to luck.~Jenny

My fault then and this makes you seem more innocent in my eyes. I still stand by that it will be beneficial to lay down plans and ideas that our gifteds may want to consider. It's their own decision to come up with, but just some ideas for them to think about. I agree only good to the penguins can come out of someone saying "I think so and so may be the Seer," but was pointing out this was not the case. It was possible strategies being discussed, not actually naming anyone. And that response there makes you look innocent to me.

So now onto what I was talking about before and the kind of feel I got off of people's post. These are the ones that to me, as of right now have a more innocent look to them:

Spawn
Jenny
Eonwe
Valier
Macalaure

Most of them I already explained why they appear innocent before. Spawn for her input on Anguirel she seems innocent. I don't know yet what to make of Anguirel, but Spawn's input is beneficial, helpful, and usually I don't suspect the one's who announce stronger suspicions this early. For it's a bold move for a WP to stick their neck out and first really start the suspicions.

Unsure, now these following people could really go either way. Some have a more innocent feel to them, but wouldn't put it past them if they were a WP. Others there's just nothing definitive to go off of and outrightly declare them in the other two categories:

phantom
Firefoot
Naria
Encaitare
Diamond

phantom always has strategies always appears helpful, and right now seems to be more innocent. There's nothing that cries out penguin, but the scary thing with phantom is he'll play the exact same whether he's innocent or not. He'll be proposing ideas, talking strategies...etc, be it he innocent or evil penguin.

Firefoot, hasn't said a whole lot yet, seems to be more observant so far today. Perhaps that's just because there's really not too much out there. Again, like phantom, I like the advice from her so far, but it wouldn't surprise me if she was a wolf.

Naria and Encaitare both haven't posted anything yet. Well Naria did, but I'm not counting that. So, I can't make a decision on them yet at all.

And Diamond has just confused me so far. The cobbler business seemed awkward to me, I'm glad she came out and explained it more, but she's not done anything to make me feel like she's innocent like the "innocent looking" group.

And those who seem strange and since I'll be gone for 2-3 hours then come back, one of these people will most likely get my vote today.

Roa
Lalaith
Anguirel
Kitanna

Roa has come in established a presence in the village, but really hasn't if you know what I mean. Also, as I remarked before I don't agree with the "don't throw around theories or baseless arguments," and what do I propose you want us to do to catch a penguin miss Guardian?

Lalaith is the one I'm probably most concerned about right now. I said in my last post I didn't see anything that caught my alarm, but now with her recent post there have been a few things:

Talks about the confusion caused by the cobber, and also agrees with phantom, that the cobbler doesn’t know anything, but then seems to say it is important to lynch him anyway, which is I think what Roa was saying.

If you read through more carefully yes I agreed with both phantom and Roa but they were two seperate points made about the cobbler. I said yes to phantom saying the cobbler's guess to who the penguins are as good as an ordinary villager...meaning they don't know. And I agreed with Roa that the cobbler's death would be a positive for the village. Now this comment didn't seem to strange to me at first but it's what comes after:

Looking over it, I'm quite interested in a few things, such as people who seem to be taking up two points of view simultaneously

I am also having bad feelings about my old comrades in evil, Boro and phantom.

It just seems like she's trying to nudge suspicion towards other people. Not outrightly make a stance, just kind of saying "hey I have a bad feeling about them," or "this is odd" (and then something that was misinterpretted). Just seems to me that she's trying to get suspicion nudged towards other people without risking a lot.

Anguirel, I must say Spawns comments were very intriguing on Anguirel. At first it seemed to me like Anguirel was going off with what he had at the time, but good points have been raised against him. I'm going to hold off until he gets back.

Kitanna, she's looking suspicious not as a penguin but as the cobbler. Comes in with the first post, but I must say Kitanna you have confused a lot of stuff. Which means I don't think a penguin would be this clumsy so right now you feel like the cobbler.

This is also a good plan because if a non-gifted villager drops a subtle hint on who they think is guilty and turns out to be correct the penquins may kill him/her thinking they had gotten the real seer. Of course we would lose an innocent in the process, but our seer would be intake.

Actually phantom's plan (as I have read it, again correct me if I am wrong) was not to hint guilts, but to hint innocents. Because phantom argued that if someone is hinting guilts and it's not one of the penguins, then the penguins know that person must not then be the Seer. So, to cover the seer it's hinting innocents therefor the penguins have a harder time finding the seer, not guilty ones as you have seed.

Boromir said he doubts phantom would be such a double-bluffer, today I'm inclined to believe that.

Actually I said of everyone in this village I expected phantom the most likely to pull a double-bluff.

Kitanna's made a few misinterpretations it looks like, seems too clubsy to be a penguin, but very well could be the cobbler.

[Boromir88]

...just cross posted with a bunch of people, but I have to go for now so will be back later with more.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Actually phantom's plan (as I have read it, again correct me if I am wrong) was not to hint guilts, but to hint innocents. Because phantom argued that if someone is hinting guilts and it's not one of the penguins, then the penguins know that person must not then be the Seer. So, to cover the seer it's hinting innocents therefor the penguins have a harder time finding the seer, not guilty ones as you have seed.

I know phantom's plan is to hint innocents, but I'm saying hinting a guilty can benefit too, incase the innocent's hint happens to be right.

PS: Anguirel, I got you confused with someone else. So my point about you being quiet is no longer valid.

[Anguirel]

Right. Well, I do share some of Boromir's concerns about Lalaith. She's in an extremely neutral position. She grandly, but quite languidly, sanctioned dancing spawn's angle on my nefariousness (though considerate as ever she was prepared to factor in IRL) and then casts a rather wide net:

Originally Posted by Lalaith

I agree that Ang should be watched closely - also Di, who can hide much behind the kooky facade, and Macalaure, so keen to emphasise his newbie status and yet able to worst phantom on the cobbler issue.

However, she's fishing in a pretty wide sea, after all, so perhaps she can be excused. Unless my metaphor turns out to be literal and pinquoid, of course, ho ho.

The thing about me being "one of nature's Cobblers" stung rather, I confess. But I shouldn't let that affect my actions unduly.

Neither am I going to vote for the phantom. I do not condemn him, only his Master Plans, which Macalaure has proved adept at ripping apart. I don't much like plans. Particularly at this stage.

I will probably vote for Eonwe or Kitanna-decision and reasoning pending.

EDIT: Kitanna-just a guess-did you confuse me with Formendacil? We are actually twins separated at birth, y'know.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

con: If everybody has his own "If I was the seer, then"-list, then the wolves can cancel out everybody who has a wrong guess on his list as a possible seer. No good. So the real seer has to mix at least one wrong dream into his list.

No-one talked about lists. Having lists won't be a good thing.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I know phantom's plan is to hint innocents, but I'm saying hinting a guilty can benefit too, incase the innocent's hint happens to be right.

I think normal cases work better than hints when trying to deduce who's guilty.


Anguirel, you are far from a bore, you know that, but that wasn't the point. Also, not everything I write is meant to accuse. This, for example...

"At that point ten people had posted and he picked six of them (who had posted once or twice) to inspect" ~Spawn about Ang

...wasn't an accusation, I'm just clearing the backgrounds.

Originally Posted by Ang

Incidentally, Ungoliantina m'dear, what happened to your Firefoot and Roa analyses? Not enough material?

Ooh, I got a new nickname? Thanks! (Although I like the old one even better.) Yes, you're right. That and lack of time. Roa has posted only once, and even though I could have made a case out of that, I wanted to see if there would be something funny in her other posts, too, or if it was just a first post thing before I accuse her. It was pretty much the same with Firefoot. Besides, I don't want to say out loud what caught my attention in their posts before I have more evidence. But hey, at least we got some discussion going on so that certain experienced players won't get bored...


I'll vote soon, but I have no idea yet who shall get my vote. I'll go rereading a bit.

[Thinlómien]

They had been informed about their horrid situation by the Parrot when they reached the Great Hall. Had they been humans, they would have been at each others' throats in minutes. There would have been the usual banter of Men, accusations thrown randomly around and people offended by others’ harsh words and attitudes.

Happily humans hadn’t yet been invented.

And behold! These noble Elves sat around the table in the Great Hall and started a civilized and learned discussion about possible options and theories – even speculating the nature of theories in general and their usefulness. There was also some debate on the nature of the horrid bird-creatures haunting them, arguments concerning the theory of probability and the correct mathemathical deductions from it and naturally stories of old were recounted.

“I knew those beastly little birds were no good the minute I laid eyes on them! I wanted to beat them off the ice, but noooo... you all said ‘Oh, they're cute, don't hurt them’ and ‘They're just pulling us to safety’”, began the phantom.

All the Elves hadn’t had similar feelings though:
“Those poor pretty penguins...I just never expected they might be evil!” Jenny said, evidently shocked.

“I have failed in my duty to protect the Lady Eonwe, and I am greatly shamed for it” Roa, Elenwë’s personal guard, admitted, “I will try to regain my honor by taking revenge on the beasts who harmed my mistress.”

“Failed to protect the "Lady Eonwe", huh? I believe you meant "Lady Elenwë". Are we preoccupied a bit there Roa?” Eonwe replied, pulling a face to her – clearly recalling the numerous times in the past he had been taken for a female.

“I say we get all of this over with quick and kill EOMER! Yar! Hahahahahahahaha!” Dimwë the half-wit suggested. Then, with a sigh, she continued: “Ha. Er, what was that? Well pffifle it all.”

“Well, this is all very civilised”, Lalaith commented.

And for a while it continued in a civilised manner as especially Boromir and Roa were entangled in a debate.

“Roa there is a common misconception about theories, everyone seems to think it's just baseless and preposterous. Now a true theory is a hypothesis based UPON facts. So, the facts are sitting out there and then based on those facts you form a hypothesis which = theory”, defined Boromir.

“As I stated previously- I said I wasn't one for theories, but I never said don't state them. I did, however, say that we should be wary of baseless arguments, because they are, in fact, baseless”, argued Roa, “The truth is, you can postulate all day long, but in the end hard evidence, like what is provided in summaries and analysis, can't be denied with any sort of reasonableness, unlike a theory which can be shown false.”

“There's a difference between going through every post on each person and reciting what they said (which is a summary) and going through the posts and staying one's feelings on everyone (which I would call analysis)”, Boro replied with yet another definition.

“While theories are supported by facts, they are not, in themselves, fact, and someone who seems eager to have us adhere to one theory as fact is directly misleading us”, Roa claimed.

The debate went on and on. Some of the Elves found it a bit boring, but Boro and Roa obviously didn’t.

“I say we lynch Lalaith. She tries too hard to seem helpful”, Encaitare suggested.

“Nah, let’s lynch Kitanna. She’s too careless”, spawn disagreed.

“No! Boromir is the most suspicious. He’s over-defensive”, Lalaith said.

All of them got some support, especially lynching Lalaith.

When the situation started to look quite bad for her, she sighed: “An innocent Lalaith, might, as Ang so nicely says, be an asset to the village but a Seer Lalaith is definitely so.” She added: “Boromir is a werepenguin, by the way.”

“Oohh! You tricksey”, Valier cried, “Let’s kill him!”

“Alright”, Macalaure agreed.

“Let’s kill Lalaith – no, let’s kill Boro!” Naria dropped in suddenly, a bit confused.

“Yes, let’s cast him to a gorge!” the phantom called.

“And let’s chain him first so that he can’t escape” added Kitanna.

They carried the chained Boromir to the cleft they had marked when they had gotten ashore last evening. As they reached the cleft, they felt their burden lighten. To their horror they saw Boromir morph. He shrunk and started to grow black feathers, his arms changed to little wings and his eyebrows became long and yellow.



Scared, the Boro-penguins carriers dropped him down. The Rockhopper penguin faced them defiantly, ignoring his chains. “I still say that a summary and an analysis are not the same thing”, he screaked.

“That’s enough!” Roa shouted, “Push him down!”

“Down with the werepenguins!” Lalaith agreed and helped Roa push the Rockhopper into the void.

He screamed as he fell.

~ The Dead ~
Nogrod - a troubadour, singer – mod, blowed up in the Big Bang on Night1
Thinlómien - a troubadour, harpist – mod, blowed up in the Big Bang on Night1
Boromir88 - The Mouth of Turgon – werepenguin, cast into a gorge on Day1

~ The Living ~
Anguirel - Lalwende's semi-canonical lutenist and Findis's demi-canonical flautist
dancing spawn of ungoliant - animals' dung cleaning specialist
Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë
Encaitare - A standard-bearer
Eonwe - Turgon's herald
Firefoot - Aredhel's friend
JennyHallu - An Embroiderer, lost, not related
Kitanna - servant who empties and cleans chamber pots
Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress
Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer
Naria - Family's goat herder
the phantom - Ecthelion's hotheaded nephew and personal squire
Roa_Aoife - Elenwë's personal guard
Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid

Night 2 begins now.

Werepenguins start PMing.
Seer, ranger and penguins send your picks to Nogrod.

[Nogrod]

The Chinstrap was restless. One of the penguins was already dead, after only one day.
“We’ll all die soon. The Master’s plan is madness”, the Chinstrap muttered, walking in circles on the basement floor.
“No we don’t. We have the wit to stay alive. Only, of course, if no Rockhopper-like foolishness is performed”, the Emperor remarked coldly, entering the room.
“I think he was brave”, the Chinstrap feebly disagreed, but the Emperor didn’t bother to pay attention.
“Now, let’s go. We have an operation to accomplish.”

As the penguins reached the corridor from different directions, they saw just what they had expected to see. Kitanna was standing in front of a door leading to one of the bedrooms, her beautiful Elven ranger’s sword unsheathed. As planned, the Chinstrap started towards her easily, waving its head from side to side cheerily, looking as innocent as a penguin can look.
“You won’t get her!”, Kitanna yelled and took a step towards the Chinstrap, raising her sword to a swing.
“It’s not her we are after. It’s you.”, the Chinstrap answered politely.

Damn we don’t have the Rockhopper anymore, the Emperor cursed to itself, jumping a bit clumsily to peck Kitanna’s neck from behind as her attention was drawn to the Chinstrap. Still the Emperor managed to hit Kitanna to a nerve and stunned her immediately. The Chinstrap was nervously glancing around as The Emperor started the logical operation. Slowly it peeled the layers of Kitanna’s mind with the help of “the Methodological Doubt”. Finally, after putting under doubt all her earlier sensations, memories, affections and beliefs, it got to the roots it had been searching for. To the extreme certainty of one’s existence offered by the link between matter and mind, the assurance of feeling to be here and now. The Emperor snapped that link off with an argument on behalf of the soul’s autonomy and grinned foully. The totally disconnected soul of Kitanna’s vanished in a puff of logic.

The Chinstrap was looking at the now soulless body of Kitanna in amazement and then asked somewhat apologizingly “So she’s not there any more, right? Just like that? But how...?”
“You see. No matter means no extension and no extension means not occupying a place in space. And before you ask it, no I don’t know what happened to her soul – I only know that logically it can’t be in any “place” any more, and so not in her body, or anywhere around either. And that’s enough for us. Lost. Just vanished!” The Emperor answered almost patiently. Then its beak made something comparable to a smile “We’ll get back to bed now, but you surely should pay a visit to the Master’s lectures one day?”
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When the Elves woke up, they were dreading what would they find. They came out to the corridor, and found one of them missing.
“Where’s Kit?” Jenny, the lost Embroiderer asked worriedly.
“I fear she has been killed by the maniac birds”, the Chamber Maid Valier answered.
“No, there she comes!” the semi-demi-canonical musician, Anguirel, cried out, pointing to the stairs.
To their relief, they saw a bruised Kitanna climbing up the stairs.
“Oh, Kit, we were so worried about you! I’m so glad to see you ali...iv...” Firefoot called, stopping suddenly. She had noticed the same thing as all the others. Kitanna wasn’t normal. Her eyes were empty, and she was tumbling with every step. Never before she had been that clumsy; her occupation as a servant who empties and cleans chamber pots had required the ability of walking in stairs without fumbling.
“Kit, what has happened to you?” the Herald Eonwe asked, terrified.
There was no answer. Kitanna turned and started walking towards the wall.
“No, Kit, stop!” her kind of colleague spawn cried, but that had no effect. Kitanna tumbled head first to the wall and fell.
Lalaith, the tutoress, ran to help her up. She forced Kitanna to face her and asked “What’s wrong, Kit?” There was no answer, only an empty, mindless stare. No word, no expression, no recognition. No one in her.
“Braindead, hehe. I’m not the most stupid one anymore. Haha! Me wiser than Kit? Mwahahaa”, Dimwë the half-wit commented, voicing the fact all the others had feared.
“I’m afraid it’s more than that! She’s a zombie, a living dead, a wrap without a content, an elf body without a soul to inhabit it.” Said the horrified phantom, “I said these creatures are made by Melkor!”

The shaken elves stood there, quite at loss as to what to do with Kitanna’s animated, soulless body. It seemed to walk around slowly by itself, crushing and tumbling on everything on its way. As long as it moved it would had felt wrong to bury it, but then again, without a permanent watch it would just hurt itself even more. No one liked to figure out how “she” would look like in the evening with all the bruises...

“Breakfast. Downstairs. Breakfast downstairs”, croaked the familiar voice of the green parrot from the Great Hall.
“Naria and Roa, you are used to take care of the others. Could you bring that one down with us?” asked Encaitare, “I’m confident only with bearing standards.”
Just as they were all starting downstairs Lord Turgon’s nephew, Macalaure, noticed Kitanna’s ranger’s sword at the floor. It had gone totally unnoticed so far. He picked it up and yelled after the others “Did you see this? We’ve lost our hidden protector!”

No one disagreed the gloominess of the news.

~ The Dead ~
Nogrod - a troubadour, singer – mod, blowed up in the Big Bang on Night1
Thinlómien - a troubadour, harpist – mod, blowed up in the Big Bang on Night1
Boromir88 - The Mouth of Turgon – werepenguin, cast into a gorge on Day1
Kitanna - servant who empties and cleans chamber pots – ranger, body and soul separated by Cartesian Dualism on Night 2

~ The Living ~
Anguirel - Lalwende's semi-canonical lutenist and Findis's demi-canonical flautist
dancing spawn of ungoliant - animals' dung cleaning specialist
Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë
Encaitare - A standard-bearer
Eonwe - Turgon's herald
Firefoot- Aredhel's friend
JennyHallu - An Embroiderer, lost, not related
Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress
Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer
Naria - Family's goat herder
the phantom - Ecthelion's hotheaded nephew and personal squire
Roa_Aoife - Elenwë's personal guard
Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid

Day2 has now begun.

Penguins stop PMing.
Everybody start discussing.

[Lalaith]

Good morning/evening, fellow elves and werePingus.
Well, it is as I feared. Poor Kitanna, a hollow, non-existential shell of her former self. It is good that we got a penguin but not so good that we had to out both the ranger and the seer on the way.
Well, on to the business of toDay.
Firstly, and most importantly: the person I dreamt of last night was not on the evil side. What else s/he might be, I will of course not divulge. The question is, whether should I reveal the identity of the elf in question.
I am inclined to reveal - even though, now Kit is no longer among us, it endangers the individual concerned. Because it will give the innocents someone to rally round toMorrow, after I am dead. However, I would like to hear a few opinions first.

Secondly, and less importantly, I’d just like to explain, in case some of you were shaking their heads at my recklessness yesterday, the strategy I was trying to carry out – a strategy which alas backfired. In the past, if I die before the end, it is usually at the hands of the wolves rather than the lynch mob, because I am generally considered innocent. So in an attempt to ensure safer nights, I tried to pick a few fights and garner more suspicion during the Day than I usually do. I also thought that voicing my suspicion of a WP might make the WPs more reluctant to kill me, even if I didn’t succeed in getting the WP in question lynched.
However, I was clearly a little too successful on the suspicion front..
...speaking of which, Diamond, my dear old bean, are you familiar with the works of Douglas Adams? I am starting to feel like the bowl of petunias (aka Agrajag) to your Arthur Dent.
I’ll come back with more once I get some feedback on the revelation question.

[Roa_Aoife]

Well, after what happened yesterday, I can't say I'm surprised at Kitanna's death. I assume Lal will tell us her dream when she signs on. Even if she dreamed of an innocent, we at least have decided the were-penguins' moves for the next two nights. Well done, Kitanna and Lal.

In the mean time, I'm going to go back and sort Boromir's reactions to others, and other's reactions to Boromir, and I encourage others to do the same.

EDIT: Cross-posted

Lal, if you think the person is likely to end up lynched, reveal them. otherwise, it might be pointless. However, keep in mind that the goal of the individual villager is not survival forself, but survival for the village. If you can keep us from lynching an innocent person it will help us narrow the field of suspects, if even by a little.