ATM II Planning/Discussion Thread

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

We'll try to keep making out to a bare minimum, shall we? Tolkienesque, loves. I don't want B-W shunning me and mine, if you follow.

Edit: Tp, please? Behave? Do I have to tell Di what you said about her last night?

[Diamond18]

What? What? What?

tp: Well, duh, that's why it caught my eye.

Fea: We'll have to get pretty nasty to rival the antics that took place in the Entish Bow, which B-W was a posting member of. So I wouldn't worry too much.

(A little Orc on Elf action, anyone? I rest my case.)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

What? What? What?

(A little Orc on Elf action, anyone? I rest my case.)

I'm fully aware given that I've read it. Still... please tasteful? Please? There's a lot more freedom in Gondor. This isn't a traditional game, but it's still a Shire game, it's still my first game, and I'm still petrified and paranoid something is going to go horribly wrong. While I usually don't play it safe with anything, this I'm playing safer than strictly necessary.

Can we pretty please not give me an ulcer?

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Fea

Can we pretty please not give me an ulcer?

Yes, madam.

And remember all, we're not all grown-ups here.

[Diamond18]

Ohhhhh *sigh* Okay.

And being a REB reader, you no doubt know that it was Esty who wrote all the really naughty stuff. I had two romantically inclined protagonists and all they ever did on screen was bicker. So I'm a good little girl.

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by Hroa

Obscenity: I'm not fully aware of the extent to which this ban implies, but the rule I want everyone to go by is "If you wouldn't want your ten-year-old sister reading it, don't post it."

Excellent! I have no ten-year-old sister, therefore no rules apply.

Just kidding, of course. I'll be good. Promise.

Originally Posted by Carbon

Well it's a good thing Skittles is too insane to fall in love.

And Angawen is too... Angawen to fall in love. I doubt she'll be engaged in any romantic encounters in this game, though there's always...

I really need to get round to reading REB. But I'm rereading ATM atm (just to get back into the swing of it) so it will have to wait.

Concluding the section of my post involving romance / obscenity (delete as appropriate), could I just say I don't think we should go overboard. The Gondorian ambassadors in particular will have to remain canonically pure. And the Mordorian ambassadors... well, who's going to be attracted to Igör? There doesn't seem much opportunity for romance in the game, excluding certain characters who already have an established relationship.


Language

These are ideas I was sharing with Fea last night. (We were on MSN, just incase tp misinterprets that...)

As a) The official language of Mordor is Modern English and b) The utterance of an anakronism results in permanent assignment to Mordor, it follows that Gondorian ambassadors a) Do not speak English, b) Feel no desire to speak English c) Will be assigned to Mordor if they speak English (and thus lose their office of ambassadorship) and d) Speak only in Westron.

The Mordorian ambassadors, meanwhile, should be learned in Westron so that they can communicate with their Gondorian counterparts. Conversations between the two groups should take place in Westron. Conversations between Mordorian ambassadors can be in Westron or English, depending on whether they want the Gondorians to understand or not.

However, this has the discrepancy of Gondorian ambassadors always being assigned to Mordor. By entering Mordor, they come into contact with Anakronistic life and thus notice Anakronisms. This should be enough to assign them.


As it is, I'm not sure how much of the above stands. It's up to Fea. Hopefully she'll clear it up soon.

EDIT: Of course, as Mardil is King and the King can decree who is to be assigned to Mordor or vice versa, we could simply have Mardil declare that the ambassadors are permitted to view, notice and mention anakronisms without assignation. This has the added advantage of showing the weakening power of the Dweomer. We can still keep the language aspect as we do this, though, as it can hardly be expected that any Gondorian should be learnt in the tongue of anakronisms.

[Kath]

Perhaps they can be excused from the normal rules due to the circumstances?

EDIT: Ok I've posted. Anyone who thinks I've misused their character is wrong because I've used no names! Feel free to grab a line if you want it though. Fea I'm hoping this meets with your requirements.

EDIT2: Oh yes, also, are we doing the whole anakronisms in italics thing again?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

By entering Mordor, they come into contact with Anakronistic life and thus notice Anakronisms. This should be enough to assign them.

It is enough. The trick is to pretend it's not real. What? I saw no large iron box on wheels speeding down the road with extremely odd and loud music shaking both it and the ground in the near vicinity. I've no idea what you're talking about.

There are going to be certain exceptions to the anakronism rule which Alli will be kind enough to point out (like icebreakers). You know how paperwork and international travel work... the silliest rules. Basically, the Gondorians have been briefed that they are not to notice anything out of the ordinary lest they be assigned or lest the Dweomer take effect on THEM. They might, as a matter of interest, not want to notice Igor.

Of course, as Mardil is King and the King can decree who is to be assigned to Mordor or vice versa, we could simply have Mardil declare that the ambassadors are permitted to view, notice and mention anakronisms without assignation.

That won't do at all. Mardil is NOT the King that created the King's Law therefore I'm not letting him change it. It is weakening, which lets people leave (which is what caused this whole problem), because of him, but if he tries to simply change it, Roggie will not be happy because it means that Mardil is not only allowing but helping illegal border swapping.

Originally Posted by Kath

Perhaps they can be excused from the normal rules due to the circumstances?

Nope.

Fea I'm hoping this meets with your requirements.

Yep.

EDIT2: Oh yes, also, are we doing the whole anakronisms in italics thing again?

Oh I'm sure we probably should...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Perhaps more clarification for the Gondorians is needed?

An MSN discussion with TGWBS (bolded meaning the important part):

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TGWBS: are we allowed to notice assignments?

TGWBS: or mention them?

Fea: depends

TGWBS: and we definitely shouldn't learn English, right?

Fea: if you have an official drive a car around

Fea: the *consequences* will be quick

Fea: if you have an official trip over paris hilton's dog

Fea: they won't be

Fea: that sort of thing

Fea: don't be afraid to notice things

Fea: just don't talk about them

TGWBS: lol, no active participation in anakronisms, you mean

Fea: exactly

TGWBS: passive anakronistisising is alright

Fea: haha

Fea: you've got it