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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles)
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I tend to agree with above arguments for heading East
or West, as opposed to South (although if the Redhorn gate was open it would also be a good option). They could have headed east past the Beornings and then gone down the River Running, getting to the area of the Sea of Rhun as a jumping off place for a dash to the south side of the Ered Lithui (hey, beats passing by Shelob and/or Minas Morgul as an entrance area! Alternately, despite Gandalf's worries, immediately after the Council of Rivendell head west to the Grey Havens, get Cirdan to send a small fleet, 2-3 boats at most, south of the Angren (any further by sea and there's corsair problems), and then go by land east to Lebennin and South Ithilien. Then either see the giant spider or head east around the mountains and so into south Mordor. Sea travel by elf sailors (hugging the coast) would be much quicker, and being near shore they could evade any enemy ships or stormy weather. There are problems with any route. Difficulties with the sea route include evading armies moving north, the length of the trip around mountains (unless JRRT invents another pass- or moves Shelob around ![]()
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Speed was important; safety was an issue whereever they went.
The snow that fell on Caradhras stopped the Fellowship in their tracks; it would've only been worse so far north (where Bilbo's High Pass lies). Quote:
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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The snow storm was at Redhorn, not East of Rivendell. No offence, but don't insert stuff into the story. Gandalf was referring to the Redhorn Pass then, as is clear as the colour of the letters.
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No offense, but once again, please read over what I said again.
![]() Why would they risk harsher weather by going further north where it was more common, and take the longer route in face of impending doom? It is simply irrational to expect that they would've taken the High Pass. Gandalf never even considers that High Pass an option because of these things. I do not think he is an idiot! You might also note that they point out that it wasn't simply natural weather acting. Quote:
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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Running) while longer and perhaps minimally colder (Caradhras was a tall peak so even its regular winter passages might well be as difficult as the High Pass). Also, the route east was generally secured by the Beornings, plus they could approach Mordor from a presumably unexpected point (The Sea of Rhun) as opposed to knocking on the front door (rather unwise).
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Also, the Beornings may have held the upper Vale of Anduin, but to get at Mordor's "back door", the Fellowship would have had to pass through or around Mirkwood (which in addition to being the home of Dol Guldur was also a warzone). Then they would have had to strike out across Rhovannion, which was probably swarming with Easterlings and Orks, and then into Rhûn proper, which was not only full of Easterlings, but a part of Sauron's empire. The route that Frodo ended up taking may have been dangerous, but I think an alternative route in Mordor- which would have been too long anyway- would have been far more perillous.
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A good point, Moria was the logical, and safest choice.
However, Tolkien is also careful to emphasize their reluctance right to the end, and they decide to sleep on it, still undecided. In the end, the final decision to go to moria is made of pure necessity, whether they would have chosen to go there or not: Quote:
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