Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lalaith · 05-07-2006, 04:35 AM

My problem with not knowing roles at time of death, is that it makes it harder for non-Wizard players to participate in the game in a meaningful way.
Non-Wizard players are of course going to be wizarding pawns to some extent, as the wizards have more knowledge and power than the rest of us. The shifting roles of players, the lack of any group behaviour by the wolves, is going to make it hard to make choices, votes etc that are anything but random, and having no identity clues at all after death is going to make that even harder.

Oh and I have another question. If the good wizard already has a full quota of gifteds, s/he could presumably still scry a player at Night, in order to lift a potential werewolf curse. But if the scried player turns out not to be a werewolf, what happens then? Nothing?

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-07-2006, 04:54 AM

My suggestion that we not know the roles of those who have died was just that, a suggestion, born of the dynamics that I enjoyed in Diamond's game. I had not really thought through the consequences in detail, as has been done (mainly by TP and Roa) since. Ultimately, I am happy either way, but my vote will remain in favour. I like paranoia and confusion.

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

My problem with not knowing roles at time of death, is that it makes it harder for non-Wizard players to participate in the game in a meaningful way.

In light of the complex discussions above over the consequences of knowing the tallies but not the final roles, it would certainly give them something to talk about. And by doing so, they would be aiding the Wizard to whom they owed allegiance at that point.

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Originally Posted by Celuien

I'm willing to bring some children and young eligible maidens into the house. What do you say, SPM?

I'm fine with that. As the childbearer, the choice of offspring is yours.

But these relationships are getting confusing. Any chance of a relationship chart, like a family tree? Perhaps Hookbill's artistic talents could be drawn on ...

Kuruharan · 05-07-2006, 07:05 AM

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If the good wizard already has a full quota of gifteds, s/he could presumably still scry a player at Night, in order to lift a potential werewolf curse. But if the scried player turns out not to be a werewolf, what happens then? Nothing?

The Good Wizard now knows the name of another innocent for the next DAY (since the werewolf curse comes before the GW scry). That is not entirely "nothing."

I wouldn't worry about this too much. I don't think it will happen often, if at all...unless the werewolves are suffering a rout.

Celuien · 05-07-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

My suggestion that we not know the roles of those who have died was just that, a suggestion, born of the dynamics that I enjoyed in Diamond's game. I had not really thought through the consequences in detail, as has been done (mainly by TP and Roa) since. Ultimately, I am happy either way, but my vote will remain in favour. I like paranoia and confusion.

That's essentially my opinion as well.

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I'm fine with that. As the childbearer, the choice of offspring is yours.

Prepare for our humble cottage to be overrun by children.

Roa_Aoife · 05-07-2006, 11:30 AM

Well, phantom, as my father would say, we seem to be in violent agreement. (I end up in that alot....) We seem to agree that knowing tallies is enough information to play with while still being mildly ambiguous so as to require some level of thought. I imagine we can have even more fun discussing this on Day 1.

And I'm more than ready for this game to start.

Cailín · 05-07-2006, 11:42 AM

I'm with Azaelia on this one.

Though I'm not sure what she's saying. But I totally agree.

Naria · 05-07-2006, 12:17 PM

*sigh* Always a bridesmaid, never a bride.

Come on, does no one want me

? Am I really that scary? I won't bite.....hard

Kath · 05-07-2006, 12:19 PM

I'd marry you Naria! But I'm not sure that's quite canon, plus Glirdy might attack you.

Celuien · 05-07-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Celuien

Prepare for our humble cottage to be overrun by children.

The Panman and I are also welcoming children/eligible young maidens to our family.

Actually, the image of our driving away suitors to our eligible maidens with one of his saucepans amuses me to no end, so I'll be quite disappointed if we end up childless.

Any volunteers?

Nogrod · 05-07-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Celuien

The Panman and I are also welcoming children/eligible young maidens to our family.

Actually, the image of our driving away suitors to our eligible maidens with one of his saucepans amuses me to no end, so I'll be quite disappointed if we end up childless.

Any volunteers?

Hey people, could you even dream of more weird parents? The always sensible Celuien, and the Spm? Hello! Just dramatically the most twisted parents you might have? Why don't you grasp your chance? (Were I not an old-timer with a family, I might have surely wanted to be their child)

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-07-2006, 06:46 PM

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Were I not an old-timer with a family, I might have surely wanted to ber their child

Why not - then Celuien and I would get to be grandparents.

Celuien · 05-07-2006, 06:51 PM

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Why not - then Celuien and I would get to be grandparents.

Yes, why not?

Diamond18 · 05-07-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Why not - then Celuien and I would get to be grandparents.

Really, really, really old grandparents.

And I fixed the mix up with Jenny's role. Oops.

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Hey now, it's not my fault I'm not part of a family. Every time I try to take out your jewel of a daughter, your wife starts swinging her battledore and screaming "You stay away from my Zali!"

Can't deny it.

We need some single people around to gang up on.... I mean, provide variety....

Edit: Though, come to think of it, Eomer is in the market for a brother, tp. And the thought of you two troublemakers as brothers just makes my fingers itch for the battledore.

Loki · 05-07-2006, 06:47 PM

I'm a leech-collector. There's a damned good reason as to why I'm single.

Diamond18 · 05-07-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

But these relationships are getting confusing. Any chance of a relationship chart, like a family tree? Perhaps Hookbill's artistic talents could be drawn on ...

I actually have software specifically designed for making family trees and genealogical records. Rad, huh? Of course, I'd rather just let Hookbill do something.

However, I did write up this handy little guide, because I was bored:

Nogrod + Diamond
- Lhuna (+ Eonwe)
- Firefoot
- Azaelia

Sleepy + Roa
- Caran
- Glirdan
- Lommy

Alcarillo + Cailín

Lalaith
- Oddwen, niece

SpM + Celuien (& JennyHallu, Celuien's sister)

Eonwe + Lhuna

Nilp + Spawn

Unattached and parentless so far:

Kath
Valier
Naria
Kitanna
Gurthang
Fea
Eomer (wants to be someone's brother or cousin and an old flame of Lhuna's)

Just plain unattached:

Mormegil
the phantom
Loki

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Noggie and I will welcome more kids if anyone wants.

05-07-2006, 04:35 AM	#1
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	My problem with not knowing roles at time of death, is that it makes it harder for non-Wizard players to participate in the game in a meaningful way. Non-Wizard players are of course going to be wizarding pawns to some extent, as the wizards have more knowledge and power than the rest of us. The shifting roles of players, the lack of any group behaviour by the wolves, is going to make it hard to make choices, votes etc that are anything but random, and having no identity clues at all after death is going to make that even harder. Oh and I have another question. If the good wizard already has a full quota of gifteds, s/he could presumably still scry a player at Night, in order to lift a potential werewolf curse. But if the scried player turns out not to be a werewolf, what happens then? Nothing? __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

05-07-2006, 11:30 AM	#5
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Well, phantom, as my father would say, we seem to be in violent agreement. (I end up in that alot....) We seem to agree that knowing tallies is enough information to play with while still being mildly ambiguous so as to require some level of thought. I imagine we can have even more fun discussing this on Day 1. And I'm more than ready for this game to start. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

05-07-2006, 12:19 PM	#8
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	I'd marry you Naria! But I'm not sure that's quite canon, plus Glirdy might attack you. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

05-07-2006, 06:47 PM	#14
Loki Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 31	I'm a leech-collector. There's a damned good reason as to why I'm single. __________________ My, that's a rather sharp piece of wit you've got there. Why don't you let me take that away from you before you cut yourself? Always judge a book by it's cover.

05-07-2006, 11:42 AM	#6
Cailín Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lurking in the shadows. Posts: 711	I'm with Azaelia on this one. Though I'm not sure what she's saying. But I totally agree.

05-07-2006, 12:17 PM	#7
Naria Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 500	sigh Always a bridesmaid, never a bride. Come on, does no one want me ? Am I really that scary? I won't bite.....hard