Of another world

[drigel]

Originally Posted by davem

Not sure this follows – the use of 'higher' in this context is possibly a bit misleading as it implies superiority – a 'higher' power etc. There's no reason to bring in a 'higher' mind.

Nor should there be a reason to deny a higher power. Except the absense of humility. Or, instead of asking: "..... from whose head did our primary spring from?", I should have asked "From whose loins did our primary spring from?" Higher Mind is misleading and not what I was striving for there. Power would be more apt.

Dont get me wrong, im just suggesting here.

Of course, I don't deny the possibility of such a 'being'. I've had experiences which could be labelled 'psychic' or 'mystical' (which, incidentally, I neither believe nor disbelieve – or even attempt to 'explain' come to that. They were simply 'experiences'. Quite possibly part of my particular 'delusion').

Or quite possibly a touch of something of a higher nature than yourself. Your "labels" might be substandard in describing the context of what you experienced.

[davem]

Originally Posted by drigel

Nor should there be a reason to deny a higher power. Except the absense of humility. Or, instead of asking: "..... from whose head did our primary spring from?", I should have asked "From whose loins did our primary spring from?" Higher Mind is misleading and not what I was striving for there. Power would be more apt.

Dont get me wrong, im just suggesting here.

I wouldn't deny the possibility, but I don't think 'belief' helps there. You can believe in any kind of 'higher power'. I think its dangerous to stray into the area of 'intelligent design' without more support than the 'God of the gaps'. I can't explain how the primary world came to be, but I don't think that's sufficient justification for positing a Creator.

Or quite possibly a touch of something of a higher nature than yourself. Your "labels" might be substandard in describing the context of what you experienced.

They might well. The danger is that you construct (or adopt) a very convoluted 'belief' in a 'God' to account for your experience. Just because you experience something doesn't mean you can explain it accurately. I & a man living 1,000 years ago both experienced seeing the sun on the eastern horizon at dawn, at different places in the sky throughout the day & on the western horizon at evening, but we interpret the experience in different ways. For him the Sun moved around a stationary earth, for me its the opposite. All I know is what I actually experience.

[drigel]

I wouldn't deny the possibility, but I don't think 'belief' helps there.

totally agree. but, if you replace belief with humility, I think it would help there

I think its dangerous to stray into the area of 'intelligent design' without more support than the 'God of the gaps'. I can't explain how the primary world came to be, but I don't think that's sufficient justification for positing a Creator.

Inteligent design for me is a mistaken approach. It's lost it's purpose by its very format. Good science, like good information cannot be competed with. I am not defending that strategy, but I dont science will ever fill all the gaps either.

For him the Sun moved around a stationary earth, for me its the opposite. All I know is what I actually experience.

Ahhh but you learned that. Your experience is tainted with what you have read (and believed) from a book. Unless you have a space craft that you havent informed me about, and havent invited me on board (yet).

[davem]

Originally Posted by drigel

Ahhh but you learned that. Your experience is tainted with what you have read (and believed) from a book. Unless you have a space craft that you havent informed me about, and havent invited me on board (yet).

Exactly my point. We both experience the same thing but interpret it differently according to what we know & what we choose to believe. We may both be wrong.

Of course you can come on my spacecraft. I will need a cheque for $10,000 first, though. I'll let you have the address to send it to if you're interested....