WWJ VIII ~ Things That Go "Quack" In The Night

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Cailín

I reckon it's only polite to look for a replacement when suddenly something comes up, instead of leaving a game where already two had left. I wouldn't base my suspicions on that.
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Well, the points made by Nogrod about Mith not being the Owl, I still think she had a more convincing case then Glirdan. It just made it all a bit more confusing for me .. which might have been your intention?

To the first one: yes, I totally agree with that. I only raised the question, whether there are other possibilities... We all can be looked from several different angles, and just have to see, which is the most believable one...

And to the second: Yes, it was my intention to make someone confused, who thought this was all wrapped and ready. With that kind of an effort, we stand very small chance to any intelligent duck here, as we have only two chances to get it right...

And btw., as I went throught the first days, there is something funny in the actions of Cailin (so not the non-Cailin... ) From the very beginning she quite firmly stands beside Morm. Then on the second day she kind of turns around, and suspects him quite a lot - but then again in #313 Morm is not at all suspicious! Our hawk was suspicious of her in #347. Just if anyone has time, please check this!

[Cailín]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And to the second: Yes, it was my intention to make someone confused, who thought this was all wrapped and ready. With that kind of an effort, we stand very small chance to any intelligent duck here, as we have only two chances to get it right...

I can only agree with that, I can't really base my opinion about the Owl / Goose thing on any hard facts but Mithalwen has been helpful throughout the game till the point where she died, while Glirdan didn't dream about anyone, maybe he was just afraid of guessing wrong about someone.

Nogrod has been put in a different light for me, because of the things the Saucepan Man has said about you. That said, I got some weird feeling about SpM, mainly by something Nogrod said.

As if it is their first actual gamenight's (night2) kill, we should really look for the one they would have liked to kill!

Wouldn't Saucepan Man's fame make him a likely target? He's a very good analyser. It's not unlikely that he was attacked and turned. Mithalwen said she dreamed about him the night before she revealed herself, so it is a possibility, if at least the Ducks turned him after Mithalwen's dream, which was the same night.

So Kath and Mormegil, it seems one of both will be the one dying tonight. Some interesting points have been made about Mormegil today, which made me suspect him more then I did yesterday ( yeah I do realise my opinion about Morm has been changing a lot .. ).

I'm gonna stick around for ~20 more minutes before making my vote, I'm still thinking on it.

[mormegil]

++Kath

Though when I die today please look at Kath and Nogrod most carefully tomorrow.

[Cailín]

It's 3:17 in the morning here so I'm not gonna stick around any longer
I'll vote for Kath as she didn't really convince me yet on her voting pattern, which is why I voted on her yesterday. And it does seem like Mormegil has been looked at from a rather bad view today, making him look worse then he is, but I might be wrong.. well goodnight, may the last voters make the right decision.

++ Kath

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, despite all the din and clamour of Kath and morm squabbling, I have been giving serious thought to the possibility that both may be innocent.

I am still working on the basis that Mith was the true Owl, since that seems the most credible scenario to me. And on that basis, I believe Valier to be innocent.

If Cailín is a Duck, then the substiution of non-Cailín and his ensuing quietness has served them well. But there really isn’t enough to go on. I have seen little otherwise to suggest that he/she is a Duck and so cannot, in all conscience, vote for him/her.

Nogrod concerns me because I think it quite possible that he was targeted by the Ducks on Night 2. Certainly, his approach seems to have changed after Day 1. He has been much less abrasive and sounded much more reasonable. Which, given his reputation, worries me. His raising the possibility of Valier being a Duck also worries me, as it is precisely what a Duck would do. Yet it’s not quite enough to merit a vote. Not today, at least.

And so I am back to morm and Kath.

I find most of morm’s points against Kath to be weak. The only real point that I can see against her is her voting record. But, on closer inspection, it looks decidedly non-Duckish. I really don’t believe that a Duckish Kath would have allowed herself to vote for someone other than the Duck that was lynched three days running. And, if a Duck, her best Day 2 vote would surely have been for spawn, who was almost certain to be lynched at the time she voted (post-Glirdan’s revelation).

The case against morm is far stronger. His flip-flopping over the Mith/Glirdan revelations (which seems a Duckish approach). His efforts to dissuade Mith from dreaming of him. His votes for spawn and Jenny (at times when they were almost certain to be lynched), calculated, I think, to gain credibility. His defensiveness throughout. His single-minded pursuit of Kath today and seeming refusal to seriously consider any alternatives. Together with the good points that Nogrod has brought up, this all, to my mind, strongly points to morm being our final Duck.

+ + MORMEGIL

[mormegil]

Well since I have three votes and my fate is decided I might as well let you all know that I am indeed....innocent. I'm sorry I'm not your last duck to provide victory but I will go to the gallows with my conscience clear and may Mandos accept me and keep me well.

[Valier]

Well since there is no hope of a double lynch, I might as well vote now..

++Kath

Since this may be my last night if we don't catch a Duck...Farewell all! (hopefully I'm wrong)

[Diamond18]

I'm going to end the Day early since everyone has voted.

Mormegil: III (Kath, Nogrod, SpM)

Kath: III (Morm, Cailín, Valier)

Death will be up shortly.