WWJ VIII ~ Things That Go "Quack" In The Night - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Kath · 04-29-2006, 02:05 PM

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If it hadn't been for your Nilp Vote... I would suspect you.. but at least you are consistent. So I think you merely misguided.

I think Lote is merely an inexperienced newbie. It served us well on Day 1. Let's give her the benefit of the doubt for now.

Mithalwen · 04-29-2006, 02:10 PM

I am quite keen still to vote for Jenny. Far too quiet and she has been around ..... But I haven't forgiven her for her comments about me so you might regard that as personal... But I can't stay much longer.

I will say if you bear with me, I will do my best with my dream if you can keep me alive tonight. But do try and get the a duck, you folks who have many more hours...

Mithalwen · 04-29-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kath

I think Lote is merely an inexperienced newbie. It served us well on Day 1. Let's give her the benefit of the doubt for now.

Yes Kath she is low priority - and I guess she knows Glirdan - and that sort of stuff can affect you I know...

Mithalwen · 04-29-2006, 02:32 PM

OK Guys.. I am going now... I would have liked to have heard the views of the other known innocents before voting. I have told the truth and everything I know or suspect. I am not as up on all the details of other people as I would like becasue of the amount of time I have had to spend on defence - others will be better guides for voting probably. I have found Jenny Hallu suspicious as well as unnecessarily offensive in her rather inaccurate analysis of me. So I may be wrong but ..... without Sleepy and Roa she is my top suspect ..I am unsure of morm but since I must give one the benefit of the doubt, I will go with the person who at least showed me some respect.

++JennyHallu

Anguirel · 04-29-2006, 02:38 PM

I endorse Mith's choice of Jenny-alas for my swift vote. It seems a sensible and likely compromise.

Cailín · 04-29-2006, 02:42 PM

Sorry for not posting anything so far. I hope most of you read that I'm replacing Cailin for today as she couldn't make it, so please bear with me

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I'm more inclined to trust Mithalwen at this point then Glirdan, she made some good points. Besides I think Glirdan made it quite obvious he's not the Owl by saying:

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Besides, there's so many cases against me, all of which are completey valid, that I really see no hope in me being able to get out of it.

I'm going for now, not feeling too well so I'll have to vote now.

++JennyHallu

I'm sorry I couldn't hear her defend herself but she decided to trust Glirdan and attacked Mithalwen so that made her suspicious for me.

Again, I hoped to be a bit more part of the discussion but I'm feeling rather sickly at the moment

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Nogrod · 04-29-2006, 03:30 PM

I don't like the idea of lynching Glirdan tonight - as we still have some doubts in this Owl-thing. I'm all for believing Mith, but still. I think it's best, if both of them are alive tomorrow. The nightingale should protect Mith, that's for sure - I think.

What comes to the dream, I would like to find Morm out. I've been suspecting him from the first stage of day2 onwards. But my suspicions are lightly grounded, and he would be an asset, if proven innocent.

That leaves us the question about the lynch of this evening. It would be nice to not be forced to lynch anyone just now, but the rules demand us a lynch.

Jenny seems to be gathering some votes. I would be the first to suspect her in normal situations, but now, she has played so abnormally, that I don't know, what to make it.

I'll have to go back to all these posts in here and come out again. And sorry, I have been quite subdued today, but that's RL (a day with my children - even a WW-game can't surpass being with them...

).

mormegil · 04-29-2006, 04:31 PM

As I stated earlier I would like to hear from JennyHallu prior to voting for her, my guess is that she is our last Duck and is hoping that by being silent today we 'forget' about her. I will vote for her if she does not show up but I would like to hear from her.

Mith, if you must dream of me, dream away, but if my two cents is desired I would say dream of Kath.

Nogrod · 04-29-2006, 04:41 PM

Surely, there is a possibility of Mith being the last duck. Then we would have been misguided guite nicely by her! If she is a duck, she would know the innocents, and then by revealing Spm, me & Ang would gain credibility in our eyes - and hope that we would then persuade others to believe her innocence... That's a scenario worth noting. Even though I understand her (possible) distress yesterday (noting the probable similarities you face as being a duck or an owl), and the situation with time-zones etc.

So Mith is either a duck or an owl? Otherwise she couldn't have hit the innocent-revealments right (as I believe, she did - knowing mine, and believing stronly the cases of Spm & Ang).

But how about Glirdy? If he is the owl or a goose, our lynch wouldn't tell that. It would only show his duckness / nonduckness. That's why I think we should have them both around tomorrow - with their claims of a dream both (maybe Glirdy now has time to dream?

). That means not indefinitively. We might have a situation, where lynching one of them would be wise (remember the case Spawn - no-one I think really believed her to be a duck after all, but it was a good case to test the different claims).

So tonight's lynch? I'll try to have some grounded opinions in an instant - but can't promise, I can deliver that promise.

EDIT: X-posted with Morm

mormegil · 04-29-2006, 04:52 PM

No we shouldn't lynch either, while there is still exist a possibilty, even though it may be slight, that one or the other is an owl. The Ducks, most likely, will kill them when the time comes but we are in the business of Duck hunting. We really should focus on those whom look most supicious, that includes me obviously. Anybody who is not a known innocent is a potential lynch candidate with the exception of, Glirdan and Mith.

Nogrod · 04-29-2006, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mormegil

No we shouldn't lynch either, while there is still exist a possibilty, even though it may be slight, that one or the other is an owl. The Ducks, most likely, will kill them when the time comes but we are in the business of Duck hunting. We really should focus on those whom look most supicious, that includes me obviously. Anybody who is not a known innocent is a potential lynch candidate with the exception of, Glirdan and Mith.

I don't see, how you can disagree with me by being of the same opinion?

But here is something I have picked up...

So who do we have in the village by now?

Mithalwen – self-revealed Owl
Anguirel – innocent by Mith
Nogrod – innocent by Mith
Saucepan Man – innocent by both Mith and Glirdy

Glirdan – self-revealed Owl (revealing Duck-Spawn)

Mormegil - unknown
Valier - unknown
Kath - unknown
”Non-Cailín” - unknown
Lote22 – unknown
JennyHallu – unknown

As I said earlier, I would like to see Morm as our dream, and Mith as the protected one. That’s of course the choice of the gifteds.

And the tally?

Ang --> Morm (Morm1)
Lote --> Mith (Morm1, Mith1)
Mith --> Jenny (Morm1, Mith1, Jenny1)
Non-Cailin--> Jenny (Morm1, Mith1, Jenny2)

Kath · 04-29-2006, 05:02 PM

Ok, let me try and have a think about this.

1) Mith is the real Owl and Glirdan is the Goose - therefore we must assume Nogrod, Ang and SPM are innocent.

2) Glirdan is the real Owl and Mith is the Goose - therefore we assume SPM is innocent.

3) Neither is the Owl, one is the Goose and one an innocent - therefore no one has been proved innocent.

The most likely of these (to me) is the first one.

This means that the list of knowns is:
SPM
Nogrod
Ang
Mith

Unknowns:
Glirdan (Goose, Duck or innocent?)
morm
Valier
Kath
Cailin
Lote
Jenny

Out of that list I personally consider Lote innocent, because of that newbie vote for Nilp the first Day. Her vote for Mith toDay is a little disconcerting but I still think benefit of the doubt status should be given.

The one I want to know about the most is morm. This is not unusual for me, and I would rather it be done via a dream than a lynch as if he is innocent he could be a great help in future Days. However, as of this moment I am not suspicious enough of anyone else (except Glirdan) to consider voting for them, and so my vote will most likely go to morm toDay.

I agree though with not trying to lynch either Glirdan or Mith toDay. We can't risk losing the real Owl when they still have this chance to dream.

04-29-2006, 02:10 PM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I am quite keen still to vote for Jenny. Far too quiet and she has been around ..... But I haven't forgiven her for her comments about me so you might regard that as personal... But I can't stay much longer. I will say if you bear with me, I will do my best with my dream if you can keep me alive tonight. But do try and get the a duck, you folks who have many more hours... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

04-29-2006, 02:32 PM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	OK Guys.. I am going now... I would have liked to have heard the views of the other known innocents before voting. I have told the truth and everything I know or suspect. I am not as up on all the details of other people as I would like becasue of the amount of time I have had to spend on defence - others will be better guides for voting probably. I have found Jenny Hallu suspicious as well as unnecessarily offensive in her rather inaccurate analysis of me. So I may be wrong but ..... without Sleepy and Roa she is my top suspect ..I am unsure of morm but since I must give one the benefit of the doubt, I will go with the person who at least showed me some respect. ++JennyHallu __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

04-29-2006, 02:38 PM	#5
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I endorse Mith's choice of Jenny-alas for my swift vote. It seems a sensible and likely compromise. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

04-29-2006, 03:30 PM	#7
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I don't like the idea of lynching Glirdan tonight - as we still have some doubts in this Owl-thing. I'm all for believing Mith, but still. I think it's best, if both of them are alive tomorrow. The nightingale should protect Mith, that's for sure - I think. What comes to the dream, I would like to find Morm out. I've been suspecting him from the first stage of day2 onwards. But my suspicions are lightly grounded, and he would be an asset, if proven innocent. That leaves us the question about the lynch of this evening. It would be nice to not be forced to lynch anyone just now, but the rules demand us a lynch. Jenny seems to be gathering some votes. I would be the first to suspect her in normal situations, but now, she has played so abnormally, that I don't know, what to make it. I'll have to go back to all these posts in here and come out again. And sorry, I have been quite subdued today, but that's RL (a day with my children - even a WW-game can't surpass being with them... ). __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

04-29-2006, 04:31 PM	#8
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	As I stated earlier I would like to hear from JennyHallu prior to voting for her, my guess is that she is our last Duck and is hoping that by being silent today we 'forget' about her. I will vote for her if she does not show up but I would like to hear from her. Mith, if you must dream of me, dream away, but if my two cents is desired I would say dream of Kath. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

04-29-2006, 04:41 PM	#9
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Surely, there is a possibility of Mith being the last duck. Then we would have been misguided guite nicely by her! If she is a duck, she would know the innocents, and then by revealing Spm, me & Ang would gain credibility in our eyes - and hope that we would then persuade others to believe her innocence... That's a scenario worth noting. Even though I understand her (possible) distress yesterday (noting the probable similarities you face as being a duck or an owl), and the situation with time-zones etc. So Mith is either a duck or an owl? Otherwise she couldn't have hit the innocent-revealments right (as I believe, she did - knowing mine, and believing stronly the cases of Spm & Ang). But how about Glirdy? If he is the owl or a goose, our lynch wouldn't tell that. It would only show his duckness / nonduckness. That's why I think we should have them both around tomorrow - with their claims of a dream both (maybe Glirdy now has time to dream? ). That means not indefinitively. We might have a situation, where lynching one of them would be wise (remember the case Spawn - no-one I think really believed her to be a duck after all, but it was a good case to test the different claims). So tonight's lynch? I'll try to have some grounded opinions in an instant - but can't promise, I can deliver that promise. EDIT: X-posted with Morm __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

04-29-2006, 04:52 PM	#10
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	No we shouldn't lynch either, while there is still exist a possibilty, even though it may be slight, that one or the other is an owl. The Ducks, most likely, will kill them when the time comes but we are in the business of Duck hunting. We really should focus on those whom look most supicious, that includes me obviously. Anybody who is not a known innocent is a potential lynch candidate with the exception of, Glirdan and Mith. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

04-29-2006, 05:02 PM	#12
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Ok, let me try and have a think about this. 1) Mith is the real Owl and Glirdan is the Goose - therefore we must assume Nogrod, Ang and SPM are innocent. 2) Glirdan is the real Owl and Mith is the Goose - therefore we assume SPM is innocent. 3) Neither is the Owl, one is the Goose and one an innocent - therefore no one has been proved innocent. The most likely of these (to me) is the first one. This means that the list of knowns is: SPM Nogrod Ang Mith Unknowns: Glirdan (Goose, Duck or innocent?) morm Valier Kath Cailin Lote Jenny Out of that list I personally consider Lote innocent, because of that newbie vote for Nilp the first Day. Her vote for Mith toDay is a little disconcerting but I still think benefit of the doubt status should be given. The one I want to know about the most is morm. This is not unusual for me, and I would rather it be done via a dream than a lynch as if he is innocent he could be a great help in future Days. However, as of this moment I am not suspicious enough of anyone else (except Glirdan) to consider voting for them, and so my vote will most likely go to morm toDay. I agree though with not trying to lynch either Glirdan or Mith toDay. We can't risk losing the real Owl when they still have this chance to dream. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”