WWJ VIII ~ Things That Go "Quack" In The Night

[Mithalwen]

I'm tired, hormonal, my blood sugar is crashing and I want to go home and eat and if noone is talking I may as well. Has anyone got else anything to say before I vote?

[Nogrod]

As the kind of European vote is getting nearer, we should try to get some things going... (We probably have two large voting cycles with these "deadlines")

I just watched out for a totally different thing from what we have mainly been discussing about - and possibly insignificant, as there is time still - but anyhow.

Untill now:

Glirdy has posted twice, saying nothing (the first posts of the day, so can't blame him on that)

Nilp has made only a self-vote.

Kath has made one "catching the rainbow -thing and explained the past of her, Morm & Sauce.

Sleepy has posted once, saying he will vote randomly.

Elu has posted once, just checking in.


Lalaith has posted twice, being very careful not to say much of this or that.

Jenny & Valier have posted little, but taken some stances...

The others, I think, have posted somewhat decently.

But as I said, there is time still...

[Mithalwen]

Ah Nogrod, dear, we must stop meeting like this!!!

Well I must vote shortly or I won't be in a fit state for anything.

OK I am disregarding for now anyone who hasn't posted a lot or at all eg Nilp, Lote, Elu, Sleepy, Jenny, Glirdan. This is the major disadvantage of the timezone thing in that they may come and post a shed load of interesting stuff the moment I have gone. If they don't well there is time to wait and see if there is a suspicious pattern. Also there is a chance that the ducks would pick on a quiet or silent innocent for tonights victim as it will give us few clues.

Lalaith and Cailin (apart from the odd statement I pointed out earlier) seem to be posting sensibly - can't judge if they are behaving normally.

Valier and Morm.... seem OK so far from what I know of them on what I have read so far and Nogrod is definitely his usual self. If he is pullling that trick as a first time wolf then he is playing a blinder.

Ang, not worrying me yet but he has fooled me before ... then everyone fools me - I have picked a wolf once since game 1 and then I had a choice of 2

I did pick a "cobbler" though and the same person is worrying me again for the same reasons. It worries me when peopel I know aren't stupid act stupidly. Saucepanman isn't ringing true to me. Neither is Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant yes they are the people who picked on me. But you see I know I am innocent so the fact that 2 people who said (in posts 12 and 16) that we should make serious efforts to find the ducks find me suspicious for a fine semantic distinction and my habitually excessive punctuation creep me out.

Roa I forgive because she has also supected the SpOrc.... Ok one last look then I vote.


NB cross posted with everything since Nogrod's 65. ALso I haven't totally forgiven Roa...

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by mormegil

First, elves are not Tarks

Doh! I was confusing tarks and bloody-handed Elves. You are either the latter, or something with feathers that swims in water …

Originally Posted by mormegil

Now to get this out of the way, hopefully, I suspect both Kath and SpM of Duckery and say they should hang.

Really, morm, I would have expected you to make your traditional random accusations against villagers who perhaps don’t know you as well as Kath and I. That might have been more productive. Perhaps you are trying to feign standard behaviour without actually achieving anything of use …

With regard to the spat between Roa and Nogrod, I obviously see far more merit in Roa’s position. Possibly, she is a clever Duck merely prolonging the pointless discussion so as to divert us all from our task in hand. But, just as likely, she is genuinely trying to repair the damage that these Owl speculations have given rise to, as I have myself done. Difficult to say. I don’t see her aggressive behaviour as being out of character. It looks pretty standard to me. But I would like to see more in the way of helpful analysis from her, rather than merely argument about something that should never have become a central point of discussion in the first place.

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Long and insubstantial post from SpM

Mithalwen!!!!! (I’ll see your exclamation marks and raise you one ). That was my first post, when little of use had been said or done. I hope that I have been more helpful since. And I hope that you are not trying to spread suspicion on me on the basis of my first (largely “in-character”) post …

Some quick further thoughts on the others before I go. Anguirel, dancing spawn and (after her first post) Cailín, all seem to me to be being helpful and constructive. That is as I would expect, and I have no reason to view them as suspicious for now.

I would like to hear more from Lalaith, Glirdan, Sleepy and Jenny, none of whom have offered much of use so far and all of whom are capable of more.

I mentioned my suspicions of Nilp and his self-vote earler, and they hold.

And I am rather concerned over the piecemeal offerings from Kath, Valier and Elu Ancalime. Speak up, you three! It may be Day 1 and fully reasoned analysis may be difficult, if not impossible. But surely you have something more to say. Only the Ducks have anything to gain from remaining silent today.

And have we heard from Lote22 yet? I think not.

I think that's everyone.

My dinner table calls. Back later with more thoughts.

Edit: Cross-posted with a few there. But now I really do have to go. Back in about an hour.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

With regard to the spat between Roa and Nogrod, I obviously see far more merit in Roa’s position. Possibly, she is a clever Duck merely prolonging the pointless discussion so as to divert us all from our task in hand. But, just as likely, she is genuinely trying to repair the damage that these Owl speculations have given rise to, as I have myself done. Difficult to say. I don’t see her aggressive behaviour as being out of character. It looks pretty standard to me. But I would like to see more in the way of helpful analysis from her, rather than merely argument about something that should never have become a central point of discussion in the first place.

Spm. before you go on just disrepute away a discussion, I hope you would pay heed to my post #70 and come up with some real arguments. I said it earlier: the ducks will gain from rhetorics, personal authority, throwing things off as self-evident etc. We villagers have nothing to lose, if we bring forward arguments and try to see, how they hold. We can share them, and the ducks just have to follow... If they are bold, the ducks would act just like you do.

And really Spm., read #70 before you answer this... You might be a romantic, believing in the all powerful Owl on our side (I hope we have one, but as I don't know, I'd like to help her/him out as much as I can), beating all the three ducks in solitary pondering - or then you are a duck yourself, trying to hinder the discussion meant to help us good guys.

This is not a question of just pure opinion, or feeling - or self-evidency.

[Mithalwen]

OK I have decided. I guess I am always inclined to expect the law of averages to assert themselves and make SpM guilty. I will hang fire. And he his showing more of hte expected sophistry in his posts I am aware this will look like spite voting - and I would have resisted it for that reason alone save for this post .

How come that someone who has read the rules enough to comment on the goose (and is that really the biggest problem? Surely when someone who has been acting like a duck, turns out not to be a duck when they die, we can probably assume that the goose is dead?) not be able to work out that the Ducks may not PM during the day? Seems to me a question someone would ask to try and suggest that they don't know because they aren't a duck. Therefore I think she is a duck.

++Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant

NB I have just checked before posting - and seen SpM's latest post which I find somewhat reassuring .

I really have to go and have no reason to change my mind. Obviously those who can stay to the end may find reason not to agree with me .

Choose wisely.

[Nogrod]

Just a time-zone issue (as the TiG -thread is full of discussion about lmp's game, I take the liberty of stating it here).

The deadline here in Finland (meaning me and Spawn) is 6AM. So you might get some early votes from the two of us - of course I don't know Spawn's normal schedule...

I have early work tomorrow, and would anyhow have to wake up at 6AM. So I think I'm going to try and get up around 5.30 (or something) to see in to the situation, and vote only at the last minute. Mostly due to the fact, that by now, I haven't got the faintest to go after.

Roa has been suspectively loud and accusing... Spm writes with reason, but twists that somewhat in uneasy ways (ducklike reasoning?). But I really wouldn't like to start trying a case on these two, at least today. As innocents, they would be great assets to us all.

So I might go and review this "not-posting" -section of mine (#65), and see, whether anyone stands there at the time... or whether there has been any enlightenmet otherwise. And I hope, you American-ordos find out the first duck during my sleep, and I just vote for her/him...

PS. Will be hanging around for a short time still, but retiring soon...

[mormegil]

*sigh* I merely try to help and knew it would go wrong by those who always find fault. SpM you want random accusations? Why? I don't always do them. Plus what's wrong with shaking my style up a bit?

I'm not entirely sure what to make of Kath. Mith brings up great points against Spawn but I may give her the benefit of the doubt. Nogrod makes me look silent in comparison. Anguriel dislikes me because he thinks I'm the goose *honk* I mean that's just silly.

Now Nilp is generally unhelpful on Day 1 and if his desire is to die I may encourage it though he may not be a duck I think it's possible. How are we to know if he continually votes for himself, and as was pointed out, would do so this time to avoid suspicious.

I do agree that there's so much chat at times that it's difficult to stay caught up.

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Morm

Now Nilp is generally unhelpful on Day 1 and if his desire is to die I may encourage it though he may not be a duck I think it's possible. How are we to know if he continually votes for himself, and as was pointed out, would do so this time to avoid suspicious.

I agree on this point. How, oh how, will we ever know when he is a bad guy? It makes me leary. I am so unsure who to vote for yet, but the day is still young (for me anyways) So I will wait till way later before I commit to a vote.

[Kath]

Yes sorry for my lack of talking today, I will pop the reason for it on the other thread. I was sort of in and out but had no opportunity to make any significant posts.

I will try to catch up now so excuse further silence for a little longer!

[Lalaith]

Lote22 has indeed not yet posted, nor has she been seen on the Downs for a week. I hope she hasn't forgotten about the game...perhaps someone *cough Glirdy* could give her a nudge.

Saucie, Nogrod, I'm sorry you haven't found me helpful. I thought my point about ducks laying false death trails was quite a good one, oh well...as for who I shall vote for, I don't yet know but shall, with bedtime looming, have to make up my mind shortly.
I am veering towards Nilp - as tradition or no, I don't approve of suicide and find it singularly unhelpful under the current circumstances. It is also a good mask to hide behind.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Saucie, Nogrod, I'm sorry you haven't found me helpful. I thought my point about ducks laying false death trails was quite a good one, oh well...as for who I shall vote for, I don't yet know but shall, with bedtime looming, have to make up my mind shortly.

What I actually said, was:

Lalaith has posted twice, being very careful not to say much of this or that.

Which is in no way a dismerit on what you said, but as you seemed to be very eager to downplay all the thoughts you were bringing forwards (it might be this... on maybe then not), I think it deserves the mentioning: being very careful not to say anything...