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Nogrod · 04-13-2006, 03:41 PM

EDIT: Removed... because of a "quote" command using -mistake.

Now as a post #62
(The earlier vote-count is lost already - that shouldn't be a major concerns, as there was just the count))

Sorry.

JennyHallu · 04-13-2006, 03:43 PM

Yeah, and I think it's spread enough. I need to vote now, and I'm going to vote for

++Diamond18

Just not enough substance.

Roa_Aoife · 04-13-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Farael

Also, I'd like to announce that the deadline is 6PM Central Time, 12 AM GMT.

Okay, just clearing this up- due to Day-light Savings Time, Central time is now at -5 GMT, so 6 pm CT is 11pm GMT.

Nogrod · 04-13-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Okay, just clearing this up- due to Day-light Savings Time, Central time is now at -5 GMT, so 6 pm CT is 11pm GMT.

If it is so, it would be very interesting to know, which one of those times does count! So are we ending the day at 6PM CT (which is 11PM GMT) or at 12PM GMT (which is 7PM CT)?

In short: have got an hour or two left today, as it is now coming 10PM GMT (check the reference from the time this one is posted)?

Findëasëa · 04-13-2006, 03:59 PM

++Glirdan

His posts had very little substance. He was also quick to choose a random vote and explain away his lack of posts.

Nogrod · 04-13-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Findëasëa

++Glirdan

His posts had very little substance. He was also quick to choose a random vote and explain away his lack of posts.

Please bold your vote!

Farael! I think you should count this anyway...

Kitanna · 04-13-2006, 04:38 PM

The people who have been voted for are pretty spread out it looks like.
Roa~ What Spawn said against Roa made sense, but it's not enough for me to vote for her myself.
Diamond~ Her behavior has been noted as odd today. She stated earlier she is pretty much enjoying her in character oppurtunites of day one. For today I'm going to just let that slide, but if it continues into tomorrow...
Glirdan~ Don't really have an opinion on him. I don't find him overly suspicious in any way.
Jenny~ Same as Glirdan.
Sleepy~ I'm annoyed by Sleepy's vote for Jenny. He stated he was going to vote randomly and Jenny voiced her opinion about it. A rather childish way to vote. Sleepy knew his vote was going to meet with disapproval, he has been pleading for us to let him stay alive. It would seem like far too wreckless a thing for someone to do, but past experiences have taught us wreckless actions mean little when it comes to werecreatures. Tempted to vote for him...

++ Sleepy Ranger

I don't even care if my reasons are bad. The plea for life (for lack of a better phrase) on Day one, before any suspicions had been cast on him is too much for me. It would appear to be foolish for a wereorc, but nothing ever seems to be too foolish in these games.

Diamond18 · 04-13-2006, 04:56 PM

Is the game ending in 6 minutes or an hour? Good god, I have come in very late (got very screwed up about the time) and I don't know if I have to quickly vote, which I don't want to do since I haven't had a chance to read all the posts. Please say I have an hour.

Farael · 04-13-2006, 05:02 PM

You do have another hour, read above

Why do I keep on talking in my own game? I love it though, I miss playing WW.... maybe I should join this game =P I bet you villagers would love that.

Sleepy Ranger · 04-13-2006, 05:04 PM

Caranlondien you should've voted for me.

Farael · 04-13-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Okay, just clearing this up- due to Day-light Savings Time, Central time is now at -5 GMT, so 6 pm CT is 11pm GMT.

Yikes!! Forgot about Day-light Savings Time..... ok, today will end 7CT or 12 GMT, just in case anyone made plans otherwise.... then we'll go to 6 CT which will be 11 GMT.

And by the way, Roa and Nogrod shall die tonight, becasue the mod is never wrong and those who prove him wrong are heretics

++++Roa
++++Nogrod
(no, my votes don't count, just ignore it)

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Farael! I think you should count this anyway...

Don't worry, I can do such choices myself

I messed up the timezones but other than that I'm not doing so bad....

Nogrod · 04-13-2006, 04:35 PM

Sorry: I messed around quite a bit!

I thought of updating the vote-list and then took it with the "quote" and not just painted it! Now my update is, where my earlier vote-count was! (and the earlier has gone away) I'll take it off, and repost the current one here.

Won't be making that mistake again!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod
Farael! I think you should count this anyway...

Don't worry, I can do such choices myself I messed up the timezones but other than that I'm not doing so bad....

I trust you in all you do!

But if we want to be clear about the situation, I hope we can count on that approval...

Azaelia of Willowbottom · 04-13-2006, 04:35 PM

As promised... The Analysis... Within the categories, there is no particular order.

Nogrod: He seems normal enough. Nothing that he's been saying is sending up any red flags.

Celuien: Logically pointed out that revealing dreams is going to get us "picked off one by one".

Diamond: Posts are chatty, cheerful, and in character...pretty much standard procedure for the first day...It wouldn't be a problem except that the majority of them are that way. I just don't see much substance. I'm willing to let it slide for now, being, as it is, the first day. It does earn her a place on the "watch me" list.

Glirdan: Is busy in RL, makes a random vote. I'm putting him on my "watch list", because as I said before, I really don't like random votes.

Caranlondien: Suggests that dreamers come straight out, which is flawed because it would be very easy for an Orc to have a dream about an innocent and then point them out as an orc. I like her later assesment that so little happens on day ones just because we all sit around saying that nothing can happen.

Roa_Aoife: I don't like the suggestion that a random vote is better than no vote at all. The truth is that neither is a good option, and I would personally prefer to abstain from voting than to make a random vote.

Kitanna: First post is strong and to the point. She makes some good points, and for now, I am not worried about her.

Findeasea: Has posted too little to really register on the radar for me. I'm content to wait, though I'd like to hear more from her as time goes by.

Grendelien: See above

Naria: And...wow. Another see above.

JennyHallu: Is logical and tries to move discussion along.

Sleepy Ranger: Without participating in the discussion at all, he can proclaim from his first post that his vote will most likely be random or safe. It sends up a flag for me. To just expect your vote to be random is to overlook some things that could possibly be staring you right in the face. So he goes on the Watch Me! list.

Dancing Spawn: Looks innocent and logical to me, at least for now.

Farael: Appearing from beyond the grave to make a (quite funny) post of nonsense on the subject of wraiths... Suspicious.

Just kidding.

Legolas in Spandex: Hasn't shown up yet. Where are you?

The following lists may be completely wrong, but hey, I have to start somewhere. The fact that only three people wound up in my watch me! category may or may not be suspicious. I won't be so bold as to claim that they are orcs as of yet, but I think that they bear watching, at any rate.

Leaning towards Innocent.
Me
Dancing Spawn

Watch Me!
Diamond
Sleepy
Glirdan

Hasn't shown up:
Legolas in Spandex

Don't know.
Caranlondien
Nogrod
Grendelien
Findëasëa
Celuien
Glirdan
Naria
Roa_Aoife
Kitanna
Jenny

Nogrod · 04-13-2006, 04:36 PM

After my being an idiot, here's the current vote, with my comments...

An update, considering Findëasëa's vote legal, due to her inexperience. I guess we all agree (well Glirdan possibly not, but... ) that interpretation?

Roa 1 (Spawn I)
Diamond 2 (Celuien II, Jenny VI)
Glirdan 2 (Roa III, Findëasëa VII)
Jenny 1 (Sleepy IV)
Sleepy 1 (Glirdan V)

Even though I have my suspicions on Diamond and Glirdy: they have played quite unsubstantially, comparing to their normal behaviour, and Diamond maybe somewhat weirdly, but I still just don't quite feel at home with this one. Well, who should there be in front? I don't know...

Happily we have some time left.

I would very much like to hear something from Diamond.

Caranlondien · 04-13-2006, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azaelia

Caranlondien: Suggests that dreamers come straight out, which is flawed because it would be very easy for an Orc to have a dream about an innocent and then point them out as an orc. I like her later assesment that so little happens on day ones just because we all sit around saying that nothing can happen.

I didn't suggest that dreamers come straight out; I said that the suggestion that dreamers come straight out was flawed... I think that's what you meant to say?

I'm torn about my vote. My gut instinct is for Diamond18 over Sleepy, because she's been talkative without saying much of substance. But that's really very little to go on... however, since it's Day 1 and there's no voting record to go by (and I'm not sure I'll be able to get back before time's up), I'll have to go with my gut.

++Diamond18

Azaelia of Willowbottom · 04-13-2006, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caranlondien

I didn't suggest that dreamers come straight out; I said that the suggestion that dreamers come straight out was flawed... I think that's what you meant to say?

My bad. Yes, that's what I meant. My apologies--I told you I wasn't feeling well

Sleepy, what's this? Channeling the famous Nilp, are we?

I'm going to have to vote now, and honestly, it's between Sleepy and Glirdan. I'm happy to give Diamond the benefit of the doubt for now. Her most recent post indicates innocence to me.

I agree with Kitanna that sleepy's move at the beginning of the day was a bit bold for a wereorc. But he and Glirdan send up equally red flags, for reasons I have discussed before.

I think I'll vote

++Glirdan

today. I have already expressed my reasons for suspicion of him, so I am going to act on it. My apologies, Glirdan, if you're innocent. It's the first day, and while this vote is based on actual suspicion (That I've already mentioned in my analysis before), there really isn't much to go on yet.

Nogrod · 04-13-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Azaelia of Willowbottom

Caranlondien: Suggests that dreamers come straight out, which is flawed because it would be very easy for an Orc to have a dream about an innocent and then point them out as an orc.

Kitanna: First post is strong and to the point. She makes some good points, and for now, I am not worried about her.

I wouldn't like to bring this to the fore again, but well. I just feel I have to (remember Jenny's point on me: fighting against a good idea...)

Anyone bored with the topic should run over this message. It is not intended as a general discussion topic at this hour.
So please see this point you make on Caranlodien (probably isn't her point, but mine, but anyhow, that's not the point, the argument is).

Yes, it would be easy for an orc to have a dream about an innocent and then to point her/him as an orc. But what then? We lynch an innocent and discover the innocence. Do you think, we will have any trouble finding the one to lynch the next day, as this deceiving has been revealed by the death of an innocent? The exchange ratio of 1:1 (villager vs. wolf) is more than good!

And to Kitanna's points. F.ex. Should the shaman reveal a dream s/he has gotten to her/himself? Of course not! That would be the stupidest thing to do! Or the second point about a villager having a dream about an orc, revealing it, and then be spared by the wolfs - and lynched the day after! Hello! If someone reveals an orc dream, then that orc will be lynched and we are one point nearer to the goal! Why should we run lynching someone, who has given us an orc?

The only problem here I see is an orc betraying a fellow orc, and thus achieving credibility by helping in the lynch of an orc. But I don't see, why we should be running to declare all the dreamers innocent? The dreamed-of's are innocent (or wolves, but known one's), not the dreamers.

But as I said much earlier, there are other problems in this plan (#34), and I don't support it any more!

Let's get back to today's bussiness... Just had to defend an idea from wrong accusations.

04-13-2006, 03:41 PM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	EDIT: Removed... because of a "quote" command using -mistake. Now as a post #62 (The earlier vote-count is lost already - that shouldn't be a major concerns, as there was just the count)) Sorry. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... Last edited by Nogrod; 04-13-2006 at 04:39 PM.

04-13-2006, 03:43 PM	#2
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Yeah, and I think it's spread enough. I need to vote now, and I'm going to vote for ++Diamond18 Just not enough substance. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

04-13-2006, 04:38 PM	#7
Kitanna Child of the West Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn Posts: 2,132	The people who have been voted for are pretty spread out it looks like. Roa~ What Spawn said against Roa made sense, but it's not enough for me to vote for her myself. Diamond~ Her behavior has been noted as odd today. She stated earlier she is pretty much enjoying her in character oppurtunites of day one. For today I'm going to just let that slide, but if it continues into tomorrow... Glirdan~ Don't really have an opinion on him. I don't find him overly suspicious in any way. Jenny~ Same as Glirdan. Sleepy~ I'm annoyed by Sleepy's vote for Jenny. He stated he was going to vote randomly and Jenny voiced her opinion about it. A rather childish way to vote. Sleepy knew his vote was going to meet with disapproval, he has been pleading for us to let him stay alive. It would seem like far too wreckless a thing for someone to do, but past experiences have taught us wreckless actions mean little when it comes to werecreatures. Tempted to vote for him... ++ Sleepy Ranger I don't even care if my reasons are bad. The plea for life (for lack of a better phrase) on Day one, before any suspicions had been cast on him is too much for me. It would appear to be foolish for a wereorc, but nothing ever seems to be too foolish in these games. __________________ "Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

04-13-2006, 04:56 PM	#8
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Is the game ending in 6 minutes or an hour? Good god, I have come in very late (got very screwed up about the time) and I don't know if I have to quickly vote, which I don't want to do since I haven't had a chance to read all the posts. Please say I have an hour. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

04-13-2006, 05:02 PM	#9
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	You do have another hour, read above Why do I keep on talking in my own game? I love it though, I miss playing WW.... maybe I should join this game =P I bet you villagers would love that. __________________ I prepared Explosive Runes this morning.

04-13-2006, 03:59 PM	#5
Findëasëa Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 63	++Glirdan His posts had very little substance. He was also quick to choose a random vote and explain away his lack of posts.

04-13-2006, 05:04 PM	#10
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,654	Caranlondien you should've voted for me. __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007

04-13-2006, 04:35 PM	#13
Azaelia of Willowbottom Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: By the Sea Posts: 446	As promised... The Analysis... Within the categories, there is no particular order. Nogrod: He seems normal enough. Nothing that he's been saying is sending up any red flags. Celuien: Logically pointed out that revealing dreams is going to get us "picked off one by one". Diamond: Posts are chatty, cheerful, and in character...pretty much standard procedure for the first day...It wouldn't be a problem except that the majority of them are that way. I just don't see much substance. I'm willing to let it slide for now, being, as it is, the first day. It does earn her a place on the "watch me" list. Glirdan: Is busy in RL, makes a random vote. I'm putting him on my "watch list", because as I said before, I really don't like random votes. Caranlondien: Suggests that dreamers come straight out, which is flawed because it would be very easy for an Orc to have a dream about an innocent and then point them out as an orc. I like her later assesment that so little happens on day ones just because we all sit around saying that nothing can happen. Roa_Aoife: I don't like the suggestion that a random vote is better than no vote at all. The truth is that neither is a good option, and I would personally prefer to abstain from voting than to make a random vote. Kitanna: First post is strong and to the point. She makes some good points, and for now, I am not worried about her. Findeasea: Has posted too little to really register on the radar for me. I'm content to wait, though I'd like to hear more from her as time goes by. Grendelien: See above Naria: And...wow. Another see above. JennyHallu: Is logical and tries to move discussion along. Sleepy Ranger: Without participating in the discussion at all, he can proclaim from his first post that his vote will most likely be random or safe. It sends up a flag for me. To just expect your vote to be random is to overlook some things that could possibly be staring you right in the face. So he goes on the Watch Me! list. Dancing Spawn: Looks innocent and logical to me, at least for now. Farael: Appearing from beyond the grave to make a (quite funny) post of nonsense on the subject of wraiths... Suspicious. Just kidding. Legolas in Spandex: Hasn't shown up yet. Where are you? The following lists may be completely wrong, but hey, I have to start somewhere. The fact that only three people wound up in my watch me! category may or may not be suspicious. I won't be so bold as to claim that they are orcs as of yet, but I think that they bear watching, at any rate. Leaning towards Innocent. Me Dancing Spawn Watch Me! Diamond Sleepy Glirdan Hasn't shown up: Legolas in Spandex Don't know. Caranlondien Nogrod Grendelien Findëasëa Celuien Glirdan Naria Roa_Aoife Kitanna Jenny __________________ "Wherever I have been, I am back."

04-13-2006, 04:36 PM	#14
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	After my being an idiot, here's the current vote, with my comments... An update, considering Findëasëa's vote legal, due to her inexperience. I guess we all agree (well Glirdan possibly not, but... ) that interpretation? Roa 1 (Spawn I) Diamond 2 (Celuien II, Jenny VI) Glirdan 2 (Roa III, Findëasëa VII) Jenny 1 (Sleepy IV) Sleepy 1 (Glirdan V) Even though I have my suspicions on Diamond and Glirdy: they have played quite unsubstantially, comparing to their normal behaviour, and Diamond maybe somewhat weirdly, but I still just don't quite feel at home with this one. Well, who should there be in front? I don't know... Happily we have some time left. I would very much like to hear something from Diamond. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...