Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIX: Ang Sagang Daga, bow.

[Kath]

Sorry TGWBS, I guess we were hoping you'd get yourself lynched!

Day 2 – Samwise
So, I just accused Lhuna and more subtly Form on the thread. Odd, no? Well, a calculated risk. It's early, and the accusation is unlikely to fly through for a lynch. Also, if any one of us is lynched it'll distance us from each other, which is a positive. Frankly, I think the post is more likely to endanger me than anyone else, but I did it and now we shall see if my masterplan works.

Lovers are Lhuna and Eomer, by the way!


Day 2 – Lhuna
Oh Samwolf...you really like living on the edge don't you? I almost fainted reading that! But you're right; it's a lame suspicion anyway.

Dear Eomer and me, Lovers? How I wish. Haven't you read my last PM?


Day 2 – Form
Agreed in principle, although I continue to speculate- for the fun of it for as much as anything else...

Actually, I really have to wonder if Cailín isn't a Lover, since it was her idea in the first place- Nilp merely appropriated it. That being said, Samwise must be the male lover since it is not I.

However, neither Samwise or Cailín are under suspicion (although I have cast a touch of suspicion in Sam's direction), so we needn't worry one way or another at this time.
Aye, there's the danger right now...

You and Lhuna are both under suspicion today- Lhuna seems to be having the worse load of it, hampered of course by her inability to defend herself until late- by which point it may be rather too late.

I hope that Lhuna doesn't end up the lynchee. The day is still young enough to swing another way. However, it is disheartening to note that no other prominent candidates are becoming prominent.

One good thing about Lhuna going, if going she does, is that it should help us keep Kath for another day.

I suppose the question is going to come up: if Lhuna looks liable to be lynched, do we save her or do we vote against her- and this applies to any dying comrade.

Well, in my own case, I will probably not cast a vote against her. I've given Lhuna the benefit of the doubt in too many games for this to appear unusual. It could also (since my vote will likely come quite late in the day) be construed as a Wolf-on-Wolf vote.

I will not, however, cast any vote that could save her. Sorry, sis, but that really speaks of Wolfish. At this point in the game, I can't risk that. I may, however, cast a vote either for Samwise or for Kath, so that if either of them is killed on a later date, I'll have some protection.

Samwise, however, if I may counsel you, should definitely vote for Lhuna is there's a bandwaggon developing in that direction. You will, as the original persuader against Lhuna, getting Spawn to vote in that direction, will be looked at as almost definitely innocent. What's more, you'd look incredibly inconsistent if you didn't.

Kath, I won't try and give you any suggestions as to how to vote. If you vote for Lhuna, though, it'd be best to do it earlier, rather than late (I think your timezones would be advantageous here).

Lhuna- sorry about all the doom and gloom. I'm hoping you make it. If not, though, I'm sure you understand that we need to make full use of your death.


Day 2 – Samwise
Well, guys, this is great fun! I'm not joking! Seriously!

Form, kudos for your accusation of me post- I was mad and yet in pure admiration at the same time.

Lovers: It's not me! I'm less inclined to think Lhuna and Eomer now, but still they're my main suspects. LMP's #219 was interesting, don't you think? Maybe we have to reevaluate our relaxed attitude to the lovers? It's very difficult to say anything knowing there's a traitor in our ranks.

And as far as alliances during the day go: look at the title of the PM. Be calculating and cold- we're werewolves, guys! The less we act with allegiances during the day the less likely we are to be found out. However, also be careful. My Lhuna accusation has run and I really didn't expect it to. Now I need to vote for her, and she could well get lynched. That could be helpful or just bad. It is obviously very cold on my part, but I want to make werewolf history here and be the most brutal pack ever. It's dog eat dog, but so goes.

Don't do anything daft like saying: I know x and x are wolves, because that's just suicidal. Remember, we do want a WW victory!...Or rather, 3 of us do!


Day 2 – Kath
Do you think I can get away with voting for Eomer? I'm under so much suspicion today anyway, and he voted for me. I want to get this bandwagon going as he is just way to close on our trail, but this could seriously backfire on me.

Opinions please!


Day 2 – Samwise
My advice is don't. I think we wolfkin will scrape through today, and the longer we leave Eomer alive the more suspicious the village will grow of him. If we survive day three and he's still causing headaches then we could think about eating him, but I'd be a bit reluctant about that.

Lhuna, sorry about the vote, but I don't think you'll get lynched. Calculated risks, you know.


Day 2 – Form
Without having read the thread, I can't say for sure at the moment, but I'd say that a "retaliation" vote is something to avoid- they draw far too much attention to oneself.

Possibly more later... got friends over, and I need to vote.

See, this is why I blame Samwise for my early demise. Lhuna was the Lover and she did less damage!

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Kath

See, this is why I blame Samwise for my early demise. Lhuna was the Lover and she did less damage!

So I had nothing to do with it? Well, at least I tricked Naria into thinking I was the Seer I still think I should have played a Seer revelation... LMP would have dreamt of meand found me an ordo, but then the wolves would have killed me.

It would have been fun anyway, I had written one but I decided to delete it... silly me.

[Kath]

Oh you certainly played a part Farael! But you might not have needed to had Lhuna's traitorous head not been on the block as it was. At least not til later.

[Lhunardawen]

There. All my hatred towards Eomer for everyone to see.

We should have killed him earlier to convince Samwise that we're NOT the Lovers, especially since I think Samwise picked dancing spawn for the Night kill to frame me so much that I'll be lynched!

Then again, if we were the Lovers, I would have willingly sacrificed myself just to see him killed! Hehe. Kidding, big bro. I think.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You could try anything and it wouldn't work, Lhuna. I'm permanently one step ahead.

I do wish we could be allies once, though. Maybe next time.

I want to hear about Form and Sam's conversation on the next night.

[Kath]

Lhuna and I aren't finished yet Eomer! Night 3 PM's here. This was the Night we had a major problem, because Nilp's inbox was full and Samwise repped him but we weren't sure he'd see it. I can't remember quite what we did to let him know now but it may have involved repping Lhuna (who also had a full inbox) and hoping she'd get the kill across to Nilp. Definitely a confusing Night!

Night 3 – Samwise
Well, we survived. Shame that Eonwe went so early, but then we were staring down the barrel of a wolf getting lynched. Haven't read what I missed in any kind of detail, so I'll do that before suggesting a candidate for lynching.


Night 3 - Kath
3/4 of us were under a lot of suspicion toDay and Lhuna barely made it through. Had the Day gone on much longer I think she would have been in serious danger.

Which brings us to the kill toNight and behaviour tomorrow. What with the 'revelation' that Eonwe was innocent:

Kath - defended Lhuna and voted Eonwe.
Samwise - votes Lhuna having begun the suspicions against her.
Form - defends Lhuna and Samwise (ish) and votes Kath (oh thanks )
Lhuna - voted Eonwe.

Which leaves Lhuna and I with something of a problem as we both voted for an innocent and seem to be working together.

*sigh* I so, so want to kill Eomer. But I've been under suspicion from him all Day and after one comment from Ang as to me being wolvish led to all that scrutiny toDay I'm not sure it's such a fantastic idea.

But Eomer or Farael would be my choices toNight. They put me right in the spotlight and so might get people to stop concentrating on Lhuna so much. But some of the players in this game tend to trust my innocence and 'rational mind' so I might get away with it. What do you guys think.


Night 3 – Samwise
Ok, just a quick PM before I head out.

We shouldn't kill Eomer tonight, that's my thought. We should kill a female. Some of the villagers mooted the idea of culling one sex: we should show that we can scupper any plans they may make. Show them who's boss, you know?

I also think if we can manage to frame someone it'd help me get out of my Lhuna suspicion mode. If we go totally random then I can't credibly forget my suspicions of Lhuna without raising my profile, and we should exploit the fact that at present I seem to be the least suspected wolf.

Just thoughts. I'll be back in about 4-5 hours. Please don't rush the vote tonight.


Night 3 – Form
Agreed in principle. For the same reasons that Kath voiced, I'd be extremely wary of killing Eomer right now. I think Kath can pull through for a while yet- if we don't go pointing fingers straight at her.

That said, I'm also in agreement about the sex thing. Samwise and I are the less-suspected wolves. Let's keep that fact alive by not narrowing down the number of male villagers left to be suspected of being the Lover.
Stick with the Lhuna suspicion for now. It'll give you incredible credit with the village if she ever ends up lynched. That said, try and shuffle her into a second place candidate- find some other scapegoat. Unless, of course, her lynching looks imminent again, in which case you have to stick to your guns and help vote her out.

Now, since I should be proposing candidates for the lynch tonight, and since I have suggested we lynch a female, let's look at the list of them:

Lhuna
and Kath are on our team, so not someones to consider.

Cailín
Caranlondien
Valier
tar-ancalime
Celuien
Naria
Lalaith
Thinlómien

I would be highly surprised if there wasn't at least one of the Seers hiding on this list. That said, I have no idea who it would be.

For that reason, I'm interested- as usual- in lynching someone with no ties back to us, someone whose death will also deprive the village of a potentially dangerous, intelligent voter.

I'm suggesting Celuien then. I believe (but please correct me if I'm wrong) that she's never posted serious suspicions about any of us (minor ones may be dealt with- and I'm sure the village will manufacture its own "why did they think she was a Seer"? argument). Celuien normally survives for the greater portion of the game, and she's generally non-controversial (ie. not an alternatively suspicious candidate).

So, what do you think? Who knows- we may even get a Seer. I'm betting that they're playing it as cool as the Lovers- not so much as a hint- until one of them is dead. Then the other one will starting hinting (to preserve the record) or tell all outright.


Night 3 – Kath
Ugh, you guys just had to choose long names didn't you. Takes me forever to spell them all right

Back on topic:
Ok so we don't kill Eomer toNight. Can we kill him soon? Please!

Instead we kill a girl. And Celuien has been suggested, let's see. Form you're in her probable innocent list so that's good. She's a bit suspicious of me as she's following Eomer somewhat but doesn't want to look at me too hard because I haven't spoken much. Again good. She does point the finger at Samwise because of all his questions about the Lovers (watch that Samwise or you'll soon have villagers and wolves wondering about you). She says it's ramblings but if she's killed people will look back and wonder. Yes indeed in fact she voted for Samwise! Not so good.

In light of that I'm not sure that Celuien is such a safe kill. If Samwise thinks he can deal with suspicions that will be thrown at him then ok, but it's risky.

But if we are looking for a set up check out Gurthang's last post. 'Kath is handling things calmly, possibly making her an innocent' is the gist of it. If we kill him, it could perhaps make people wonder if the wolves killed him to keep suspicion on me. Might make Eomer think twice.

I realise I seem to want to get myself killed here. Apparently I like living on the edge as a wolf!

Oh and another thought (I'm sorry I seem to want to kill all the males toNight) was TGWBS. He doesn't really say much of any use because of this wolf masquerade. And he only really seems to be attacking Eomer, though he has suspicions of Farael and Gurthang too. Votes Eomer.

Well, make of that what you will. I'll be around a few hours yet.
PS: Lhuna has too many PMs again


Night 3 – Form
You, m'dear, need a computer that remembers the people you've PMed in the past.
Depends on the circumstances. Eomer is very talented at attracting suspicion. It may well be possible to kill him through the village. Furthermore, his continued existence looks good for you, since it suggests that you're NOT a werewolf.
You could well be right about Celuien. I still think her a good kill- a somewhat risky kill tends to be better than a perfectly safe one if you can pull it off, but I agree that it's up to Samwise.
Could well be the case... And Gurthang is another village who's track record suggests that it would be wise to kill him- just like Anguirel.
For that reason it's safe to leave him for now... he's not been dangerous to any of us. True, it would be good to kill him while he's still leaving no trails, but I'm inclined to leave him be for now. His suspicions of Eomer, especially, could help save you if Eomer is ever lynched. The village could well go for him rather than you.
My dear sis is too fond of her PMs, methinks- or else she corresponds with too many people...

Anyway, to candidates.

If we exclude Celuien, I'd say that Lalaith, Cailín, Thinlómien, or Dancing Spawn should be our targets. Naria, Valier, and Caranlondien have all been fairly quiet, rather random, and not particularly dangerous. They're all too easy.

Of the four prospects, I'd like to leave Cailín alive for the moment, since she's typically a magnet for suspicion if left alive long enough- although killing her would be fine if the others want that.

Lalaith is dangerous, if left alive. I'd like to remove her soon, because she's too smart.

Thinlómien has been attracting suspicion of late, so leaving her alive is okay, but I foresee her becoming an accepted Innocent in time. Killing her now would confuse the village a fair bit, I suspect.

That leaves Spawn. I'm really thinking we should kill her. This being Nilp's game, she's got a strike in her favour for being on the good side. She's also way too smart for her own good. Taking her out now, before she's had a chance to point at any of us, is probably a good idea.

So, to sum: I am against no one's being eaten, since no one has really cast a shadow on my reputation yet. I'd like to kill a female over a male, and Spawn is my first choice.

++ Spawn, for our late night snack.

I may or may not be on for much longer. If not, I probably won't be back until close to the deadline- if at all (big event at the Church tonight...). If not, kill whomever you like, and consider it done with my support. I'll try and hang around for a little while in hopes that either Kath or Sam are online.

Had to split this Night's PM's. Rest in next post.

[Kath]

Night 3 – Kath
Points received, understood and agreed with. I want to do a quick check on who spawn has accused/supported through the Days so far but I think killing her is a good move.


Night 3 – Form
Excellent!

I'll be around a bit longer... Completely forgot to do the day's end for Survivor...

Bloody memory!


Night 3 – Kath
Well, she's been a pretty ferocious attacker of Lhuna toDay, but so have a lot of people, so if Lhuna thinks she can handle it we're ok. But we likely have to PM Nilp before Lhuna appears, so I don't know whether we should subject her to this without prior knowledge.

Still, a problem only really arises if spawn turns out to be a Seer. In which case uh oh, as the village will believe she dreamt of Lhuna.


Night 3 – Form
If Spawn is a seer, then we want to get her now, Lhuna's death or no. One death would be sad, but acceptable. We need to catch the Seers before they've dreamed of ALL of us!

If Spawn is not a Seer, then I think we'll be okay... Lhuna's going to be in for a rough day tomorrow whether Spawn's dead or not.

If Samwise agrees, we have a wolfish majority, enough to go to Nilp with. If not... then we've got a problem.


Night 3 – Kath
Sounds very Loverish that Form, but I must say I agree. *sigh* OK, I'll be online til about 2am my time, if Samwise agrees between now and then I'll PM Nilp. If not, well, we'll figure something out.


Night 3 – Samwise
I was going to come on and suggest Spawn, in all honesty, so you have my support. Form is right: at present any of us (though moreso the ladies because of their suspicions) is expendable, so one wolfish death is not the end of the world.

++ Dancing Spawn Of Ungoliant


Night 3 – Kath
Cross posted with Samwise. Form you want to PM Nilp now?


Night 3 – Form
Okay then, I'll contact Nilp (and send the two of you copies).

Kath, I didn't even realise that it could be construed that way, but very well, take it as you will.


Night 3 – Form
Milord Melkor,

Your loyal servants of the 19th Loyal Werewolves wish to inform you that Operation Night 3 is underway. We shall be attacking the Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant installation.

Captains K-wolf, SamwolfGamgee, and Weredacil signing. The Lady Lhunardawolf being absent.


Night 3 – Form
Well, that just rips!

Nilp has exceeded his storage space!

Those Filipinos and their PMs!

Anyway, I've sent you two my rather silly PM, and I trust you'll get the word to him one way or another (I don't think I can even Rep him).

Off for the night,


Night 3 – Kath
I'll rep him and try PMing later, and I'll rep Lhuna if that doesn't work and hope one of them gets the message.


Night 3 – Samwise
I gave Nilp rep, telling him of our kill choice. But someone should keep trying to PM him
I'm off to bed now, guys, so don't rely on me to PM Nilp. We can only hope we can get hold of him.


Night 3 – Lhuna
I hope you're online, big bro; I'm sure Kath and Samwise aren't. Yet again my timezones had a hand in keeping most of your Night conversations from me. Please do give me an update...[/


Night 3 – Nilp
Sorry for my full inbox! As I said, I had very little time Saturday, not even time to clear my inbox.

I'm really sorry. It won't happen again (save on a Saturday. )

So yeah, killing spawn wasn't the smartest idea we ever had