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mormegil · 04-03-2006, 10:58 AM

Kath,

I don't know what to make of your plan. On one side it makes some sense, but of course needs to be the final decision of the seeker. On the other side it might be a fairly wolfish attempt to flush out the seeker. Let me explain.

Apparantly the cat and the protector thought of the same person last night. Logic would dictate that they both thought the spotted the seeker. This may or may not be true as I haven't been able to identify him/her yet. However if this is the case the cat will want no doubt as to who the seeker is, and as you pointed out he/she obviously hasn't dreamt of the last cat or it would be over. You do understand how I can see this as an attempt to flush out the seeker.

Let's assume Kath=Cat last night she selected person X to kill, whom she believed the seeker, the protector also spotted person X and believes him/her to be the seeker. I reread the rules and it is true that the protector can protect the same person for two nights in a row. Now the seeker proclaims him/herself today adn the protector protects him/her tonight. However Kath would not go after the seeker tonight but rather she would try to find the protector. Next night the seeker would be dead.

Now I trust the seeker to do what is right and make the best decision based on the information he/she has available but if you do come forward I beg you to dream of Kath tonight as it will either confirm my suspicion or make her a known innocent. But, after a request like that I think she is either a cat or a villager with a good plan. I cannot be sure of either.

Kath · 04-03-2006, 11:07 AM

morm your points are sensible though I, of course, refute the idea of my being a Cat.

And indeed, it has to be completely in the hands of the Seeker (sorry, was saying Seer before) which is why I explained what they would needed to have dreamt of to make this worth it and to stay quiet if they don't have enough useful information.

However, one of your points is odd:

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However Kath would not go after the seeker tonight but rather she would try to find the protector. Next night the seeker would be dead.

The Seeker would be dead the next Night IF the Cat managed to kill the Protector. Otherwise the Seeker would still have protection and be alive one more Night, giving us one more dream.

Formendacil · 04-03-2006, 11:29 AM

Well, what a quiet day... not another vote for me... I'm terribly disappointed, really. Where's the great big bandwaggon that was supposed to be transpiring to kill me?

Nice plan, Kath, but I see two flaws in it:

Flaw A.) I am not the Seer (or whatever it is that Valier has renamed it... I can't keep them straight), and so cannot reveal myself.

Flaw B.) The real Seer, whomever he or she may be, may have their own plans that you would be foolish to disrupt. In one of my distant past lives, I was a Seer myself, and I was most irked when a certain villager (one Mormegil, I believe) decided that it was in the best interests of the village to thrash around with ideas for the Seer to follow. The only good thing that came of it was that I had plenty of cover to hide behind. Hopefully, our Seer will have the same luck with all this hullaballoo.

Kath · 04-03-2006, 11:34 AM

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The real Seer, whomever he or she may be, may have their own plans that you would be foolish to disrupt.

Agreed Form, which is why I have left it entirely up to them.

EDIT: crossposted with morm and I understand now. That is a problem. I have to go now but I'll think about that.

mormegil · 04-03-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kath

The Seeker would be dead the next Night IF the Cat managed to kill the Protector. Otherwise the Seeker would still have protection and be alive one more Night, giving us one more dream.

You missed my assumptions. My assumption is that the Cat and the Protector identified the Seeker and both selected him/her last night. Now obviously the protector would protect the seeker again tonight, unless they played a dangerous game of bluff with the cat. Therefore both their protections would be used up and the next night the seeker would be open for a kill.

Diamond18 · 04-03-2006, 11:39 AM

I think Kath's plan is a good one. As a Cat I'm not sure how much this plan would benefit her, since she definitely wouldn't be getting the Seeker toNight, even if she managed to get the Protector. However since I'm not the Seeker, obviously, it's out of my hands.

One thing though -- why the need to lynch me? If you know I'm the Taker, you know I'm innocent, ergo killing me depletes you of one innocent and if I'm wrong about who I Take, that's two innocents. It would be better to just lynch whoever I would have decided to Take if I were to be lynched.

Unfortunately, this may be the last chance I get to make any contribution toDay, as I probably won't be around for the deadline. Please do not lynch me for any strategic reason, even if you know who the Seeker is toDay, because I will probably not be able to notify Valier of who I want to Take. The person whose name she has now may be innocent, may even be the Seeker. I most likely won't be able to change my Taken till toNight.

I would suggest that if this plan is followed, you leave me be. If the Seeker is revealed, the Protector can protect him/her toNight. If the Cat is smart, he/she will go after the Protector, and forget about even trying for the Seeker because we'll all know who's being protected. If the Cat guesses wrongly about who the Protector is, so much the better for all of us.

Kath · 04-03-2006, 12:59 PM

No I see your point Diamond, there would not be much point in lynching you other than to deplete the number of unknowns but that would also decrease the number of knowns.

morm I was thinking. Say the Protector and the Cat chose the same person and they happened to be the Seer. In that case, the Seer doesn't reveal themselves toDay and the Protector chooses Diamond to protect since they know she is not the Seer. Then the Seer can reveal themselves tomorrow and the Protector can protect them two Nights in a row.

The flaw there is that the Cat might get the Protector toNight in which case this entire idea is shot to pieces.

mormegil · 04-03-2006, 01:28 PM

Kath the problem with this whole discussion is that

1. It's far too speculative and either the Seeker isn't coming forward or is one that hasn't been around today

2. Has taken us away from the primary focus of searching for cats and you did it just at a time when I began to question you.

Kath · 04-03-2006, 01:43 PM

morm I simply wanted to know what people thought of the idea. I certainly wasn't trying to take attention away from finding the Cat because whatever the response to my idea we still have to try and lynch the Cat toDay. The plan was speculative and no it doesn't look like the Seeker is going to take it up, but it was worth putting the idea out there so that in future Days it can perhaps be taken up.

Also, you seem to be implying I thought it up to avoid suspicion from you. Ok, you want answers from me I'll give them, but you have to ask some. The only thing I feel I really needed to reply to was my pushing for the double death last Night because it was very out of character for me, but you specifically told me not to bother explaining that so I didn't. If you now want an explanation from me I'm happy to give it.

YesterDay Telp was going to die whatever the case. Her death would have told us nothing unless she was the final Cat. We had two people left on Nogrod's list that, though Valier had said was purely random, had already caught us two Cats. Whether random or not the track record was enough to make it worth finding out the identity of Lommy as well. Also, it is very likely that we would have spent toDay wondering about Lommy because she was on that list and I thought it would be better to rid ourselves of that confusion since we had the chance, so we could concentrate better toDay. Yes it was out of character as I normally despise double lynches, but on this rare occasion I thought it might actually benefit us a little.

Roa_Aoife · 04-03-2006, 02:15 PM

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namely my theory that all cats were defenders of the "random vote"..... and hey, two of the cats so far WERE.

But there were more people defending the random vote than Eonwe and the two known werecats. I understand a busy schedule, I have one too. But you should still try to post something of value or else not post at all.

On the seeker plan - I've seen it work really well before, (I was the seer at the time), but right now, I think the seeker should only reveal themselves if they find a cat or if they are about to be lynched.

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I beg you to dream of Kath tonight as it will either confirm my suspicion or make her a known innocent.

If we're making requests, I'd like to know about Morm myself. He's been making me uneasy this whole game. I was working on an analysis toDay, but I'm on a friend's computer right now and can't access it.

04-03-2006, 10:58 AM	#1
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Kath, I don't know what to make of your plan. On one side it makes some sense, but of course needs to be the final decision of the seeker. On the other side it might be a fairly wolfish attempt to flush out the seeker. Let me explain. Apparantly the cat and the protector thought of the same person last night. Logic would dictate that they both thought the spotted the seeker. This may or may not be true as I haven't been able to identify him/her yet. However if this is the case the cat will want no doubt as to who the seeker is, and as you pointed out he/she obviously hasn't dreamt of the last cat or it would be over. You do understand how I can see this as an attempt to flush out the seeker. Let's assume Kath=Cat last night she selected person X to kill, whom she believed the seeker, the protector also spotted person X and believes him/her to be the seeker. I reread the rules and it is true that the protector can protect the same person for two nights in a row. Now the seeker proclaims him/herself today adn the protector protects him/her tonight. However Kath would not go after the seeker tonight but rather she would try to find the protector. Next night the seeker would be dead. Now I trust the seeker to do what is right and make the best decision based on the information he/she has available but if you do come forward I beg you to dream of Kath tonight as it will either confirm my suspicion or make her a known innocent. But, after a request like that I think she is either a cat or a villager with a good plan. I cannot be sure of either. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

04-03-2006, 11:29 AM	#3
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Well, what a quiet day... not another vote for me... I'm terribly disappointed, really. Where's the great big bandwaggon that was supposed to be transpiring to kill me? Nice plan, Kath, but I see two flaws in it: Flaw A.) I am not the Seer (or whatever it is that Valier has renamed it... I can't keep them straight), and so cannot reveal myself. Flaw B.) The real Seer, whomever he or she may be, may have their own plans that you would be foolish to disrupt. In one of my distant past lives, I was a Seer myself, and I was most irked when a certain villager (one Mormegil, I believe) decided that it was in the best interests of the village to thrash around with ideas for the Seer to follow. The only good thing that came of it was that I had plenty of cover to hide behind. Hopefully, our Seer will have the same luck with all this hullaballoo. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

04-03-2006, 11:39 AM	#6
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	I think Kath's plan is a good one. As a Cat I'm not sure how much this plan would benefit her, since she definitely wouldn't be getting the Seeker toNight, even if she managed to get the Protector. However since I'm not the Seeker, obviously, it's out of my hands. One thing though -- why the need to lynch me? If you know I'm the Taker, you know I'm innocent, ergo killing me depletes you of one innocent and if I'm wrong about who I Take, that's two innocents. It would be better to just lynch whoever I would have decided to Take if I were to be lynched. Unfortunately, this may be the last chance I get to make any contribution toDay, as I probably won't be around for the deadline. Please do not lynch me for any strategic reason, even if you know who the Seeker is toDay, because I will probably not be able to notify Valier of who I want to Take. The person whose name she has now may be innocent, may even be the Seeker. I most likely won't be able to change my Taken till toNight. I would suggest that if this plan is followed, you leave me be. If the Seeker is revealed, the Protector can protect him/her toNight. If the Cat is smart, he/she will go after the Protector, and forget about even trying for the Seeker because we'll all know who's being protected. If the Cat guesses wrongly about who the Protector is, so much the better for all of us. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

04-03-2006, 12:59 PM	#7
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	No I see your point Diamond, there would not be much point in lynching you other than to deplete the number of unknowns but that would also decrease the number of knowns. morm I was thinking. Say the Protector and the Cat chose the same person and they happened to be the Seer. In that case, the Seer doesn't reveal themselves toDay and the Protector chooses Diamond to protect since they know she is not the Seer. Then the Seer can reveal themselves tomorrow and the Protector can protect them two Nights in a row. The flaw there is that the Cat might get the Protector toNight in which case this entire idea is shot to pieces. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

04-03-2006, 01:28 PM	#8
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Kath the problem with this whole discussion is that 1. It's far too speculative and either the Seeker isn't coming forward or is one that hasn't been around today 2. Has taken us away from the primary focus of searching for cats and you did it just at a time when I began to question you. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

04-03-2006, 01:43 PM	#9
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	morm I simply wanted to know what people thought of the idea. I certainly wasn't trying to take attention away from finding the Cat because whatever the response to my idea we still have to try and lynch the Cat toDay. The plan was speculative and no it doesn't look like the Seeker is going to take it up, but it was worth putting the idea out there so that in future Days it can perhaps be taken up. Also, you seem to be implying I thought it up to avoid suspicion from you. Ok, you want answers from me I'll give them, but you have to ask some. The only thing I feel I really needed to reply to was my pushing for the double death last Night because it was very out of character for me, but you specifically told me not to bother explaining that so I didn't. If you now want an explanation from me I'm happy to give it. YesterDay Telp was going to die whatever the case. Her death would have told us nothing unless she was the final Cat. We had two people left on Nogrod's list that, though Valier had said was purely random, had already caught us two Cats. Whether random or not the track record was enough to make it worth finding out the identity of Lommy as well. Also, it is very likely that we would have spent toDay wondering about Lommy because she was on that list and I thought it would be better to rid ourselves of that confusion since we had the chance, so we could concentrate better toDay. Yes it was out of character as I normally despise double lynches, but on this rare occasion I thought it might actually benefit us a little. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”