Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIX: Ang Sagang Daga, bow.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

dancing spawn of ungoliant can read minds.

This game will be transplanted to the Grimoire.

[Cailín]

Well, I did not really post my thoughts about how the Lovers worked out yet.

I do think that in principle, we could make them work. It was a bit unfortunate the Seers dreamt of Lhuna on Night 1 and since Lhuna always manages to attract early suspicion ( ) I doubt they would have made it to the end. Of course, this game was loaded with mathematics but we can mostly ascribe that to the double-lynchings. I do admit that the Lovers have quite a rough time and I don't see a Lover win happening anytime soon... but then, you never know.

The Oathsworn may work better, but I prefer keeping to the Lovers as Nilp used them. I am not even sure whether having two male or two female Lovers / Oathsworn would improve the odds for them. Well, I will ponder this some more for my own upcoming game. They definitely made an interesting and exciting addition to the village, though.

Wow… Spawn had it all figured out, I see. Absolutely unbelievable.

Nilp - I must say, I was both surprised and relieved you did not make me and Eomer Lovers (as I admittedly suspected you might ). We wouldn't have lasted a day, I am sure.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm all for keeping the Lovers as they are. They probably won't win a game, but if they do it will be the most glorious victory of them all.

[littlemanpoet]

Spawn:

So, Gurthang is an ordinary. It's good to know that. Maybe it would be good not to pay too much attention to him if he goes on about you and Eomer. As an innocent he will want an explanation, but ...

Depending on Samwise's behaviour, do you think it would be safe to make a case against him? If he's a wolf he might get scared and kill me the next Night (if I'm not already dead by then). It might be a good cover to slightly attack Gurthang, but then again if the one of us who has suspected him gets killed everyone will think that he's guilty and that would require the remaining Seer to step forward. Okay, maybe it wasn't a good idea.

I want to know if I'm alive before planning more.

LMP:

Oh well. So much for sixth sense. But good info nonetheless. Yes, go ahead and mildly attack Samwise. The villagers expect one of your typical posts of analysis; now's the time for it, if we're both still alive. I have to check that yet. Yes, mildly defend Lalaith and Gurthang and mildly question Lhuna now, I think. But not by clues; werewolves are looking for those. Rather, do it in the course of reasoned argument. That's probably the best way. Looks less like a sore thumb that way.

Lhuna has given us enough rope with which to get her hanged if we play it smart. "I was afraid Ang was a seer" and now he's dead. Just take away the flowery ww hiding adjectives.

I'm beginning to wonder if Lhuna and Lal aren't playing an insidious game. Lh's vote against Lal came long after it wouldn't do any harm.

Spawn:

Well, we have to be extra smart if we want to get her killed without risking either of us. I noticed that line, too. Does it mean that they thought Anguirel was a Seer because of someone that he suspected was a wolf or because of the way he talked..?

I'd like to observe for a while what directions the discussions take today before starting to make cases.

Hmm, Samwise slightly questions Lhuna. On second thought, maybe it's not a good idea to attack him now.

Lalaith defends Kath and defends herself against Lhuna's vote and my opinion that her vote was based on occupations. Why didn't she say anything of Cailín's vote? Okay, it was a 'random' vote, but why did she choose to answer me when I had just slightly suspected her among many other people? Was Cailín's vote for Lalaith prearranged...

Notice how most of those to gather votes are males? I just had a thought: what if all of the wolves are females. If that's the case, I'd say Kath, Cailín and Lalaith are guilty.

LMP:

I think you're onto something. I just (partially) read #140 by Lal, and I see her asking "what do you think"? She reminds everyone that werewolves can PM day and night. I had forgotten. So a coordination of not only votes but discussion points is well within possibility. I'm reading all of these four women's posts with a very critical eye before I speak up. Mum's the word.

Spawn:

I'm just making a post... "Mum's the word" like, we don't want to get our hands dirty by mentioning them?

Seriously, those ladies creep me out.

What do you think Valier is playing at? In her post #185, she italicized letters i, d, o, h, e and p, and bolded letters e, a and s.

All I can make out of that is 'I do a sheep'.

LMP:

By mum's the word, I mean don't hint that you're the seer. Always couch your real knowledge in rational language so that it doesn't appear seerish until after you're dead. At least, that seems the safest way to me.

Spawn:

Never mind about Valier, though. She changed the boldings; now it says that she doesn't eat sheep or something.

Do you think it would be safe to vote for Lhuna because I don't have that much time left now?

LMP:

With a well reasoned case, which I think Lhuna has provided us with already, I think it's quite reasonable to vote for her. Getting a werewolf lynched without saying we're the seers is the best we can hope for. I'll hold off voting for her for toDay unless she really comes out with something more substantively self-indicting. Good luck!

Spawn:

Okay. I try to find something that would incriminate her more to go with my vote. Good luck to you, too!

Just wanted to say that I think we can trust tar-ancalime and Eomer. They're suspecting the right people, aggressively, without our help.

I'm thinking that Lalaith or Cailín should be our choice tonight.

LMP:

Ack. In 181 tar-ancalime includes me in a list of three possible seers. Grrrr.

I felt that Lhuna had done herself enough damage that it was safe to vote for her too. This way, the werewolves have at least to pick between you and me.

I'm thinking that I really want to know about either Cailin or Lalaith; Cai seems the more wolvish of the two. My case against Lal has a look of being somewhat trumped up. I don't think Kath is the fourth werewolf. Unless she's being cannily quiet, which is not an impossibility; but the case against her that we have is very rickety.

Though Gurthang may be innocent, that doesn't mean he isn't the Lover. What has he said against our primary suspects? Anything?

I'm inclined to think that Samwise is likely to be innocent, since he voted for Lhuna.

I think Thin, Valier, and Naria are sort of off on a tangent, having to do with being more familiar with each other from WWJ.

tar suspecting Eomer looks honest to me. Celuien does too. I don't trust Formy.

Spawn:

We are thinking very similarly. But first of all: grrrrr! It was obvious that Eonwe was an ordinary. Hmph.

Cailín is worrying me the most now. She said that she sympathises with most arguments against Lhuna and then uses a whole paragraph to defend her. Besides, she seems more "wolvishly arrogant" than usual.

Cailín said: "Anyone else in favour of lynching another guy tonight? Rid the wolves of the male population and increase our chances of finding the Lover soon? Heheh. I bet the Ordo-Lover will vote for a female player tonight."

That was just really weird. Why would the Ord Lover vote for a female? Besides, that whole remark supports the idea that all the wolves are ladies.

Also: "I only just realised when reading back that I completely forgot to analyse Gurthang." ~Cailín

Are they lovers..?
She voted for Eonwe which was yesterDay's safe bandwagon vote. Lalaith and Lhuna voted for him, too.

Samwise is probably innocent, but could be a Lover if Gurthang or Form aren't.

I don't know what to think of Kath anymore. The fact that wolves can PM all the time makes it easier for them to build situations that look too risky for wolves to do while in fact, they've got it covered (like voting, for example).

Lommy's attack on TGWBS is somewhat weird, but I think that's because she's never played with Nilp (as far as I know). I think the Naria and Valier are innocent. When you look at the 'Who's posted' list, it's funny, how Cara has suddenly made it to the top three although she's saying little. I think she's innocent though because of her vote for Lhuna, but then again, it might have been orchestrated by the wolves.

TGWBS is much quieter than what I'm used to, but maybe that's because of the timezones.

Okay, I'll stop rambling now. I'm up for dreaming of Cailín. Is that okay with you, or do you think there's someone else who'd be a better choice?

LMP:

Cailin it is, unless you and I both already are pretty darned sure she's a werewolf. If not, let's dream her. Two werewolves to report is pretty good. If we're already pretty sure of her, then who?(we have all Night to work this out...)

Spawn:

If we both think that Cailín is a wolf, it would indeed be a possibility to pick someone else. Then again, it would be good to be sure of her, too.

Cailín has spoken much of other villagers accusing and defending them, so knowing if those words are spoken by a wolf or an innocent is valuable information, I think. I will PM Nilp that we choose Cailín. If we're still both alive next Night, I'll have better access to computer.

LMP:

I tend to think that we've covered our seerishness as regards Lhuna pretty well with good reasoning in every case; thanks to Lhuna for giving us so many opportunities. If they think one or both of us is the seer, and they're already feeling desperate, they'll try to kill one of us tonight. Desperate, because if they kill us, then the whole village knows one of us was the seer, and suddenly they take a good hard look at the people we've been accusing. They're in a difficult position. If they feel they need to cut their losses (namely Lhuna & maybe Cailin), they'll kill one of us tonight. If they're afraid to cut their losses, hoping we're not the seers (which would be sort of stupid or foolishly hopeful - been known to happen), they'll avoid killing us because killing us would definitely raise suspicion against Lhuna, Cailin, and Lalaith if they think we're not seers. So we're in a good position right now.

If one of us gets killed tonight, I feel the other needs to step up and say what we've learned. This is because if one of us is revealed as a seer, it's not that hard to figure out that the other of us is also. So that means that it's sort of approaching seer end game, depending upon how desperate the werewolves feel. What do you think?

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Spawn never got to respond to this last rather off-the-path stuff from me because she'd been killed. She did do me the honor of telling me this, though: "Shush! We're not supposed to PM anymore; but I know who the werewolves are."

Boy, did I feel dumb.

[Formendacil]

You know, it's hilarious reading these PMs, LMP... You two took yourselves so seriously!

Well, we took you seriously too, but we hadn't a blooming clue as to who you were! We killed Spawn, not because she looked like a Seer, but because we couldn't find a Seer, and we decided to get rid of the next worst thing: thoughtful analysis.

We hoped, of course, that we'd got a seer, but we didn't think so... We expected Spawn to be an innocent, and that we could make it look like Lhuna was framed.

Yeah, we were REAL smart, I know...

P.S. Kath, when do we get the rest of the PMs?

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by spawn

What do you think Valier is playing at? In her post #185, she italicized letters i, d, o, h, e and p, and bolded letters e, a and s.

All I can make out of that is 'I do a sheep'.

Brilliant.

Originally Posted by Northvictor

We hoped, of course, that we'd got a seer, but we didn't think so... We expected Spawn to be an innocent, and that we could make it look like Lhuna was framed.

And despite spawn's Seeing tendencies, I still fell for that.

[Kath]

P.S. Kath, when do we get the rest of the PMs?

You can have them now! I just needed reminding. Wow, we were pretty chatty Night 2.

Night 2 – Lhuna
Not much time; I'll be brief.

I think we did a pretty good job toDay. A few suspicions were thrown our way, but for now I think we're safe. We'll just have to properly defend ourselves the next Day if they get to be more serious than they seem.

I think we should make Elempi our Nightly meal. He's being too sensible and frank, it's scary. A lot of other ideas come to mind too, and we have a lot of time to talk about them toNight.

I'll see you around under the light of the Full Moon, fellow wolves.

*howls*

I just had to do that. Hehe.

Must go now. Farewell!


Night 2 – Form
Lhunardawolf, K-wolf, and SamwolfGamgee, I commend thee on day well survived: a village with widely-cast votes, plenty of last minute action, and lots of suspicious characters, of which we are not yet accounted amongst. Excellent!
He's definitely someone to consider... On the other hand, Eomer and him could definitely get a feud going over tomorrow, if Eomer was to keep up his mysterious anti-LMP crusade.

On the other hand, Eomer would look quite conspicuous if he were to die, considering Eomer's Spawn-bluff last game.

I'm not too picky who goes, but I'd like it to be Anguriel, TGWBS, or LMP. They're all really intelligent players, and even as Ordos they'd be quite dangerous. I'd like to kill them off while they're still unsuspicious of us... Anguirel would be my first preference, since LMP can be fooled, and TGWBS has been known to play subpar when not a Werewolf. Any thoughts?


Night 2 – Lhuna
Are we after killing those who leave no trails, those whose deaths will terribly confuse the village, those who are likely to be Seeriffs, or those who are formidable foes whatever their role?

Hmmm...tgwbs...killing him would be deliciously evil, since I'm sure no one would expect him to be killed. And he'll leave no trails.

I too am interested in how the whole Eomer-Elempi thing plays out. So I guess we can leave them be toNight.

Anguirel? He was under some fire toDay, but I'm quite sure he'll emerge unscathed by the next Day. I think he's also worth killing.

I haven't had much chance to scrutinize the posts, so did anyone notice any Seeriff hints? I doubt anyone would be so careless in such an experienced village, but we never really know...

Well, the night's deepening here. Good night, everyone. I'll see you all tomorrow, hopefully with something more substantial to say. *curses schoolwork*


Night 2 – Samwise
Excellent, we're through. Whatsmore we haven't left ourself in a crazy situation, so all's well, as I see it! My question is: is Elempi an alternate name for LMP? Just making sure.

My inclination is for TGWBS at the moment. Reason: I basically saved him by ending the tie and Garin turned out to be innocent. It's unlikely the village will lynch TGWBS tomorrow and if we gobble him up tonight it could help us by removing any suspicions I may have raised. Whatcha think?

But to be honest I'm not too bothered. My other inclination is Ang, but I'm still not 100% happy with that after his little accusation of me.

I would like to leave Eomer alive for the moment though (he's a guy, so don't think us lovers! ) because he will become more influential and if we wait until he's an obvious choice to eat then we'll basically give nothing of our little band away. Also, villagers will be suspicious of him because of his 'black-as-the-night-cold-blooded-evil-cretin' history!


Night 2 – Samwise
What happens when we want to gobble someone? Do we send a PM to Nilp each, or does one of us become spokeswolf?


Night 2 – Kath
I also would be keen on Eomer staying alive a bit longer as he's pointed the finger at me too.

Now what about Gurthang? He's picked up on both me and Form, apparently due to 'hints'. I would be wary of killing him until we know what these hints are.

lmp - well, Gurthang suspects him, any chance of a frame-up there? He is being scarily sensible.

Hmm now Lommy, basically doing as Ang says. I wonder if people would look at her if we killed Ang or whether it's too early to try such things. Still, killing Ang sounds a good idea. I don't think he really looked at any of us and also 'forest instincts' - Ranger hint anyone? He would be my choice tonight.

I think we do need to go for those who have left no trails, hints etc. There are what, 18 people in this village? Well, taking out us leaves 14. Say we can kill 3 trailess people that gets it down to 11/18 right? Which gives us better odds. And hopefully we'll have got a useful innocent in the process. Though getting rid of the loudmouths and experienced/formidable players would be good. Only thing is we need not to have a pattern I think, and not kill all the loudmouths since Form and Lhuna, you're both pretty noisy and it would look suspicious.

I know, pointing out the obvious, it's to help me mostly!

Samwise - yes elempi is analternate for lmp (see ATM) and yes I suppose we need to choose a spokesperson. Best to choose someone who will be here closest to the deadline, would that be Lhuna?

Just so you guys know, I'll be around til midnight GMT and then will be in bed so I can't take part in discussion after then.

Kath


Night 2 – Samwise
I would propose that we in fact all send votes to Nilp and CC the PMs to each other. Reason being, in a few days time we'll be thinking more and more of lovers, and as the villagers having reasons for our votes would be helpful. What say ye?

My greedy eyes are still filled with TGWBS, I'm reluctant to lynch Ang because any accusations he made will be used.

On an aside: Kath, are you the girl on the left or right in your photo on Tigerlily's page? I just like to have an idea in my head of my fellow village-eaters!


Night 2 – Kath
What exactly are you proposing Samwise? To all PM Nilp and then send what we PMed to each other?

I'd prefer to kill Ang rather than Guy though.

I'm on the left (I think).


Night 2 – Form
Nominating a spokewolf is fine by me... Or two/three/four of us can do it.

As long as Nilp gets the message...

And, for that reason, it may be best if Lhuna's not the spokewolf. Sorry, sis, but if we want to give Nilp as much lead time as possible, it may be best if it isn't his timezones twin passing on the messages (you'd have to read up on all our notes, reply to them, and then toss Nilp an answer- all before 8:30 am your time).

Once we're at a consensus, let's just chuck Nilp a PM. Of course, there's always the danger that his PM box will be full...

Now, regarding the kills...

If someone thinks they know who the Seers are, then by all means, step up and say so! Lover-Wolf, if your Innocent partner has ideas on this, by all means pass on the message- the village doesn't favour your lot any more than ours.

However, I am well known to be pathetic at diving Gifted Hints. That's the reason I'm advocating taking out TGWBS or Anguirel: we may as well kill off someone liable to be highly dangerous as to kill off a random villager.

On the other hand, killing TGWBS or Anguirel could point fingers at Lhuna, Kath, or myself, since we've played quite a few games. Maybe we should look at some lesser-known, less-renowned player? One with no tracks leading back to us, of course...

Just a few thoughts...


Night 2 – Form
X-PMed with you, m'dear K-wolf...

If it comes down to Anguirel and TGWBS, I'd rather kill Anguirel, if only because he's been more into the game this Day 1 than TGWBS.

That's two Anguirel votes? If Samwise agrees, shall we PM Nilp right now with our majority- since Lhuna's probably asleep until close to the deadline?


Night 2 – Kath
Samwise isn't keen on killing Ang due to him having some suspicion of him earlier. But I don't know that a bit of vague Day 1 suspicion can't be explained away as a random accusation. If Ang turns out the be the Seer we have a problem, if not we should be ok so long as you can argue your way out of it Samwise.

If you agree Samwise then yes Form we probably should PM Nilp soonish just in case Lhuna isn't available to do it.

PS: Seems Lhuna has too many PMs now, so it will have to be one of us.


Night 2 – Form
A vague Day 1 suspicion can easily be reconstrued as a frameup for Samwise by the "real Wolves" (mwahahaha!). The only way, as I see it, that we'd really be endangering one of our own is if Anguirel is a seer.

If he is, then I hope Samwise that we can trust you to be valiant and take one for the team- assuming that the village even picks up on Anguirel's suspicion. They probably will, but villagers being villagers, they might interpret it in a light we wholly can't imagine.


Night 2 – Samwise
Ok, well I'll side with getting rid of Ang tonight. If we're decided on that then one of us should PM Nilp soonish.
I haven't sent this to Lhuna, by the way, her inbox is full.


Night 2 – Kath
Ok so we’re all agreed (ish). Who wants to be spokeswolf and PM our dear Mod?


Night 2 – Form
Nor did I with this or my last...

Well, if that's settled, then I'll PM Nilp.

y'all are welcome to do the same if you feel it absolutely necessary.


Night 2 – Kath
Oops, cross PM'd there. OK Form go ahead.


Night 2 – SamwiseGamgee
Go for it, Form. Oooh, manflesh! Yum!

On an interesting aside: does it work to our advantage in any way if we try to keep the male to female ratio as close to 1:1 as possible? I'm trying to think of any offshoots it may have: or indeed of stacking the odds against one sex, perhaps? Who knows!

Now, let's eat some Ang!


Night 2 – Kath
That is interesting. Perhaps if we aimed to kill off all the males (for example) it would help flush out the Lover faster? Or females, either works.


Night 2 – Form
There's definitly potential to the idea...

On the other hand, this is a large village, and such things take time. Meanwhile, the Seers are a more dangerous threat, as I see it.

So unless Nilp has balanced the genders again with the Seers, I do think that- at the moment- we should be worrying too much about gender.


Night 2 – Samwise
Well, obviously Form and I would prefer to try and kill all the females: as it would make our lives somewhat quieter!

But I think the idea is a runner. We'll talk about it later, I imagine. Take time to mull over it.

Form, will you PM us when you've PM'd Nilp, please.


Night 2 – Kath
Fair points but so far we have no clue as to the identity of either Seer. And it is worth thinking about, especially as the number of villagers begins to decline, as a gender imbalance may prove helpful, especially if we can convince the villagers that they want to aim for the Lover!

Haha Samwise

It's just unfortunate (or cleverly planned) that we wolves are half of each gender!


Form’s PM to Nilp
Lord Melkor,

A majority of your wolves, Weredacil, the K-wolf, and SamwolfGamgee, have selected the villager known as Anguirel as our meal of the night. Trusting that the Lady Lhunardawolf shall not oppose our tastes, we shall begin devouring forthwith.

~Weredacil~


Night 2 – Form
Already done, and erm... deleted...

Gotta keep that PM box empty, y'know.

Basically, I believe I said something to the effect of:


Night 2 – Form
Cleverly planned, no doubt...

Alas, though, for me and Samwolf, between Garin and Anguirel, we're already two males down... So if we do end up going for a gender imbalance, 'twill be probably to a decreasing of the male side- although the village does not know that Nilp balanced the Wolves' genders, a fact we could play to our advantage.


Night 2 – Kath
Yes it is true, but does mean at least we've begun a slide in one direction if it does become appropriate to follow it up. And yes it could help if it was vaguely suggested that this imbalance showed that the wolves must mostly be females. Could lead to some easily influenced lynchings.


Night 2 – SamwiseGamgee
Yeah, someone definitely said that there was no evidence or clues that we were two females and two males during the first day, so we can play on that misconception to get rid of, par example Dancing Spawn!


Night 2 – Form
Somehow I doubt we'd be able to make that fly... Spawn and Nilp being what they are, I think it'd take a LOT of evidence to sway the village into voting for her. Nilp, has, unwittingly or wittingly, given her a certain amount of protection by his outright declarations of devotion.

On the other hand, since he and Spawn couldn't be Lovers in the game, it's possible that the village could imagine him giving her one of the headlining roles: as a Werewolf (especially if we are so unlucky as to lose Kath and/or Lhuna, since with Spawn they create a trio of Nilp's most associated-with 'Downers).

Interesting thoughts, to be sure...

I am convinced that Nilp's choice of us is not random- and it's highly possible that his choice of the Lovers isn't as well. However, persuading the village to vote on such suspicions could be highly volatile, since it would endanger Lhuna and Kath, and possibly myself. Even you, Samwise, are considered an associate of Nilp's, if only because of your membership in the Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Society.


Night 2 – Samwise
Having eaten his fill, SamwolfGamgee crept off back to his comfortable house to get a decent night's sleep before another crazy day in the heady world of banking!
See y'all tomorrow.


Night 2 – Samwise
I agree with your 'not random' points, and that's why I'm already 90% sure I know who the lovers are. Spawn will be hard to kill, that's why I put that in: more as a joke than anything else. Well, I'm def going to bed now!


Night 2 – Kath
Agreed we'd have very little support in trying to take down spawn.

But Form you make an excellent point. If roles have been decided on the merit of personal relationships between Nilp and members then who should we look at in terms of that? We have two Seers, a Hunter, a Ranger and two Lovers yes?

spawn (obvious) - good Seer candidate?
Jay (I know they PM a lot) - again a Seer possibly?
Farael - we know he admires Nilp.
Eomer
Ang

Anyone else you can think of?

Samwise if you think you know who the Lovers are then please share! I know one of us does hold that role, but obviously they can't kill you so it's worth a look.


Night 2 – Lhuna
I'm all for Anguirel, too. I think killing him will incriminate innocents as well as a few of us. And his sudden jumping on Kath (or so it seemed) made me feel uncomfy. Anguirel for me.

We'll get the guy who be short if he makes more sense tomorrow; if he's a good Nilp impersonator, he will. So long as his death doesn't incriminate us!

I think it's a good idea to kill an experienced player now. The village will think the wolves might not be so experienced, that's why they took out one of the daunting villagers. Then we'll confuse them by killing someone less experienced the next Night, if circumstances will allow.

Have I missed some PMs? If I did, I'm sorry...but I was either fast asleep or on my way to school when you were PMing each other!

Oh, and for that spokeswolf...Nilp told me that if ever we get to decide on a victim early we should tell him earlier to give him time to prepare the death. Since most of the time I'll be here only just before the phase ends, I do think it's best not to make me the spokeswolf. Most of the time, anyway.

Lhunardawolf


Night 2 – Kath
Oh Lhuna my love you have missed so many. Here they all are. Beware, it’s a long read. To tell you now Form has PMed Nilp and we are killing Ang. Hope you don’t mind!
(Copy of PMs she missed).


Night 2 – Lhuna
*curses timezones*

You'll probably get used to it in time, if you haven't yet. Try not to have too much fun without me, and whatever you do...please do update me!

By the way, thanks for that summary, Kath. If summary it is.

So...goodbye Anguirel. We hope you're a Seer. Don't worry, I think we'll be looking hard at a lot of innocent people after his death.

Just some comments:

Hmm...if we kill the males one by one by Night, they might think that the Lover Wolf is possibly another male trying to protect his lover by subtly swaying his fellow wolves, so they'll lynch males as well. Someone might present that idea to the village tomorrow, and of course it will make me and Kath feel safer! I don't know, but I'll say let's keep the gender more or less balanced to keep them confused. That way there's less chance that they'll target a specific gender, and there will be equally less danger for each of us.

Wait! Our picking was completely random. Nilp himself was surprised with who turned out to be wolves. I saw the strips of paper on which he wrote the names and the roles. I'm not so sure about the Lovers, though. And I don't think we should really worry about our (all of us) close association with Nilp. I don't really understand why that's a concern anyway, can anyone please explain?

I agree with Kath, Sam...please let us know! It will most likely make our lives a bit easier.

See you at the dawn of the *eew* Day! Goodbye, dear Moon!


Day 2 – Form
Keeping it balanced could be useful as well... and as one of the short-listed side, I'm kind of inclined that way, but we'll see how the voting tomorrow goes. If a male is lynched, it is probably in our best interests to keep the trend up.
Are you SURE it was completely random, Lhuna?

Because, quite frankly, the list of us Wolves is highly suspect, and Nilp also has the right sort of personality, in my opinion, to predetermine the roles.

And, to be perfectly honest, although I did allow randomness to play its part in my own picking as a Mod, I deliberately steered certain players- not going to name names..- away from the big roles, and even blatantly placed Kuruharan in the Cursed role.

And I had every last name on a piece of paper matched up with every last role on a piece of paper.

So, what I want to know, is did you actually see Nilp pull the names out (whether or not you saw the names is another matter) or did you just see the papers afterwards?

Because it'd be really interesting to have an insight into who Nilp would see as appropriate Seers, Lovers, Hunter, and might help us out in the game.
I am curious as well. I know it's not me... If I had to guess, I'd peg Kath as the Lover, but I don't want to start randomly accusing our own team as well as the enemy.
We'll see... He could easily lynch himself without our help, so I'm fine with leaving him for now, but if he begins to get suspicious... or if YOU and he start looking like the Lovers (now THERE is a Nilpian connection for you), then I won't hesitate to bring it up at one of our nightly councils.


Night 2 – Form

Well that's a relief!

Then scratch that idea- for the time being. If the Seers and/or the Lovers bear out what I (or someone else) thinks Nilp would rig, then we may need to look at it again.

And of course the villagers have no idea who we are, but since WE know who we are, and since we DO look like a pretty handpicked group, it's a good idea to see if we can use this special knowledge to our benefit.

That's no punishment! He's Nilp! He'd vote for it too!

Friend or foe? Ally or enemy?
Both?

Yes sister dear, I know the enmity you and your other big bro have in this game, but it would have been a VERY Nilpian choice, I think, to make you the Lovers, and if he did, then your vendetta is the perfect cover.

I'm just trying to keep an open and balanced mind, aware of all the options, and to try and get this pack through the game as victors!