Survivor: The Second Age

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Maybe I should re-honour my alliance with Anguirel . . .

++Ohtar

(Not his real name . . . Why? Is his real name something ugly, something downright repulsive? 'Oh, look, there's [name deleted], son of an Orc!' he must have been taunted while yet a youth.

Why give him a hard-to-pronounce name, for crying out loud? He might have well been named 'Random Númenórean # 72 for all we care.)

If that's not Tolkien-based, I'll implore the Mod God of Ened-in-Nowhere to strike you down, Formendaga.

[Firefoot]

Not Ohtar. Don't ask me why, exactly, but I rather like the chap.

++Celeborn

I already explained this yesterday. He's just not as important as people make him sound; Galadriel would get on just as well without him. He doesn't bring anything to the table.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Celuien

++OHTAR

Of the Lord of the Rings Code:

Obviously, by naming this character Ohtar, Tolkien was trying to tell us that Ohtar's role could be filled by any other character. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that substituing an 'e' for the 'a' in his name and reversing the h with the t changes Ohtar to Other. The e to a substitution is the correct interpretation since the 'a' is the second vowel in Othar and e is the second vowel in the alphabet.

If that doesn't convince you, consider the anagram, Ho! Rat! formed by his name. Do we want a skulking rat to win Survivor?

And finally, lest my vote be discounted, I'll repeat my earlier reasoning that Othar is not a significant enough character to win Survivor.

COUNTED- due to a direct reference to Ohtar’s general insignificance as a character in the Canon.

The anagram, though not technically Tolkien-based, is a bit of wordplay, and I’m sure the good professor would approve.

Originally Posted by Elu Ancalime

++Ohtar
As a recall from Unfinished Tales, Ohtar is afraid of being cowardly. I think that speaks for itself, right?

Can’t recall the text myself, but I think Elu’s right. Not sure if that constitutes an argument one way or another, but it’s Tolkien-based. COUNTED.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

++OHTAR-an office boy who shouldn't be carrying dangerous sharp things...

COUNTED- barely, for sarcastic referencing of Ohtar’s status as a Squire, and for his delivery of the Shards of Narsil to Rivendell.

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

++CELEBRIAN

for having silver hair, not doing anything substantial in Middle-earth other than giving birth to a half-Man and a half-Elf, getting herself caught and tortured, then sailing to the West because she couldn't take life anymore. What a coward.

Recounts (essentially) all of Celebrían’s known history, with a negative bias. COUNTED

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Celeborn did nothing which any other Elf of similar standing could not have achieved. As I have established previously, his claims to be the wisest Elf and greatest giver of gifts were vastly over-inflated. He relies solely on his wife for his renown and for his place in Middle-earth legend. And he even ensured that history was re-written in an attempt to ensure that his embarassing true name would remain hidden. Surely we can countenance the presence of this fraudulent upstart on the island no longer.

+ + TELEPORNO

COUNTED, for the same reason’s as Lhuna’s vote.

Originally Posted by Nilmodion Felagund

++Ohtar

(Not his real name . . . Why? Is his real name something ugly, something downright repulsive? 'Oh, look, there's [name deleted], son of an Orc!' he must have been taunted while yet a youth.

Why give him a hard-to-pronounce name, for crying out loud? He might have well been named 'Random Númenórean # 72 for all we care.)

COUNTED- for referencing the fact that Tolkien states that Ohtar was probably not Ohtar’s name. It means, roughly Squire/Knight, and was more properly his title. We do not know “Ohtar”’s name.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

++Celeborn

I already explained this yesterday. He's just not as important as people make him sound; Galadriel would get on just as well without him. He doesn't bring anything to the table.

COUNTED- since I remember Firefoot’s argument of yesterday.

Hmm… slow day here at the office- and I let things run late too.