Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIX: Ang Sagang Daga, bow.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I did not promise a grand revelation, or a grand masterplan, or anything like that. Why do people say that about what I'm doing? And besides, not mentioning me in that post is possibly important, because Kath and I were in exactly the same boat. So your not mentioning me while mentioning Kath is very relevant to my point. You imply that I'm being arrogant; but what makes you so sure you're worthy of a 'grand revelation'?

Grand revelation? I merely voiced suspicions of you. I'll retract that 'very wolvish' comment, though; because it was slightly too much.

My suspicion list:

1) Farael
2) Kath

Followed by:

3) Lalaith
4) Lhuna

We have to have suspects...

[Caranlondien]

On the Lalaith / Eomer front, I understand your suspicions, Eomer. But in Lalaith's defense, off-hand I remember Ang talking about Kath, but I didn't remember him talking about you or Glirdan until I went back and re-read his posts.

[Farael]

First of, to defend myself a little

Originally Posted by Nilp the Second… and everyone else who voiced similar suspicions

I also suspect Farael for beeing annoyed at me acting as Nilp - but then, for whatever reason, not following in my footsteps. His role was to kill himself. Why did he make a big fuss and not fulfill it?

Quite simply, because both you AND Garin had done it. Adding a third suicidal maniac to the mix would have been stupid.

Originally Posted by Eomer

Funny, though, how Farael jumped to the defence of Kath and not me, when Anguirel apparently jested with both of us.

Two reasons… first of all, at the time of the post I had not realized what that comment meant… second, he did not say anything about you being involved with a group of were-creatures… Honestly, I thought that he was accusing all but everyone to sugar-coat the pill… think about it, the strongest accusation he made was against Kath…. The rest were MUCH softer… If he had been the Seer, the co-seer could have argued this point without looking too seer-ish himself and thus saving himself from a wolfish retaliation.

Now on to the accusing.

The wolves have been smart… Anguirel was a safe kill for them as not only it would implicate me into it, but it would also give enough circumstantial evidence for Kath to argue that it was an obvious set-up and thus she could not possibly be wolfish. Some villagers have already voiced that proposition and I shall suspect you all for it. While it’s not enough evidence to indict Kath, I think that if she were a wolf, she’d be very interested in killing Ang last night. If he was a seer, she could point out that he accused many people. If he was innocent (as he turned out to be) and left to live, he could have kept on being random and watering down the “too obvious of a setup” argument. If he had kept on accusing people with strong words, no-one could have said that his death implicated him too obviously…. As it’d implicate half the village as well.


It was the right time and under the right conditions for such a kill. As well, note that I said I did not believe he was the Seer (I was right) and that he was a wolf trying to impersonate the seer (Others have said that he could have looked Seer-ish, so it’s not just me saying so).

I’m starting to think Kath is actually a wolf… if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense.
-If Anguirel was the Seer, Kath might have been done for, but there would have been three more wolves remaining to only one Seer
-If Anguirel was not the seer, Kath could argue that his death shows a clear set-up and it might give her a little longer to live, thus making her look innocent (and for the looks of it, it worked)

Don’t disregard my words too easily (not a seer hint) as some of you seem to prefer weird, far-fetched theories than simpler, more logical ones. Sure, it could be that Lhuna and Formen are the lovers because they showed pretty much opposite voting behaviours and maybe they were lovers trying to differentiate from each other but odds are, they are not. I’m talking odds here, I’m not saying that it could NEVER be the case, but given a logical choice, we should follow simpler theories that are easier to test than more complicated, far-fetched ones. Or maybe it’s just the scientist on me talking.

Anyway, I want to hear some more from Kath… and tar-a, not for her vote last night but because she often makes well argued points yet last night she didn’t.

[Gurthang]

Well, after reading a little, Farael is starting to catch my eye. Not just a few are suspecting him. Here's something that stuck out to me.

Originally Posted by Farael

The wolves have been smart… Anguirel was a safe kill for them as not only it would implicate me into it, but it would also give enough circumstantial evidence for Kath to argue that it was an obvious set-up and thus she could not possibly be wolfish. Some villagers have already voiced that proposition and I shall suspect you all for it. While it’s not enough evidence to indict Kath, I think that if she were a wolf, she’d be very interested in killing Ang last night. If he was a seer, she could point out that he accused many people. If he was innocent (as he turned out to be) and left to live, he could have kept on being random and watering down the “too obvious of a setup” argument. If he had kept on accusing people with strong words, no-one could have said that his death implicated him too obviously…. As it’d implicate half the village as well.

Just seems to know too much how the wolves are acting. It's being spoken as fact, rather than hypothesis, which I don't like.

Kath seems to be handling suspicion calmly. Not necessarily an automatic innocent label, but it speaks in her favor.

[Glirdan]

First off, I'm the lumberjack. I was saying we shouldn't lynch me. As I still unwaiveringly support the idea that I should not be lynched, I hope you shall acquit me of flip-flopping.

Completely, my friend. It's been a long day for me. I'm really tired to say the least. And sorry about the gender mix up as well. Now that I go through that, I found absoultely nothing on you. You're safe in my eyes...for now.

Glirdan your posting seems off from the norm as well.

You're right, I'm playing more boldly then my kin in those other villages. But you know what, I like it. So, get used to it.

As for suspicions, I don't really have any at this poitn, unless it be Naria for the lack of posting. Quiet ones unnerve me and if I must say, Naria's definetly one of them.

I shall be back later with more.

[Cailín]

Let's not have suspects. Let's all live together, in peace and tolerance, meditate and bake chocolate chip cookies.

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Farael is worrying me most right now. I am not yet overly suspicious of Lhuna, though she is playing a careful game. Thinlomien doesn't sit right with me somehow. As for the others, they are flying under my radar currently, though Eomer does seem rather fierce and jumpy. Probably he's just a little over-enthusiastic.

I will explain my reasons when I return. This day has been rather hectic so far.

edit: cross-posting with quite a few people here.

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Cailin

Let's not have suspects. Let's all live together, in peace and tolerance, meditate and bake chocolate chip cookies

No suspects! But we must!

What's with the cookies? *looks down at nutricious bran muffins I brought* I am the sweet one I tell you! *bats eyelashes* Go with what you know I say (hint, Hint, Gossiper)

[Eonwe]

It appears that I have to vote of suffer the consequence. (According to the prophet of the mod god, those caught not voting are summarily killed off, right?)

Right, that means I have to vote now.

Therefore, I will vote for

++Valier

because she was the last one to post before me...

Sorry.

EDIT: Gurthang, you are a luck hombre...

[Kath]

Right, hello, what? Am I being accused of being in a wolvish plot with Farael, in which we killed Ang fully knowing that it would bring suspicion upon me because of a single joking comment he made, very likely because I was one of the few that had posted when he arrived, which we thought might signify that he was one of the Seers?

Or am I not? There seem to be two conflicting views here, and both seem to have been equally supported by Farael toDay. I would hope never to be associated with such a flip-flopper.

My vote for Eomer yesterDay came before lmp's.

Ok defence over with unless anyone has other questions they want answering. I'll be lurking for a bit re-reading everything properly.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Eonwe, seriously! Don't you like, I don't know, suspect anyone? I think there have been lots of ideas and theories flying around toDay and yet you vote for Valier because she posted before you...

I won't vote for you again toDay because to me there are better lynching candidates, too, but you're not being very helpful, if I may say that.

Originally Posted by Gurthang

Lastly, I don't like hearing 'so-and-so can't be a wolf because a wolf just can't do such-and-such!' Wolves can and will do anything, so don't assume that there is anything that automatically clears anyone from being a wolf.

Hear, hear!


I'd like to hear something from Naria, who hasn't spoken yet, I believe.

[Caranlondien]

Hmmm, I don't like Eonwe's vote. He posted hours ago and would appear to have read at least some of the discussion; doesn't he have any suspicions?

Of course, I understand it must be difficult when you're the first person to vote... Still, by the second Day, vote with at least some reasoning behind it! It makes it too easy on the werewolves if we allow people to cop out by saying "it was just random".

EDIT: Cross-posted with Dancing Spawn

[Lalaith]

My dear old harp-plucker. In post 162, you said I was odd and promised to tell why later. Then in post 176, you said I was very suspicious and you'd explain why later. I was getting all excited!
But this, I agree with.

We have to have suspects...

...so I bear you no ill will. It's all early days and everyone is clutching at straws. I know I am.

I need to vote in a couple of hours, I hope I can get some time to read through everything...I have to go by the theory that Ang said something of significance, because that's the only theory we have right now to narrow down the list of suspects.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Lalaith, I have done you a disservice. I promise you that something in your posts felt a bit worrying to me earlier today; but I have nothing of much substance to back it up.

So you're not 'extremely wolvish' anymore.

Think of the votes yesterday. Anguirel got some, so did Eomer and LMP and Glirdan and TGWBS plus.....? Don't know off the top of my head.

But...

Either all the votes were wrong, or more than one was right. Right? So maybe Glirdan and LMP and TGWBS and Eomer are the 4 wolves and they had to pick one of their Seer candidates who voted for one of them (Anguirel voted for Glirdan)...

...or...

...no-one cast a vote for a wolf, and the wolves guessed that Anguirel was a Seer based on his defence of Garin.

In which case (perhaps) the people who voted in a certain way are completely off. Some people are convinced by others' arguments; but supposed random votes or votes based on very loose reasoning may tell us more. I'm not talking about obviously random votes or that kind of stuff.

But votes like 'So-and-so feels a bit strange to me. Can't explain'

If these picked out a wolf, then the wolves would kill whoever cast the vote.

EXAMPLE: I voted for LMP pretty randomly, but I worded it in such a way that everyone thought there was something sinister or clever about it. If LMP were a wolf then he might have wanted to kill me for it. But I'm still here.

Total speculation. But I think that, out of the people who garnered votes yesterday, either none is a wolf, or more than one is.

That would be (still surviving) LMP, TGWBS, Eomer, Glirdan and.....? Who've I missed? I'll edit with the answer.