Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIX: Ang Sagang Daga, bow. - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lhunardawen · 03-16-2006, 01:09 AM

Oh dear...the Day's ending!

Sorry about that, fellow villagers...I was swamped with schoolwork and more schoolwork and couldn't give heed to the more pressing need to save our village. Please let me go back through the discussions before I cast my vote. I surely wouldn't want voting for an innocent toDay, but the odds are against me...well, must do my best. For our prophet!

I'll be back.

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 03-16-2006, 01:21 AM

Three pages... *sigh*

I'll be back soon.

Thinlómien · 03-16-2006, 01:24 AM

I'm here and will leave in ten minutes. And I'm not sure if I wish to save Garin.

Anguirel · 03-16-2006, 01:27 AM

Just don't vote against the poor madman, alright? My forest instincts tell me that that way lies a grievous mistake. Wolf-Garin is much more in control and would never vote for himself anyway...

And then my axe naturally wings to the defence of the underdog...

Thinlómien · 03-16-2006, 01:28 AM

I might be able to come back before the voting time (I have a lesson in computer classroom) but I wouldn't count on it.

I'm not sure if I'm going to vote one of my feeble suspects or someone to save Garin. However, all the people in your (Ang's) list I hold as suspicious as Garin, some even less. I don't know if it's a bad thing that Garin goes. He might be a wolf.

EDIT: x-posted with Ang

Thinlómien · 03-16-2006, 01:33 AM

It seems whatever I do, I'm taking sides.

So I go and vote

++Glirdan

There's something wrong with him. I can't explain what, actually, but something in his style. I don't have time to analyse, but I will do it next Day, if I'm still alive.

Anguirel · 03-16-2006, 01:38 AM

Well...that's very tempting. And you know, I think I'll give in to tempation-perhaps Lhuna and Spawn will support us yet.

Glirdan's vote is plodding and dangerously obvious. He is being unusually loud as well, not that that's a bad thing. But all in all, I fear we have one of the Four here. Look at some of those more ludicrous accusations against Garin-hair-splitting and specious, aye, so whisper the martingales.

Taste the noose, wolf!

++GLIRDAN

tar-ancalime · 03-16-2006, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Glirdan:

Unfortunately, I don't think (as some others seem to believe) that there is anything seriously wrong with this post of Farael's. I'm sure you know what he means by his role and if not, let me clarify because it is so blantantly(sp?) obvious of what he actually is speaking of: his occupation. As for the TGWBS dieing bit, well, I think he was just upset that shorty took the one thing he wanted to do all this game: take Nilp's suicidal act. Reason being? Well, my belief is that he probably idolizes our dear Prophet. I'm sorry, but so far, I don't see anything really worrying here.

As this seems to be directed at me, I'll respond.

Yes, I know he was talking about his occupation.

Yes, I understand that "shorty took the one thing he wanted to do all this game."

This is what bothers me. IF he's innocent, the one thing he can do for the village is to help find the werewolves. Playing a suicidal game for his own personal amusement helps no one; also, tgwbs's doing it doesn't preclude anyone else from following suit, as Garin has ably demonstrated.

Formendacil · 03-16-2006, 02:18 AM

What have I missed?

Oh, more Day 1 nonsense... Well, that's not a problem...

Seriously, 'twas my plan to be on earlier, but I was foiled by a dastardly slow pizza driver, a bevy of college students, and a couple of Peruvian Llamas (well, not the Peruvian Llamas...).

Anyway, I'm back. Before the deadline too, although I should probably be looking at casting a vote...

So, let's see, if I read things aright, the votes stand as follows:

Garin - IIII
TGWBS - III
Eomer - II
Lalaith - I
LMP - I
Farael - I
Anguirel - II
Glirdan - III

Even if I haven't got it right, that's close enough...

So, my list from earlier, if I be intending to follow it, automatically excludes LMP, and... erm... no one else. Well, one down, seven to go before I find my self a vote-worthy candidate.

Garin, it seems to me, ought to be saved. As the Mod of his first game, I take an almost fatherly eye to his Tol-in-Gaurhoth career, and I must say that he seems to be playing perfectly to form.

Alas, though, that Glirdan and TGWBS are the next down the line... Glirdan also seems to be playing perfectly normally, and I'm always hesitant to vote for someone who's voted for themself- and TGWBS is, on the face of things, a very valuable player to whichever team he is on, and on the 70% or so chance that he's on the village team rather than the Werewolf one, I'd rather no lynch him just yet.

Alas, though, I have little choice if I want to save Garin. Old players will know that I judge players by how "normal" their playing style is, and both Garin and Glirdan seem completely normal.

++ The Guy Who Be Short, most regretably...

And I can but hope that Lhuna or some other late voter (IS there another voter as yet unvoted) will break the tie...

EDIT: Crossposted with a whack of people...

SamwiseGamgee · 03-16-2006, 02:18 AM

Well, here's the list:

Garin: 4
TGWBS: 4
Glirdan: 3
Eomer: 2
Anguriel: 2
Lalaith: 1
LMP: 1
Farael: 1

Garin, you picked me up on what you thought to be an error, but you presumed wrong. I did mean 'As Garin...', perhaps if I write it 'As per Garin...' you'll see. Whilst your pointing out my (wrongly) prseumed English errors is deeply annoying, it's not enough to make me vote for you: I think you're just being yourself!

Now, who's this bank manager going to vote for? Well, I would vote for Glirdan, but that'd put us in a double lynch situation. My reason for voting for him would have been that he cast a very suspicious, somewhat bandwagony post with no real reason for it. But I'm still stuck. Oh, dear! And now we are in a double lynch scenario! Woe, Form!

Lhunardawen · 03-16-2006, 02:10 AM

What a dilemma!

I feel that both Garin and Glirdan are innocent, just completely misled. I feel the sincerity in their posts, and I know that all the jumpiness is only normal. And what a pity that these two villagers who seem eager to help the village would attack each other!

Two other people stood out for me toDay: Lalaith, Naria, and Eonwe.

I expected more from Lalaith than to jump into voting for tgwbs. Maybe it's because I think tgwbs is just being faithful to his role, a stupid thing to do though it is to vote for oneself. I didn't think anyone would just fall for it again like that. Plus, if she thought the suicide outbreak odd, why encourage the virus?

Ditto for Naria.

Eonwe's been making at least some sense early on during the Day, but that vote for Garin and the way he cast it sent shivers up my spine. It's not helping the village at all, starting bandwagons casually like that. It might be too blatantly suspicious for a wolf to do, but I'm just really uneasy about it.

I can't vote for someone I don't really suspect, even if it means a likely innocent will die if I don't. Oh, I feel so helpless. dancing spawn, are you still there?

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 03-16-2006, 02:24 AM

Well, I don't find any of those with the most votes very suspicious now. I shall take a moment to ponder the voting.

Cailín's vote is based on occupations. Can't tell much of it.

TGWBS' vote is based on occupations. Can't tell much of it.

Garin votes for himself in order to honour Nilp. I have no idea why he does that because later he says: "I am actually not sure what came over me, I've always held the suicidal with great contempt." A bluff? In any case, that's not very helpful a thing to do.

Lalaith votes TGWBS because he had suggested that people would do that. A somewhat safe vote which could be regarded as suspicious because her vote is based on occupations. "This copy-cat suicide outbreak seems very odd to me, anyhow." ~Lalaith

Eomer's vote is based on some master plan that I don't have time to try to understand now, so I can't tell much of it.

Kath's vote seems somewhat weird.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kath

Because (though I think this is repeating a past argument) if he's a wolf then better to get rid of him now, and if he's an innocent we won't be worrying about whether he's a wolf for the rest of the game! A hedging your bets argument it is I'll admit, but it's all I have.

As she admits, she repeats almost exactly the same words as tar-a in her past life. That reasoning got her in a bit of trouble then, but she turned out to be an innocent. Something in Kath's voting feels funny especially because if Eomer is innocent, it's good to keep him around.

tar-a's vote is probably one of the best reasoned toDay although I disagree with her.

Eonwe... Well... "I'm voting Garin and for no other reason than his placement on the list. Ha!" "The funny thing is, I started this bandwagon! Ha!" ~Eonwe
Right. I don't know why he's so cheerful and wants the 'credit' of the Garin 'bandwagon' for himself. Anyway, his reasons aren't very impressive.

Celuien's vote is reasoned, too. Doesn't look suspicious.

lmp's vote for Eomer may be a bit better reasoned than Kath's, but I don't know what to think of the fact that Eomer and lmp voted for each other like that. Maybe it's part of the 'master plan' that I didn't get yet.

Glirdan first had some kind of debate with Garin, but I'm not sure if the debate is the reason for his vote. "Well, the votes are spread to say the least, but I'm afraid that Garin's probably right, his fate is sealed. However, there is still a lot of other people who have yet to vote, so I'm probably wrong on this." ~Glirdan
I don't know what to think of this, but otherwise he has been acting like I would have assumed.

Farael votes for Anguirel because he thinks that Anguirel is a wolf faking to be a Seer? Farael's acting like I would have assumed, too, although I disagree with him. In any case, Happy Birthday!

Naria's behaviour seems typical for her although I don't like it. A safe vote with practically no reasons at all.

Caranlondien gives reasons for her vote. Good. Doesn't appear suspicious now.

Valier says that she votes for Glirdan because he seems most suspicious to her toDay, but she doesn't really give reasons why. Can't tell much of this vote.

I shall vote in a few minutes.

03-16-2006, 01:21 AM	#2
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	Three pages... sigh I'll be back soon. __________________ Fenris Wolf

03-16-2006, 01:24 AM	#3
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	I'm here and will leave in ten minutes. And I'm not sure if I wish to save Garin. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

03-16-2006, 01:27 AM	#4
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Just don't vote against the poor madman, alright? My forest instincts tell me that that way lies a grievous mistake. Wolf-Garin is much more in control and would never vote for himself anyway... And then my axe naturally wings to the defence of the underdog... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

03-16-2006, 01:28 AM	#5
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	I might be able to come back before the voting time (I have a lesson in computer classroom) but I wouldn't count on it. I'm not sure if I'm going to vote one of my feeble suspects or someone to save Garin. However, all the people in your (Ang's) list I hold as suspicious as Garin, some even less. I don't know if it's a bad thing that Garin goes. He might be a wolf. EDIT: x-posted with Ang __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

03-16-2006, 01:33 AM	#6
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	It seems whatever I do, I'm taking sides. So I go and vote ++Glirdan There's something wrong with him. I can't explain what, actually, but something in his style. I don't have time to analyse, but I will do it next Day, if I'm still alive. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

03-16-2006, 01:09 AM	#1
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	Oh dear...the Day's ending! Sorry about that, fellow villagers...I was swamped with schoolwork and more schoolwork and couldn't give heed to the more pressing need to save our village. Please let me go back through the discussions before I cast my vote. I surely wouldn't want voting for an innocent toDay, but the odds are against me...well, must do my best. For our prophet! I'll be back.

03-16-2006, 01:38 AM	#7
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Well...that's very tempting. And you know, I think I'll give in to tempation-perhaps Lhuna and Spawn will support us yet. Glirdan's vote is plodding and dangerously obvious. He is being unusually loud as well, not that that's a bad thing. But all in all, I fear we have one of the Four here. Look at some of those more ludicrous accusations against Garin-hair-splitting and specious, aye, so whisper the martingales. Taste the noose, wolf! ++GLIRDAN __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso Last edited by Anguirel; 03-16-2006 at 01:54 AM. Reason: typo

03-16-2006, 02:18 AM	#9
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	What have I missed? Oh, more Day 1 nonsense... Well, that's not a problem... Seriously, 'twas my plan to be on earlier, but I was foiled by a dastardly slow pizza driver, a bevy of college students, and a couple of Peruvian Llamas (well, not the Peruvian Llamas...). Anyway, I'm back. Before the deadline too, although I should probably be looking at casting a vote... So, let's see, if I read things aright, the votes stand as follows: Garin - IIII TGWBS - III Eomer - II Lalaith - I LMP - I Farael - I Anguirel - II Glirdan - III Even if I haven't got it right, that's close enough... So, my list from earlier, if I be intending to follow it, automatically excludes LMP, and... erm... no one else. Well, one down, seven to go before I find my self a vote-worthy candidate. Garin, it seems to me, ought to be saved. As the Mod of his first game, I take an almost fatherly eye to his Tol-in-Gaurhoth career, and I must say that he seems to be playing perfectly to form. Alas, though, that Glirdan and TGWBS are the next down the line... Glirdan also seems to be playing perfectly normally, and I'm always hesitant to vote for someone who's voted for themself- and TGWBS is, on the face of things, a very valuable player to whichever team he is on, and on the 70% or so chance that he's on the village team rather than the Werewolf one, I'd rather no lynch him just yet. Alas, though, I have little choice if I want to save Garin. Old players will know that I judge players by how "normal" their playing style is, and both Garin and Glirdan seem completely normal. ++ The Guy Who Be Short, most regretably... And I can but hope that Lhuna or some other late voter (IS there another voter as yet unvoted) will break the tie... EDIT: Crossposted with a whack of people... __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

03-16-2006, 02:18 AM	#10
SamwiseGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In the warm bosom of a Warg Posts: 378	Well, here's the list: Garin: 4 TGWBS: 4 Glirdan: 3 Eomer: 2 Anguriel: 2 Lalaith: 1 LMP: 1 Farael: 1 Garin, you picked me up on what you thought to be an error, but you presumed wrong. I did mean 'As Garin...', perhaps if I write it 'As per Garin...' you'll see. Whilst your pointing out my (wrongly) prseumed English errors is deeply annoying, it's not enough to make me vote for you: I think you're just being yourself! Now, who's this bank manager going to vote for? Well, I would vote for Glirdan, but that'd put us in a double lynch situation. My reason for voting for him would have been that he cast a very suspicious, somewhat bandwagony post with no real reason for it. But I'm still stuck. Oh, dear! And now we are in a double lynch scenario! Woe, Form! __________________ -- Well, I'm back. Last edited by SamwiseGamgee; 03-16-2006 at 02:21 AM. Reason: Cross posting with Form

03-16-2006, 02:10 AM	#11
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	What a dilemma! I feel that both Garin and Glirdan are innocent, just completely misled. I feel the sincerity in their posts, and I know that all the jumpiness is only normal. And what a pity that these two villagers who seem eager to help the village would attack each other! Two other people stood out for me toDay: Lalaith, Naria, and Eonwe. I expected more from Lalaith than to jump into voting for tgwbs. Maybe it's because I think tgwbs is just being faithful to his role, a stupid thing to do though it is to vote for oneself. I didn't think anyone would just fall for it again like that. Plus, if she thought the suicide outbreak odd, why encourage the virus? Ditto for Naria. Eonwe's been making at least some sense early on during the Day, but that vote for Garin and the way he cast it sent shivers up my spine. It's not helping the village at all, starting bandwagons casually like that. It might be too blatantly suspicious for a wolf to do, but I'm just really uneasy about it. I can't vote for someone I don't really suspect, even if it means a likely innocent will die if I don't. Oh, I feel so helpless. dancing spawn, are you still there?