Survivor: The Second Age - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lhunardawen · 03-15-2006, 06:56 AM

How many ages does it have to take before you realize that

++CELEBORN

deserves to be voted off? We can give more credit to the White Tree that bears the name than to the Elf. And I'm quite sure Moderadacil is referring to the Elf here. At least Celeborn the Tree was a meaningful symbol of something, while Celeborn the Elf isn't even the first person you'll associate with Lothlorien!

Anguirel · 03-15-2006, 08:03 AM

We'll never, never realise that Celeborn deserves to be voted off, because he doesn't.

He isn't the first name you associate with Lothlorien, because he's modest, not because he's incapable.

I'm glad to see someone is finally seeing sense. Down with the blot on this show, the complacent Lord who thinks he can waltz his way to power with the aid of tacky bling.

A chance has occurred to prove that Maia or no Maia, Dark Lord or Lidless Eye, Sauron is just an exploiting, made-up vagabond with nary a spot of ability to his name. Forward the Witch King of Angmar!

++SAURON

Boromir88 · 03-15-2006, 08:10 AM

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A chance has occurred to prove that Maia or no Maia, Dark Lord or Lidless Eye, Sauron is just an exploiting, made-up vagabond with nary a spot of ability to his name. Forward the Witch King of Angmar!

++SAURON

You withdraw from attacking Sauron and I won't go after the Witch-King. Does that sound good? Now I don't plan on wanting the WK rid of (just yet) but that doesn't mean I can't suddenly I don't know...change my mind.

Anguirel · 03-15-2006, 08:13 AM

Attack whoever you choose, Ring-Bandit Gondor Boy, but you won't divert me from my divinely ordained mission!

Boromir88 · 03-15-2006, 08:15 AM

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Attack whoever you choose, Ring-Bandit Gondor Boy, but you won't divert me from my divinely ordained mission!

As you wish, all I'm saying is if you want to complete your mission, like we all here do, then you may need to...make some deals, bargain, compromise...etc. After all that is what Survivor is all about, right?

Lhunardawen · 03-15-2006, 08:18 AM

Modest? Modest you say? How can he be modest when he calls himself "Lord" yet doesn't even deserve the title? The only way he got it was through affiliation.

Anguirel · 03-15-2006, 08:32 AM

To be quite honest, Lhuna, that's unadulterated balderdash...

A Sinda of higher lineage than Amdir of Lorinand, had Celeborn chosen he could have rightfully taken the title of King of Lothlorien, by virtue of his kinship to Thingol, the greatest Sindar ruler ever known, and the first.

Moreover, his rulership shows he would have deserved such a title. While his wife absorbed herself in moral conundrums and dilemmas over the Rings of Power, she would have stayed within Caras Galadhon, weaving cloaks, and staring into the Mirror. To the natives of Lothlorien, she would have been a distant figure.

Celeborn, by contrast, spoke Sindar as his native tongue, led armies of Lothlorien in person, and was even aware of the local surroundings outside. His people would have been familiar with him as their patriarch and, yes, as their Lord-quite deserved.

Celuien · 03-15-2006, 08:41 AM

++SAURON

1. No imagination whatsoever. With all the designs he could have used for the One Ring, what does he pick? A plain gold band with tacky poetry.

2. Speaking of poetry, what is that all about? If he really wanted to hide his ring by making it plain, why is he putting depressing verses on it. That's stupid.

3. And speaking of stupid, what kind of intelligent Dark Lord ties his existence to a piece of tacky jewelry? Just opening up vulnerability to his enemies there. What happens if he loses it or some enterprising hobbit melts it down? Not very smart.

4. The whole Numenor business. Yes, he persuaded an attack successfully, but got himself drowned in the process. Lucky for him he was able to come back. Once again, pure incompetence at Dark Lording.

Morgoth was the only real expert at being evil. Sauron is just a pale imitation. Get rid of him.

Boromir88 · 03-15-2006, 08:58 AM

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1. No imagination whatsoever. With all the designs he could have used for the One Ring, whst does he pick? A plain gold band with tacky poetry.

Anyone who can make a plain gold ring one of the most powerful instruments in Middle-earth deserves a lot of credit points.

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2. Speaking of poetry, what is that all about? If he really wanted to hide his ring by making it plain, why is he putting depressing verses on it. That's stupid.

Did he want to hide it? Everyone pretty much knew he wanted to conquer the world and he made a ring to do it. And he made a Ring to control the races, that's why the bearers of the three kept their's secret.

3. And speaking of stupid, what kind of intelligent Dark Lord ties his existence to a piece of tacky jewelry? Just opening up vulnerability to his enemies there. What happens if he loses it or some enterprising hobbit melts it down? Not very smart.
It's actually quite brilliant. To point out to Tolkien's own words. As far as if he lost it? Doesn't matter:

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But even if he did not wear it, that power existed and was in 'rapport' with himself: he was not 'diminished.'

Sauron bound the powers of the Ring to him, so even if he did not have it he would still retain it's powers.

As far as if someone dropping it in the lava. Not Sauron's fault that Eru decided to stick his hand in the mess. Everyone knows the Ring wouldn't have been destroyed if it wasn't for Eru. I mean Frodo sure as heck wasn't going to destroy it, that sissy...he's just a dark lord wannabbe...and Gollum just happened to slip in. Actually rather brilliant to make a ring that can only be destroyed in one place, and have it be so powerful the only way it can be destroyed is by Eru messing with the affairs.

I move to cancel Celuien's vote because I have disproved her points.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-15-2006, 09:12 AM

How tedious.

Shame on those who favoured the haughty Elven Lord over the female ethnic minority contestant.

And how sad that the contest is being skewed by a small number of irregular voters who turn up on the orders of their lord and master to vote exactly the way he tells them to. Still, there is, I suppose, no rule against it. And if the only way the phantom is able to maintain his preferred candidate is to rely on the votes of lackeys, then so be it. The effort involved is, at least, probably keeping him out of trouble.

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

So, there were not enough among us with the imagination …

Indeed. To my mind, a lack of imagination is the central issue here. It is all very well and good to keep repeating how wonderful Elrond is because Tolkien wrote him that way. But how much more interesting, satisfying and imaginative to have a bit of fun with the character.

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Well, then I've done my job.

You rather missed my point, although I suspect that was intentional. Your posts in defence of Elrond, to be frank, would be more appropriate in a “Who is your favourite Elf?” thread on Novices & Newcomers. Yet, as you were only too keen to point out, we are in the Mirth forum here. Come on folks, when it comes to Elrond, which posts are the more entertaining? Those proposing his eviction or those seeking to defend him?

A vote for Elrond is a vote in keeping with the spirit of the show!

So I shall stick to my mission.

+ + ELROND

Do I need to give any reasons? I gave enough yesterday. In summary, he is a cowardly hippy who preferred to skulk away on his arty commune rather than stand up and be counted, thus betraying his Noldorian ancestry. He took up a girly profession, thus proving him a cissy. When he was called upon to march to war, his commander trusted him so little that he relegated him to the role of mere flagbearer. And even then he couldn’t perform the one small task asked of him – to persuade Isildur to destroy the Ring.

And then there is his conduct on this show. He has hardly participated in the tasks, preferring to languish in his Last Homely Hut by the stream, monopolising the only water supply, holding pretentious poetry recitals and granting admittance only to those of sufficiently high birth. The one task that he did participate in, all he did was wave a flag and fail dismally to carry a bucket of water a few yards without spilling any, thus ensuring the failure of his team. Talk about history repeating itself!

And he is, like the phantom’s posts, boring the audiences rigid.

03-15-2006, 06:56 AM	#1
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	--> Celeborn? Is that you? How many ages does it have to take before you realize that ++CELEBORN deserves to be voted off? We can give more credit to the White Tree that bears the name than to the Elf. And I'm quite sure Moderadacil is referring to the Elf here. At least Celeborn the Tree was a meaningful symbol of something, while Celeborn the Elf isn't even the first person you'll associate with Lothlorien!

03-15-2006, 08:03 AM	#2
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	We'll never, never realise that Celeborn deserves to be voted off, because he doesn't. He isn't the first name you associate with Lothlorien, because he's modest, not because he's incapable. I'm glad to see someone is finally seeing sense. Down with the blot on this show, the complacent Lord who thinks he can waltz his way to power with the aid of tacky bling. A chance has occurred to prove that Maia or no Maia, Dark Lord or Lidless Eye, Sauron is just an exploiting, made-up vagabond with nary a spot of ability to his name. Forward the Witch King of Angmar! ++SAURON __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

03-15-2006, 08:13 AM	#4
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Attack whoever you choose, Ring-Bandit Gondor Boy, but you won't divert me from my divinely ordained mission! __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

03-15-2006, 08:32 AM	#7
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	To be quite honest, Lhuna, that's unadulterated balderdash... A Sinda of higher lineage than Amdir of Lorinand, had Celeborn chosen he could have rightfully taken the title of King of Lothlorien, by virtue of his kinship to Thingol, the greatest Sindar ruler ever known, and the first. Moreover, his rulership shows he would have deserved such a title. While his wife absorbed herself in moral conundrums and dilemmas over the Rings of Power, she would have stayed within Caras Galadhon, weaving cloaks, and staring into the Mirror. To the natives of Lothlorien, she would have been a distant figure. Celeborn, by contrast, spoke Sindar as his native tongue, led armies of Lothlorien in person, and was even aware of the local surroundings outside. His people would have been familiar with him as their patriarch and, yes, as their Lord-quite deserved. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

03-15-2006, 08:41 AM	#8
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	++SAURON 1. No imagination whatsoever. With all the designs he could have used for the One Ring, what does he pick? A plain gold band with tacky poetry. 2. Speaking of poetry, what is that all about? If he really wanted to hide his ring by making it plain, why is he putting depressing verses on it. That's stupid. 3. And speaking of stupid, what kind of intelligent Dark Lord ties his existence to a piece of tacky jewelry? Just opening up vulnerability to his enemies there. What happens if he loses it or some enterprising hobbit melts it down? Not very smart. 4. The whole Numenor business. Yes, he persuaded an attack successfully, but got himself drowned in the process. Lucky for him he was able to come back. Once again, pure incompetence at Dark Lording. Morgoth was the only real expert at being evil. Sauron is just a pale imitation. Get rid of him. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff. Last edited by Celuien; 03-16-2006 at 01:45 PM.

03-15-2006, 08:18 AM	#6
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	Modest? Modest you say? How can he be modest when he calls himself "Lord" yet doesn't even deserve the title? The only way he got it was through affiliation.