Survivor: The Second Age

[littlemanpoet]

The League of Extraordinary Barrow-Downers wishes to save Elrond, and so I will cast my vote for:

+ + FUINUR

Far be it from us to see any Noldor doomed to death.

[Alcarillo]

I'll have to side with the League.

++Fuinur

[Lalaith]

Its Extraordinary how this League supresses individuality....what a bunch of sheep, really....we in the Alliance positively encourage free-thinking.

++Isildur

reasons:
a. Elendili need whittling
b. Should have listened to Elrond, eh, Peredhil-lovers?

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Its Extraordinary how this League supresses individuality....what a bunch of sheep, really....we in the Alliance positively encourage free-thinking.

++Isildur

reasons:
a. Elendili need whittling
b. Should have listened to Elrond, eh, Peredhil-lovers?

You know what? I happen to share the League's interests in many cases, but I rather agree.

--FUINUR, ++SAURON OR GIFT-VOUCHER OR IVAN THE TERRIBLE OR WHATEVER IDIOCY HE CHOOSES TO CALL HIMSELF

[littlemanpoet]

You misunderstand. There is no supression of individuality. There is a unity of purpose. A drive! A force to be reckoned with! The will to win! We will win! Hah!

[Celuien]

Indeed. There is strength in numbers. And in common interests. Onward! Onward to victory!

[Elu Ancalime]

Your reason "I voted for Elrond because he wasn't popular in the last game" is not a solid reason compared to my text-based defense of Elrond, therefore I don't see how can you justify voting for Elrond. A decision like that adds nothing but randomness to the game.

But see, without randomness, either Sauron or Isildur would win by default, because Treebeard for example-conqured nothing in the Second Age that matches Middle-Earth.
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Ford Maverick (North America)

[the phantom]

But see, without randomness, either Sauron or Isildur would win

I do not believe it is that clear cut.

I think there are several characters that could be argued for besides Sauron and Isildur. One of the best candidates was Ar-Pharazon, but we killed him right off the bat. You know who to thank for that. That was one reason I defended him. He had the credentials to challenge for the title at the end.

Other characters that I believe it is possible to rally around are Gil-galad, Elrond, The Witch King, Celebrimbor, Elendil, and Galadriel (even though I can't stand her).

When I looked at the list on the very first day, I thought that a final grouping of Sauron, Elrond, Ar-Pharazon, and Isildur would have been great fun. The biggest baddie of the age, two big name Kings from the end of the age who both conquered Sauron but were also ensnared by him, and an enigmatic Elf-lord.

Though Ar-Phar is gone, I have not given up hope. I think we still have a chance to narrow the field down to several quality individuals and then have loud spirit filled debates to determine the winner.

[Formendacil]

The Fifth day of voting drew to an end, one candidate having garnered an overwhelming majority of votes, although the number of players increased. The final distribution of votes is as follows:

Elros: I
Glorfindel: I
Erendis: I
Isildur: I
Sauron:

Elrond: II

Fuinur: IIIII IIII

Fuinur, little known and ill loved, was evicted by the largest vote thus far. Sacrificed for Elrond's sake, he departed the game, never to return (as stated in the rules...).

Those remaining:

Tribe of the Noldor:
Ereinion Gil-galad,
Elrond Peredhil
Galadriel
Celebrimbor
Glorfindel

Tribe of the Sindar:
Celeborn
Círdan
Orophir
Celebrían

Tribe of the Númenoreans:
Elros Tar-Minyatur
Erendis
Tar-Míriel

Tribe of the Elendili:
Amandil
Elendil
Isildur
Anárion
Ohtar

Tribe of the Other Speakers:
Narvi
Fangorn (Treebeard)
Fimbrethil

Tribe of the Baddies:
Sauron
The Witch-king
Khamûl

Day 6 begins now! Vote as you please.

[Formendacil]

Attention People, your Moderator has a quick announcement to make...

The past Day started off the great Save Elrond campaign with the Phantom asking Elu Ancalime to explain his vote for Elrond.

Now, in the past couple games, the moderators had requested that all votes be accompanied by some sort of rationale- a rule put in place to stimulate debate.

When I set up this game, I deliberately didn't put any such rule in place. After all, the fun here is the alliances and the arguments and the petty squabling and revenge- right?

Well, maybe or maybe not.

This is, don't forget, a Tolkien-based game. So, I would like to see, if possible, some reasoning, preferably Tolkien-based, no matter how illogical or distorted, to accompany your votes.

This does not mean that votes without a rationale will necessarily be disqualified. As the day just ended shows, a little bit of lack of reasoning CAN stimulate debate and make for an awesome day.

However, just to make it quite clear, if the Moderator (that would be me) so desires, he can and possibly will, disqualify votes lacking a reason- votes such as Elu Ancalime made yesterday.

I might, or I might not. To vote without a rationale, therefore, is a gamble. I advise doing so with caution.

Thank you, you may return to the search for the lovely Amanda.

[Anguirel]

Those treacherously removed by the insidious Alliance of Ultra-Doom

Ar-Pharazon
Tar-Aldarion
Amdir

Those cunningly driven out by the Heroic Resistance of Individual Freethinkers

Thorondor
Durin III
Herumor

Those overwhelmed by the League of Extraordinary Barrow-Downers

Fuinur


The balance swings against the Alliance as a powerful new player enters the stage...

But as the Alliance is now in the unlikely position of underdog, it's possible that it will wheedle back some support.

As for me, I shall vote once more for a character I dislike who is, methinks, unlikely to have the League's backing...thereby keeping Individual Freethinking alive...

Down with grasping Maia! Down with cursed jewelry! L'Imagination Au Pouvoir!

++ANNATAR, LORD OF TACKINESS

EDIT: In other news, this evening I am due to arrive at Mithlond, Lindon, to attend a rock concert performed by Ereinion Gil-Galad and his backing group, Cirdan and Elrond...perhaps I shall find Amanda this time...

[Lhunardawen]

How I have erred! Please accept my most humble apologies, Lord Phantom.

I have realized just now why I should keep Elrond around as long as possible. Mostly because of association, admittedly, but I still shouldn't give him my vote before others less worthy of staying in the game are booted out.

With that said, allow me to vote thusly:

++CELEBORN

Teleporno. Need I say more? (Many thanks to Nilp, in LotR Survivor.)

Besides, what a wimp he is, letting a woman overshadow him.

[Anguirel]

Lhuna, you do not know what terrible, terrible wrath you have just unleashed.

[Lhunardawen]

I think I do. Not that it matters.

I want him out!!!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Just following instructions: (SpM)

No, I meant the space, like this:

+ +

as opposed to this:

++

But whatever.

++Glorfindel

Really, he lets that spoiled Elf Arwen steal his horse. That 'Balrog' he 'beat' must have been a foot and a half tall. And wingless.

[Lhunardawen]

And your vote has nothing to do with dancing spawn making an elaborate case against him, I take it?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

And your vote has nothing to do with dancing spawn making an elaborate case against him, I take it? (Lhunadaga )

Such a banal accusation against me. I have a mind of my own, mind you.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

As for me, I shall vote once more for a character I dislike who is, methinks, unlikely to have the League's backing...thereby keeping Individual Freethinking alive...

I'm delighted that you are showing an example of thinking independently, Sir Anguirel. Would it be possible for me to interest you in a brief cooperation that would hopefully turn out to benefit both of our campaigns?

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I forgot to vote in that previous post. I still think that the tribe of Noldor would look 20% more glorious at the very instant when Glorfindel is kicked out for the same reasons as yesterday.

++Glorfindel

[The Saucepan Man]

I rather fail to see anything "extraordinary" about this so-called League ...

And the more people that profess to be members of it, the more it looks suspiciously like a close-knit alliance. One that threatens to dominate the show. It must be resisted.

Some rather good points have been made in favour of evicting Glorfindel. And I must profess that my only real interest is, as always, to try to maintain balance between the tribes. The Noldor and the Elendili are looking rather strong so, right now, I will place my vote for:

+ + GLORFINDEL

So pathetic in the Second Age that he had to be given another opportunity in the Third. When his sole contribution was to have his horse nicked by Arwen.

Although I remain open to sensible suggestions for any member of the Noldor or Elendili tribes.

[Glirdan]

Must save Glorfindel!!!

++Celeborn

Where oh where has Folwren wandered off to in my time of need?? Lhuna, I shall join forces with you. Let's get rid of this, this.....ah, I can't think of anything mean to say about him as you already said it. Besides, Galadriel does all the work. Celeborn is only there for moral support.

[Kuruharan]

Announcer: Noooobody knoooooows the trouble I seen,
Noooobody knoooooows my sorrow…

Oh, we’re back. Who cares. The light has gone out of my life. My joy, my happiness. Now all I have are my *hic* memories…and this bottle of Captain Ishmael Strangereek’s for company…

Color Commentator: And they say I’m a lush. Two elves seem to be on the agenda for today. Apparently, the electors are finding the overabundance of elves to have a similar effect to two flasks of Cap’n Strangereek’s Amber Amnesia on an empty stomach.

Announcer: Noooobooody knoooooows, how drrry I…errr…am

Color Commentator: Speaking of Amber Amnesia, much to his embarrassment, Kuruharan has realized that he totally forgot to actually cast a vote yesterday. Ooops.

Meanwhile, in a dark underwater lair…

Spokesperson: Fellow members of H.A.G., I call this meeting to order. We have before us a great opportunity! We have the chance to kill the gorgeous Amanda Bobblehead!!

wild applause

Spokesperson: My friends, I too can barely restrain my glee at the chance to destroy this icon of male fantasy…

wild applause and cheering

Spokesperson: Please, we must have order…order…THERE IS A DANGER!!! Thank you. Secret Agent Double Oh-Point Five has been assigned the task of tracking her down and rescuing her.

wild sounds of fury

Spokesperson: That’s right my friends…and what fate do we have in store for those who attempt to defend such fixtures of the male libido as sideline reporters?

H.A.G.: DEATH, DEATH, DEATH!!!

Spokesperson: BAWH-HAWH-HAWH-HAWH!!!

Director: The forces of H.A.G. have been unleashed against the steely will of Secret Agent Double Oh-Point Five. Will he be able to survive? Will he find and rescue Amanda Bobblehead? Will he triumph in the end? Since this is a cheap cable channel production, we will have to wait to find out after these commercial messages.

[Lalaith]

....I'm assuming this is satire, Kuru.....

[Lalaith]

....oh yes....the voting.

Glorfindel - it's not *his* fault he became the poster boy of a certain reactionary anti-Arwen fanboy element in the Third Age. But, let us actually re-examine this Third Age Glorfindel. He had the light of Valinor in his face, did he not....implying that he was only recently returned from his soujourn with Mandos.
So who is this Glorfindel anyway? The scion of the House of the Golden Flower of Gondolin? The Asfaloth chap? Both? Should he be around in the second age at all? I quote from the Encyclopaedia of Arda:

The question of Glorfindel's identity, then, brings us to a much wider, and highly relevant, question. Can we accept a writer's personal notes, whether written in preparation for a published work, or simply for personal satisfaction, as part of that writer's 'canon'?

So you see, keeping him around is not only confusing, it could open a can of literary worms compared to which the Balrog controversy and the Canonicity thread would seem like an ABC primer.

++GLORFINDEL

[Celuien]

Hmm. I'm fond of both Glorfindel and Celeborn.

My opinion of Celeborn was given rather extensively in a prior edition of this show. As for Glorfindel, well, he is an amazing character too. How can one not like a great Elf-lord, returned to Middle-earth from Mandos after defeating a Balrog? By special permission, I might add.

As for the Canonicity issue, I always enjoy a good can of worms.

I would like to introduce

++FIMBRETHIL

into today's voting for being relatively insignificant. All we know about this Entwife is that she disappeared. What does she really contribute? Not much. If we want to keep an Entish representative for now, it should be Fangorn, who at least aided the War of the Ring to some extent.

I hope the League will agree.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I am confusing these factions. And anyone who wants my support *coughyouknowwhoyouarecough* must realise that my agenda is very simple. Erendis must be eliminated.

Don't get me wrong, I love Elrond and Treebeard and I'd be very happy to see one of those two win this contest.

But my aim is to destroy that old witch. Spawn, I see your point; but Erendis generates 'the wrong kind of heat', as the wrestlers call it, and she will force viewers to turn off.

I'd vote but my computer seems to have turned it's back on me by altering certain settings...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++ERENDIS

A quick slap to the side of the head, and lo! it works again. (Who knew the bold function could be so complex?)

[Kuruharan]

I'm assuming this is satire

Is it Art imitating Life, or is it Life imitating Art?

Hmmmm...we ponderses this, preeeciousss, yeeesss, we ponderses...

I'm going to go ahead and at least for the time being vote...

++ Glorfindel

...because no Noldor have been voted off yet and it is high time for it. The Sindar have already suffered a casualty and we need to spread that around. So have the Other Speakers. Of the available Noldor, Glorfindel is the least compelling character. And Agent Double Oh-Point Five should be happy with this vote because Glorfindel was not a king. (I would think he would have noticed this point).

I might be willing to drop a clue about where he should search next if he'll change his vote.

[littlemanpoet]

Representing the League of Extraordinary Barrow-Downers, I deplore this many votes for Glorfindel.

Thus I shall do my part in adding to an alternative bandwagon which I wholeheartedly support.

++ Celeborn

....for removing Galadriel from amongst those numbered as fair maidens, however bold and proud (and tall ) and thus depriving the rest of us men a most suitably droolable and fetching lass;
....for marrying above his station.

He should have remained single and let Celebrimbor have her, at the very least. Wimp.

[Gil-Galad]

++ Glorfindel


ha ha glirdy

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

What's this? The Alliance thing is unanimously voting for Glorfindel? Yay for extra votes for him, but I hope the other 'clubs' won't make it their business to build some more or less random bandwagon just to spite them because otherwise I'll never have a chance to get Glorfindel lynched. I mean, voted off. Not that I'd mind if he got lynched. He would probably just keep reincarnating out of thin air like a weed anyway.

Originally Posted by Eomer

But my aim is to destroy that old witch. Spawn, I see your point; but Erendis generates 'the wrong kind of heat', as the wrestlers call it, and she will force viewers to turn off.

Ah, it took me a while to realize that you weren't calling me an old witch.... at least yet.

Well, if you are so sure that there's something wrong with the heating, or whatever you are saying ( ), I can't argue with that. Actually, if you vote for Glorfindel, I'll gladly help you getting rid of Erendis.

[Firefoot]

++Glorfindel

The Noldor seem to be the top guns in just about everything else, and Glorfindel doesn't really have much to do with the Second Age, anyway...

[Anguirel]

First, defence of freedom of the press and defiance of the mob mentality. That seems to mean: be done with the over-haughty Queen

--SAURON, ++ERENDIS

Following shortly...an update on the Amanda situation. Agent Anguirel reaches Mithlond and finds all not as it seems...

[Kuruharan]

First, defence of freedom of the press and defiance of the mob mentality. That seems to mean: be done with the over-haughty Queen

And earlier he was the one complaining about the regicide...

Maybe I should have literally specified what the vote should have been changed to.

Silly me.

I await the further adventures with the greatest of anticipation...

[Anguirel]

(The camera pans over a wide, grey sea. Waves lash. Foam leaps. Gulls squawk hauntingly.)

(We see a ship, tiny in the immense swell. It is purple, pink, gold, and silver in colour, and looks thoroughly tasteless against the Romantic, refined background.)

(Close-up on a familiar figue in black plate armour staring meaningfully out to sea.)

ANGUIREL: I am about to struggle with one of the most awesome, unstoppable and terrifying forces in Arda...

(A vast, vast wave towers above the ship. A storm is howling. Land comes into sight, still far off, and the distant lights of Mithlond.)

FAR-OFF VOICES: Gonna get me a paaal-aaant-iiiiir...gonna get me a Sil! Mar! Il!

ANGUIREL: ...elvish pop music.

(Cut to Anguirel walking through a street in Mithlond to Gil-Galad's palace, which is emanating raaave sounds. Anguirel approaches an Elven Bouncer, imposing and bearded.)

ANGUIREL: Excuse me, have you seen two humans here, a recently evicted King filing for divorce and a ravishingly attractive love goddess?

CIRDAN: Maybe I have, 'n maybe I haven't. Wasinitfame, yo?

ANGUIREL: (sighing) Never mind. Could I have a ticket for the next performance by Spearplay?

CIRDAN: It'll cost ya, mate.

(Cut to Anguirel in the front row. Ereinion Gil-Galad and his backing group, Glorfindel, Elrond and Celeborn, are onstage.)

ANGUIREL: Fans of Elven boybands say that they're at their best when illustrating the range of their tonality.

GIL-GALAD: Yaaah, yaaah, gonna beat Annataar!

ELROND: Er, yeah, um, yeah, yar. (Aside) Is this the sort of thing you wanted, my lord?

GLORFINDEL: And I'm singin' and slingin' becos Gold is best.

CELEBORN: What did you say?

GLORFINDEL: Gold is best.

CELEBORN: Oh yeah? Well is you hard enough for silver, yo?

(He grabs Glorfindel's hair and they collapse to the ground, scratching and biting.)

ELROND: (to Anguirel, apologetically) They're the best of friends really.

ANGUIREL: Quite...ah...have you seen a King called Tar-Aldarion?

ELROND: Yes, actually. He's been imprisoned for disorderly behaviour.

ANGUIREL: And was he accomp...

ELROND: Oh, her. Don't ask, friend. Just don't...

GIL-GALAD: (in tears) Amaaanda!

ELROND: There, there, my lord...try Eregion, old chap. You might just have better luck.

ANGUIREL: Thanks for the help.

(He clanks out in an easterly direction.)

[the phantom]

The Noldor seem to be the top guns in just about everything else

So we should kill them because they are superior?

I have always thought that people who have a grudge against "superior" people and want them out of the way are equally as bad as Hitler and his buddies who wanted everyone who was "inferior" out of the way. It's the same thing.

I've seen that attitude a lot on the Downs over the years, and it makes me sick. I will never vote someone off for being too good, too strong, too powerful, or too awesome, and neither should anyone else. That is a horrid attitude.

and Glorfindel doesn't really have much to do with the Second Age, anyway...

Now that is a reason I can respect. I think Glorfindel would be more of a First Age or Third Age favorite than a Second Age favorite. Because of that, I don't feel the need to mount a huge campaign to save him.

However, I definitely don't want to see Glorfindel go. He is wise, brave, and definitely good, and I think that anyone who would vote to kill him before some of our other options is crazy.

For those of you concerned with the abundance of elves, why don't you kill a Sindarin elf, like Oropher. What did he do, besides get himself and lots of his people killed in the battle against Sauron?

For those of you who want an elf dead, I suggest compromising and killing Oropher.

Now, if you want to kill Glorfindel because he is one of the Noldor, and you are concerned that the Noldorin tribe hasn't lost anyone yet, please remember that there is another tribe that has yet to lose someone- the Elendili!

Surely Anarion doesn't deserve to stand beside his great brother and father. And surely Ohtar, who ran away with Isildur's heirlooms while his company was being attacked, does not deserve a place amongst the great.

For those of you who want to see balance among the tribes, I suggest compromising and killing Ohtar or Anarion.

That is all for now. I have things to do.

[Lalaith]

I will never vote someone off for being too good, too strong, too powerful, or too awesome

So what's your problem with Galadriel, hmm?

[Firefoot]

And you, phantom, don't have enough respect for those who don't get enough credit. Anarion died while trying to defeat Sauron - that's worthy enough. And Ohtar, beloved and trusted by Isildur, is mighty enough in himself. He may not have been the valiant war hero, and because of this merits only passing mention, but why attack him for doing all that he could? He did not "run away" - he followed Isildur's command, which was to save the shards of Narsil at all costs, even that of "being held a coward who deserted me." And that is exactly what you are saying, phantom, you who are so supportive of Isildur would go against Isildur himself!

Sometimes the underdogs deserve a chance to let themselves show their mettle, and that doesn't happen while all these mighty Noldor and high kings are running around (Glorfindel, Elrond, Galadriel, Elendil, Isildur, to name a few). I don't have a grudge against them, but they aren't the only ones who should receive credit. So many other people that aren't mentioned much contributed so much behind the scenes and in smaller but no less important ways. You seem intent on obliterating them. It's like giving all the credit in a movie to the actors but never mentioning the people who made the sets, wrote the script, did the filming, etc.

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

It's like giving all the credit in a movie to the actors but never mentioning the people who made the sets, wrote the script, did the filming, etc.

That's rather pious. We all do that. Come on, how often do you think, in the middle of a searing love scene or something, "Oh, I say! We ought to remember the contribution of cinematographer #96!"

[Firefoot]

That's rather pious. We all do that. Come on, how often do you think, in the middle of a searing love scene or something, "Oh, I say! We ought to remember the contribution of cinematographer #96!"

But should it be like that (not necessarily during the movie, but...)? Why do you think they award Oscars for more than just acting? And just because it may be like that, does that mean it shouldn't change - at least here, in this game?