WWJ V: The Broken Souls

[Nogrod]

[JennyHallu]But as for suspects, neither Enca nor Naria, really seem that suspicious. My eyes are really more on Gil and Lommy. Gil's near-silence and unexplained votes (completely aside from the fact that it was for me..hehe) strike me as a great cover for a proverbially quiet wolf.

Do you have something to clear Enca or Naria? Both Anguirel and Eonwe have been suspecting Enca, and I have been suspecting Naria (along Holby etc.). So could you spell out some reasons, why they are not wolves? Saying that they "really don't seem that suspicious" is basically saying nothing.

And Lommy is loud, but she doesn't seem to make any risky statements. She follows what others say, and she seems to flip-flop a lot in her opinions.

These two seem to be offering us two completely different sides of the coin, and in my opinion both are equally likely to be wolvish.

Lommy is one, I will have to turn my attention more over to. That is sure. She plays with the flood-style - which I admit I am guilty of too sometimes - and it's hard to see the core from there. Maybe we should see again Roa's heroic analysis of Thin'lo, and add to them her posts after that.

Gil is more problematic. His vote yesterday - to Jenny - was just outrageous! If he's not going to come by with some good explanations about the reasons for his vote and reasons for his brevity, we should really think about his dealings with some rigor.

But what if, he is just a inept gamer having weak net-access? Can we afford lynching one innocent more?

I surely would like to hear something from Gil, before the day is at an end.

[Nogrod]

And just to play the joker before going to sleep, I must ask this:

Jenny: Why you
1) do not comment the obvious suggestion I had over Naria at the post just before you (enough time between them not to X-post), but just go on claiming that she does not "really seem that suspicious"?
2) as my seemingly devoted voter, consciously forgot me from the Holby's innocent list?

Just asking....

PS. I probably will be online just occasionally the next 15 hours. I'll promise to do my best at the last two hours of the day...

[JennyHallu]

Honestly, she just doesn't seem suspicious. Yes, two people have said they will be voting for her, but neither of them have given reasons either. Anguirel, yesterday, said that her analysis was "So quick to definitively analyse her own bandwagon (and to do it so well, too) thereby effortlessly sliding from the public gaze."

This sounds like Ang is casting suspicion on her because she did a good job of analysing the votes for THE Ka.

Frankly, I just don't feel like she's wolvish. Ang and Eonwe think she is, but I'd really appreciate hearing why they think this. I admit I may be completely off-base. I don't have any evidence that could prove she's innocent. But I don't think we've heard a good case against her yet. Eonwe says she suspects her, but hasn't said a word as to why. We lost two innocents yesterday. We cannot suspect anyone of wolvishness without really good reasoning.

As for your arguments against Naria, who is not in either my innocent list or my suspected list, I didn't really think much of them one way or the other. It was my impression that the two-days rule had been exercised in one game a long time ago, and I at least hadn't ever heard it mentioned. I assumed Naria voted for WQ because she didn't feel a silent player should be in the game, but wasn't sure if Sleepy was going to institute the rule. She hadn't expressed particularly strong feelings for or against anyone during the Day...

Which is frankly a far stronger point. She made a second very safe vote. Ok, now that you have forced me to consider, I think you have a very good case. I agree with you, and I will add Naria to my list of suspects.

SO...my suspicions lie mainly with Naria, Thinlomien, and Gil. Thank you for asking me to take a closer look at your argument. I still ask for more information regarding Enca before I make a judgement either way. Ang and Eonwe are both far more experienced at the game than I, so maybe they're seeing something I wouldn't think to suspect. I am definitely willing to learn from their experience.

[JennyHallu]

Oh and your second question. I only just looked up there and saw that I listed Ang twice. Ang, Roa, and Nogrod. Forgive me. I should quit playing WW and watching TV movies at the same time.

[Naria]

SLEEPY'S RULES (methinks a mod can pretty much make up a rule of whatever they want)

These are his:

-Non-Retraceable votes
-Double Lynchings are allowed
-When making a vote please keep it in a line seperate from the rest of the post and have it in bold with two pluses (++).
-Please stay invisible for your duration of the game
-Refrain from discussing the game outside of the game area
-There shall be no posting during the night
-The dealine is 2pm EST, 3pm CST and 7pm GMT
-It may be cliched but, 'Enjoy yourself!'

Nogrod, where does it say that one gets an automatic boot if there is a 2 day no post? I don't see one. And if there are outside rules that apply to every ww game then I am not aware of them. If I was then of course I would not have voted for WQ. I was after you, but during DAY 2 I had dropped some suspicion of you and went for the person that hadn't posted yet for reasons that I had stated.

Is it me or is Nogrod having a very easy time 'swaying' people? If there was a cobbler in this game I would seriously have to look into him.

Today's narration: When I first read it, I didn't see anything out of the ordinary. Then I re-read it, I know what I am and anyone that re-read it would also know. I am trying to save a now ordo Valier, and Thinlo keeps me from doing that. Valier then dies and I say "you fool" to Thinlo and punch her(Thinlo making Valier's death immenent in the voting).

I am wondering why so much attention is being brought on me....I thought I had put enough "substance" in my posts. I will defend myself if need be, as will others I'm sure(defend themselves). I feel that I am caught between the proverbial 'rock and a hard place'. I don't want to actually come out and say what I am, but I will if need be.

[Encaitare]

Just a quick one before I go to sleep. Anguirel and Eonwe, I would like an explanation of why exactly you suspect me so much. So far the only evidence you seem to present is a vote for a wolf and a good analysis, both which were beneficial to the village.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

We have too much of a past in common.

Ang, I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Are you still referring to that anvil thing? Because if you think I remember everyone's roles from way back when, you're giving me far too much credit.

Come tomorrow morning, I think I will vote for Thinlomien, because of Holby's vote for her yesterDay, or possibly Gil, if he hasn't posted at all by the time I vote.

[Anguirel]

Yes, I was referring to the anvil thing. It seemed...just within the bounds of possibility. It's also interesting that you remember it was "way back then". I made no mention of which village I referred to. As it happens, yes, it was the second one. What a fine memory you have, Grandmother.

But there are other reasons too, Enca. Jenny isn't picking up my tone of voice when I refer to your beautiful analyses.

You were the first to analyse the Ka bandwagon, of which you were a part. As a result, subsequent voters, drawing on your source, were bound to pay more attention to Jenny and Thinlomien than you.

Likewise, as Eonwe pointed out, you were the first to analyse Holbytlass' posts. Unless we go straight to the evidence-and some will just refer to your excellent account for convenience-we could be seeing Seer clues through wolf-tinted spectacles. For instance, your hint that Thinlomien could be a wolf-consistent with your earlier analysis. A set-up gathering pace?

One sin you're not guilty of is bringing up the second Seer. I repeat, speculation on whether that role is or is not on Holby's innocent list can only help our enemies. The Seer is to be heard but not seen until s/he dies or reveals his/her identity. Roa, Nogrod, Jenny, take note!

However, I would tend to associate this transgression with inexperience (whether wolvish or not), so it's no surprise to me that Enca keeps clean.

Finally, voting record. As Eonwe said, the position of your vote was a good deal more dangerous than you make out in your analysis. You voted at the turning of the tide-a typical, expert suspicion-avoidance vote.

Then yesterday you went with the general feeling again by voting Valier. As an innocent I would have expected you to strike out in a more...well, interesting...way. But as a wolf...an excellent vote. It emanates haplessness. "Look at me, I don't know what I'm doing, I've lynched an innocent at this stage, a wolf would never knowingly do that..."

There. There's my indictment, and, jurors, you can take it or leave it.

++ENCAITARE

[Thinlómien]

Holby was the seer, but she had only two dreams. The possibility (mathematically) to catch even one wolf in two nights is very small. I think you shouldn't judge me or Naria on that basis. And if a seer doesn't know any of the wolves, she/he votes as randomly as anyone else (of course probably ruling out her/his known innocent). So please don't vote me only just because Holby didn't know I was innocent.

Now this:

Thanks to those who took out a wolf yesterDAY, I'm sure at least one fellow wolf voted for The Ka.

said by a seer I think must mean something. I think it means that Holby had dreamed about somebody of us bandwagoners and revealed he/she was a wolf. The bandwagoners are: LMP, Roa_Aoife, me, Enca and Jenny. LMP has been revealed innocent. I trust Roa, because she took THE Ka fatally into spotlight and has posted very meaningful posts. I know I'm an innocent, so I rule myself out. It leaves Enca and Jenny as possible wolves. I think I'll do some analysis on them. By gut feeling I'd rather vote for Enca, but this needs some thought.

I hope Holby wouldn't have given so differing opinions on the matter. Because:

Originally Posted by Holby

At this point: my main suspects are Naria and Thinlomien

Naria is no Ka-bandwagoner and I'm no wolf. This troubles me; you'll probably lynch me because I am on both "lists". I hope you don't. Besides that it is nasty for me, the village loses again one innocent.

If we follow Nogrod's theory that those who Holby suspected were innocent are now at the top of the wolves' killing list, we really should catch a wolf toDay. I tell you, it would be again a dead innocent and two wolves still around if you lynch me. I can't ask you not to analyse or accuse me; you have the right to do that, but please don't vote me (though you again of course have the right to do so), because lynching me would be folly.

EDIT: xposted with Anguirel

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Naria

Today's narration: When I first read it, I didn't see anything out of the ordinary. Then I re-read it, I know what I am and anyone that re-read it would also know. I am trying to save a now ordo Valier, and Thinlo keeps me from doing that. Valier then dies and I say "you fool" to Thinlo and punch her(Thinlo making Valier's death immenent in the voting).

I just happened to come over Sleepy's narration too. And believe me Naria: I didn't remember that it was you who had analyzed it earlier (I remembered it being Jenny)!

And I must say, that the story really could be read in many ways - as is the purpose of it.

What I can see there is as follows:

Naria and Thinlómien are clearly one against another, both referring to each other as fools.

Naria seemed moved enough to help her, in fact she began to take a few steps forward only to get pulled back by Thinlomien, "She is our foe you fool,

Grimacing through the pain Naria looked hard at Thinlomien, "You fool!" she muttered sending a hard punch to her newly recieved wound causing her to faint.

Now it's quite clear that Thin should be acting on behalf of Valier's death in the narration, that anyhow was the case in the game yesterday. So why would Sleepy go on underlining that Thin is a villain - if she'd be one? So I mean, aren't you now reading a bit too much, and too easy on Sleepy's text? I remember you punching me about me not giving enough credit to Sleepy's writing! And now you try to imply, that that piece of narration clears you and makes Thin a wolf???

If we go on subtleties, might we also point out that:

Naria seemed moved enough to help her

So seemed, but maybe really wasn't...

But really. Can't say one way or another. Many ways to interpret this one...

Then there is this one about Jenny. Too little time for that now, but Jenny could herself elaborate, whether she had basically disliked killing WQ on grounds of not-posting, or were you ready to go for it? That could give us grounds to see this as significant or insignificant:

all of a sudden Witch_Queen let out a scream, everyone turned to her and watched in shock as she began to vomit blood. It seemed to go on forever causing JennyHallu to throw up (luckily it wasn't blood in her case)

But I can't see this as as important thing as that Thin vs. Naria -thing

X-posted from #240 onwards...

[Valesse]

Alright, well my time toDay has run out, how very short it has been. Hopefully I have slaked some of the village's want for my words, though I doubt I did enough to satisfy everyone.

I'm forced to be brief now.
Due to Holby's suspicion, Roa's point, and various other people's remarks as well as my own (constantly interupted) musing (seriously, do you think I want to be torn away from the computer?) I'm quite sure to vote for

++ Thinlómien

** Cross posted with Thinlo.