WWJ V: The Broken Souls

[Nogrod]

=JENNY A power failure at a hospital can, as I'm sure you can see, be catastrophic.

I apologize! I was mis-/uninformed.

=JENNY As for your suspicions regarding your accusers, Nogrod, I believe that nothing can be proven regarding Valesse and Valier. They cross-posted, and both posted early enough that I do accept it as a pure reaction to your (admit it) aggressiveness.

I'm about to think about the same, although I'm quite distracted with Valier's elusiveness...

Concerning my aggressiveness: who needs to be afraid of a vocal player who tries to do something?

Well, surely I admit. The aggressiveness. I don't want to post one "hello, what a pity s/he died" -post a day... That's miserable gaming.

And why is everyone so scared of their lives? This is a game! No-ones' really gonna die... So play in a dull way (not enjoying it) and keep yourself alive two more days? What's the fun there?

=ANGUIREL I disagree with you, Jenny, about the motive of our hypothetical Nogrod-voting wolf. I'm pretty sure they'd be counting on the gathering momentum to save their comrade...unsuccessfully, but at that stage they weren't to know that.

Well, I kind of had that feeling too. Otherwise it truly baffles me... I mean: two out of three last votes (within the last 1½ hours), would anyhow seemed "natural": people quite not knowing what to do, and distasting my style of playing. But three is a lot! 100% of votes at the last call, when couple of votes were still waited in - and happily never came. With double lynching, I would have been a goner with those both sleepers on board, getting on board the wagon...

Detail: Valier's and Naria's votes came in after Roa had apologized, that she had been wrong, and that double lynchings were indeed the rule!!!

But I do simultaneosly think, that they couldn't be the two of them there: it would be too obvious. And again: very cunning wolves could count on just that - nobody would believe, that two of them would bandwagon with a last instant vote!

Well you never know.

First stage: you are a fool and reveal yourself

Second stage: you are wise and hide yourself

Third stage: You are very wise and reveal yourself, and then defend by saying, I'm not a fool (1st. stage)

Fourth stage: You are overtly cunning, and hide yourself, and defend yourself by saying, that you are not just some medium player who would try to hide oneself (2nd. stage)

Fifth stage: ... etc.

Good night,

and happy birthday Valesse!

PS. this is not like a birthday gift, but I'd like to mention, that I really am beginning to think, that you are the least suspicious one of the three of you...

[Nogrod]

My last add-on for now:

Jenny! I kind of accepted your explanation concerning my quite innocent notion concerning the posting times between you and Thin'lo. Even though, I wondered, why did you have to defend so overwhelmingly (well I'm the one to accuse someone about overwhelming self-defence!? ). But anyhow. The thing that caused me to put forward this one is here:

As for your suspicions regarding your accusers, Nogrod, I believe that nothing can be proven regarding Valesse and Valier. They cross-posted, and both posted early enough that I do accept it as a pure reaction to your (admit it) aggressiveness.

Why is it, that you are outright lying with this one?

(all times GMT)

Valesse posted her vote: 5:41

Valier posted 6:07

Naria 6:37

So there is 26 minutes between Valesse and Valier, and no mentioning of cross-posting!

I really was suspecting Naria before that, but now I have to admit, that her scorn over me could be from outside this game (or partly from within this one), and probably be purely personal, well, who knows? Something like that would explain her harshness etc. ("my presence being not helpful at all")

One possible combination of wolves could be Jenny and Valier...? And there are lots of other combinations too.

Read this clearly: this is not an accusation, this is a lead for anyone to see through, to analyze, to whatever.

Just suggesting alternative theories. That's what we have to do, if we are to take down the wolves... We will have to see different possibilities through and then to ponder over them. I myself have made a couple of light cases / questions, and admitted them being wrong the moment, being given a good explanation to them.

And as in the last game (my first), I do the same thing in this game too, and ask for you to accuse me also! Do it not by saying: I don't like him or his playing style, or I have a hunch he's "out for blood" etc. but make some solid accusations! Only with those can I show my innocense and make you believe, I'm for the good of the village (and avoid those creepy bandwagons of the night...)!

[Nogrod]

PS to the earlier one's...

I'll have to try to get my own head straight with these two last posts. First I was thinking having a good case on the first one, then on this second one.

What differentiates these two posts? Additional information.

So write people, write...

Maybe we will have something done when the evening comes?

[Roa_Aoife]

So, LMP was innocent, and now I find that our attackers are werewolves! How many more may be among us?

Reporting in for the moment. I am here, and I will have some analysis soon. (Good talkative village. I have something to work with.) I see Nogrod is as agressive and accusatory as before. I'd like to remind you that if you are innocent making yourself overtly lynchable does nothing to help the village. This is a team sport, remember: Us (Villagers) vs. Them (Werewolves). The object is to wipe out the otherside. It does us no good if you do the wolves' work for them. And the wolves have an advantage- they know who their teammates are, and can act together. We, on the other hand, are working quite seperately because we cannot trust each other.

Back Soon!

[Naria]

I'd like to address a few things here from bottom to top:

Nogrod

Detail: Valier's and Naria's votes came in after Roa had apologized, that she had been wrong, and that double lynchings were indeed the rule!!!

I for one knew that double-lynching was a rule before Roa has said anything. I did read the rules.

So, don't read too much into what Sleepy has said about me....it won't get you very far Am I just seeing something where there is nothing, but this could be read as a clear threat!!! Read it in that light, and you will see it...

What threat? It wasn't meant to be a threat at all. It's the truth. And yes I would definitely say that you are seeing something that isn't there.

Wow, looks like the time is drawing near so I shall vote now. And this remark is done only some ½ hours later from the earlier one!!! Wow - indeed! What a surprise to her it must have been?

I didn't look at the time after I had done my longer post and thought I had more time. I came back to see what was going on and saw the time was getting on and voted. And yes it did surprise me, hey I'm a fun loving kind of gal!

So she's ignoring the reply, and repeating the accusation that was shown ill informed or misunderstood

My bad, sorry! I just looked now and you had backed off a bit.

having someone like him around would not help at all... So it's not helpful to have someone around, who really tries to make the difference

Again, I'm sorry. You have clearly misunderstood me here. Of course it is good to have someone around that is helpful in their thinking, sure. However, the making a difference part I guess would be how each of us looks at ones posts and making our own minds up if that person has made a difference or not.


Another thing that I find weird is, in his analysis post of me, he spells the word 'Wolf' correctly five times but then at the end he spells wolf with a 'u' instead of an 'o'. Maybe nothing, might just be a typo....hm mm.

And yes, Nogrod I am aware that you are sleeping right now. I can't help that our timezones are different, business as usual.

I would like to catch us another wolf, instead of bickering back and forth. I will address concerns, but do not wish to bicker hence forth.

Gahh, looks like I went and did another long post.

[Naria]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I really was suspecting Naria before that, but now I have to admit, that her scorn over me could be from outside this game (or partly from within this one), and probably be purely personal, well, who knows? Something like that would explain her harshness etc. ("my presence being not helpful at all")

Maybe....point taken though! I will leave outside hindrances at the door when I come into this game from now on. Still, if I have a hunch or my gut is telling me something is fishy about you(or anyone else) I will take a look.

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, I need to point out that while the clue about one wolf was clear in the intro, it's unlikely that any other clue would be that obvious. (I think Sleepy was messing with THE Ka on that one. ) Clues are most certainly in there, but I doubt we'd be able to spot them so easily again. And anything could have a double meaning. As LMP said before he died, the clues may just be mind boggling.

[Gil-Galad]

sorry for not being too big of a player right now, i must re-read the votes and vote before i have to leave...

[Roa_Aoife]

sorry for not being too big of a player right now, i must re-read the votes and vote before i have to leave...

Oh dear, it seems we have a Gandalf repeat. *sigh* Moving on...

Analysis of THE Ka Bandwagon:
After LMP and myself (who I cannot analyze with any sort of objectivity), we have Enca, Thin, and Jenny. It's highly probable that one of these is a wolf. However, it is not altogether certain, since the craftier wolves tend to avoid grouping as much as possible. In the interest of finding something worth looking at, though:

Enca Analysis:
Day 1
1st post- General in character nonsense
2nd - Remarks on nudging quiet ones, but not too hard
3rd - Checks in again, says vote will likely be random
4th - Long. Wants to keep options open regarding quiet ones. Doesn't want to base a lynching on Sleepy's posts. Restates vote record twice. Says kill could go anyway with so many people left to vote. (The number of remaining votes was 8, after her vote.) Decides on voting Ka apparently due to LMP's analysis.

Day 2
1st - Small summary analysis of Ka voters. Thinks one my be a wolf, but seems to justify every voter and doesn't suspect any of them. Has presently taken leave and says she will return.

These are the objective facts of Enca's posting. I'll analyze them according to what I see separately, so as not to sway anything.

Thin's and Jenny's will be up next.

[Roa_Aoife]

Oh, this was a lot of work.

Thin's Analysis
Day 1
1st post - Rhyme about RL issues, questions Nogrod, says first day is all nonsense.
2nd - Greets Jenny, agrees that looking at Ang for rhymes and Valier for typed accent is a good place to start.
3rd - Double post. Comes against with evidence against Roa based on Sleepy's posts, but says she's not accusing her. Says previous remark on role-playing is generally nonsense.
4th - Triple post. Questions Ang's lack of suspicion for her.
5th - Quadruple post. Agrees on giving more time to the silent ones. Says W_Q's silence is not enough to convict.
6th - Quintuple post. Questions own reasoning on Ang, wonders if Jenny has completed her analysis.
7th - Would be sextuple post, except cross-posted with Holbytlass. Changes mind and says she understands Nogrod's point about nonsense posts.
8th - Double post. Agrees that non-voting doesn't help. Agrees that Naria and Valier are "slippery" but there is time left for them to improve posts. Thinks Jenny isn't as bad.
9th - Triple post. Agrees with Naria that waiting is really all one can do on first day. Suggests that the enemy is one that no one has yet suspected. Thinks accusing everyone wouldn't be helpful, but also thinks that watching the reactions to accusations is. Lists votes.
10th - Wonders about the "pressing the silent one's" theory, and about the grouping on that idea.
11th - Nothing post.
12th - Says again that first day is nonsense.
13th - Again wonders about the "silence theory"
14th - Reanalyzes day and realizes that there really was no grouping on the "silence theory"
15th - Thinks Ang is moving on the "silence theory" trend, points out Enca's lack of substance
16th - Thinks Roa's theory is a good one.
17th - Says theory is better, and Roa is unlikely a wolf.
18th - Sarcasm at Eonwe's method of voting. Thinks that some formula is possible. More sarcasm at Eonwe's theory.
19th - Wonders why Roa thinks Sleepy would use "that kind of subtlety"
20th - Wonders about opening poem. Looks at hint in Naria's post, but brushes it off.
21st - Thinks looking at avies is over-kill.
22nd - Replies to LMP's post.
23rd- Says she's accusing Ka rather than defending her. Quotes herself to show defense and attack. Thinks Roa's theory is solid, but doesn't want to take sides.
24th - Wants to hear from Gil, Valesse and Valier.
25th- Agrees that Sleepy is clever, thinks she will bandwagon on the Ka vote
26th - Says Valier is using her accent as a cover.
27th - Nothing post
28th - Says Valier is assuming that the accent will take attention from her posts. Asks why Valier distrusts Nogrod and trust Ka
29th - Nothing post
30th - Points out that she brings up more than one side of the matter. Says she isn't accusing Enca.
31st - Doesn't blame Valier's gut instinct. Votes Ka admits to bandwagon but believes Ka is the most suspicious.

Day 2
No posts yet (Thank God. That was tedious.)