WWJ IV: Let the insanity ensue - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mithalwen · 02-19-2006, 10:41 AM

Wow .... lots to read for once ....

I am sorry I cannot be around more but I don't have the internet at home so I have had to drive to a cyber cafe (20 mile trip) to get in now. It is just the best I can do...

Mithalwen · 02-19-2006, 11:14 AM

BLimey .. I really am going to have to read carefully - since has been pointed out this is desperate. We have so few active players and those that are are in incompatible timezones. I have a horrible feeling that it will be another repeat of the Sleepy Ranger thing.... Is there any point in commenting more... I feel like I will be talking to myself again and so might aswell keep my own counsel ....

Nogrod · 02-19-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Is there any point in commenting more... I feel like I will be talking to myself again and so might aswell keep my own counsel ....

You know as well as I do, that we need everyone's comments here. So don't refrain from this! We have a wolf to catch tonight.

Mithalwen · 02-19-2006, 12:24 PM

The quietness bugs me.... the wolves could all be quiet and just feeding off our ideas... I am not sure I made a good call with sleepy but I really didn't think Jenny was guilty. Anyway it is too late too worry about that now. With the ranger gone we have even less margin for error.

I will do my best - but my record on spotting wolves is not great. Other than the first game I have only managed to vote for one when I only had a choice of 2!

So the only vote so far is for Valier ....... Well she has never exactly figured on my probable innocents lists due to the frothy insubstantial posts on the first 2 days. She still thinks I am a clever wolf despite the fact that if I were a wolf I would have wasted two opportunities to dispose of the one person who had accused me. Thinlomien and Folwren both had suspicions of Valier so she profits more by their deaths.

Nogrod, you seem very confident about Roa and I need more than a backwards skim read to understand exactly why so bear with me.

I also want to look at what little, our absentees have left us. Eonwe and Elu as well as Jenny and Gandalf... though some are less absent than others...! At this stage I can't continue to take Jenny's innocence for granted ... so I'll be back... sorry this has taken so long... but I have had to retype

Nogrod · 02-19-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Nogrod, you seem very confident about Roa and I need more than a backwards skim read to understand exactly why so bear with me.

I also want to look at what little, our absentees have left us. Eonwe and Elu as well as Jenny and Gandalf... though some are less absent than others...! At this stage I can't continue to take Jenny's innocence for granted ... so I'll be back... sorry this has taken so long... but I have had to retype

I am confident about it, and you should be too, if you follow her fall during this day's discussion: error after error, and then panic. Wulfish, not ordo-like.

If you read Jenny's post onthe discussion thread, you would have noted, that her absence could continue up to Monday (RL-time). So maybe that is no reason to jump on her. I kind of remember, that it was you, who made quite an emotional speech for her RL in a less critical situation - for a cause, I agree! But now you are ready to turn your back, when the wolves could be caught?

Are you also starting to slip? I hope you aren't. Wouldn't like to see you as the last WW nominee...

Mithalwen · 02-19-2006, 01:17 PM

[QUOTE=Nogrod]

If you read Jenny's post onthe discussion thread, you would have noted, that her absence could continue up to Monday (RL-time). So maybe that is no reason to jump on her. I kind of remember, that it was you, who made quite an emotional speech for her RL in a less critical situation - for a cause, I agree! But now you are ready to turn your back, when the wolves could be caught?

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No, I am aware that she won't have posted, in my hasty retype I omitted a qualifying phrase... and I still think that she is genuinely innocent but in my last game I was happily saying that i was sure a wolf was innocent until I had a choice of 2 and it became relatively obvious I had been wrong. You will understand that in these dire circumstances, it is sensible to check everything. And so I will ...but I have been distracted by other matters so I am a bit behind.

I do stand by my speech on principle but I doubt my own judgement. It was nasty to accuse Jenny of using her RL as cover... but that doesn't automatically mean she is innocent. I believe her innocent but it isn't proof. But she is certainly not high up my list ..quite the reverse.

Valier · 02-19-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mith

Thinlomien and Folwren both had suspicions of Valier so she profits more by their deaths.

I don't see how I would profit from their deaths. Don't you see what the Wolves are doing? They are using me like a pawn, they didn't kill me last night because alot of you suspect me. They would be stupid to kill an Ordo everyone suspects, it takes the heat away from them. They want you to think I killed the people who suspected me. I'm not that "Frothy"

I find that there is usually a "Loud" wolf who uses the quiet Wolves at their disposal. The quiet ones will eventually bite the dust because of their quietness. But the "loud" wolf almost always sticks out their neck early on and makes it to the end, because they have "proven" their "innocence", by voting for their fellow wolves.Take this as you will, but I assure you I have seen this before. If we don't get the louder wolf first they will surely win.

Nogrod · 02-19-2006, 01:32 PM

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=Valier
Firefoot has been pretty much concentrating on me and Roa. I think Roa is an Ordo because if she is a wolf I don't think she would have voted for me again today after I declared my innocence yesterday.

What kind of an argument is that??? Would you please elaborate a little? I'm taking this as a highly susceptible one. How on Middle Earth would anyone's plead about his/her innocence lead straightly to certain reactions on part of the others?

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Mithalwen
You will understand that in these dire circumstances, it is sensible to check everything.

I'm beginning to feel quite the contrary. We need to have suspects with some real backing now, not those "there is a possibility of X being something or another, but really couldn't say". Let's not waste our time (1½ hours), but bring forth good cases!

EDIT: Cross-posted with Mith & Valier

Valier · 02-19-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Firefoot

The problem is that it is only really helpful if there is real substance and amount to people's posts; it didn't reveal much about Eonwe or Elu, but Valier's turned up some interesting things

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I don't see what you found interesting in my posting.If you would care to elaborate.

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After doing this, I have become quite suspicious of Valier. I can’t really tell if she’s a sloppy wolf or just frothy and rather… inept? It seems entirely possible to me that if she’s a wolf she wants to attack the loudmouths because the other two wolves are both quiet ones

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I don't know how else to put this so you will get it. I am not "Frothy" are you insinuating that I have rabies? Am I foaming at the mouth? I just don't get this. Yes I am getting defensive! I don't know how else to defend myself to you. Anyone can find wolfish behavior in any post they read.

I don't want to be killed just because you think I'm inept. That is how I post! I am trying to be as helpful as I can.

I believe I know who the seer is and I am pretty sure they would have dreamt of me last night.We need to kill a WOLF today not another Ordo or worse yet our Seer.

I don't like that Roa just followed Firefoots analysis of me today and voted for me again.Like I said yesterday there are key players and YES I did say they are normally loud innocents and YES I still voted for Mith. As for my vote for her it was because I really was confused and voted for someone who I really felt at the time could be a wolf. Firefoot has been pretty much concentrating on me and Roa. I think Roa is an Ordo because if she is a wolf I don't think she would have voted for me again today after I declared my innocence yesterday.

I think today Firefoot has swayed enough people towards killing me, but to me this sounds kind of like what a cobbler would do and since we don't have a cobbler I lean towards him being a wolf. But with all the people not contributing I find this game the hardest to play so far. I could be wrong about Firefoot, but then again maybe not. I have played fairly well in other games even with my "Frothyness" and have still managed to lynch a few wolves here and there. So maybe we should not look badly at me because of the way I post.

02-19-2006, 10:41 AM	#1
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Wow .... lots to read for once .... I am sorry I cannot be around more but I don't have the internet at home so I have had to drive to a cyber cafe (20 mile trip) to get in now. It is just the best I can do... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-19-2006, 11:14 AM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	BLimey .. I really am going to have to read carefully - since has been pointed out this is desperate. We have so few active players and those that are are in incompatible timezones. I have a horrible feeling that it will be another repeat of the Sleepy Ranger thing.... Is there any point in commenting more... I feel like I will be talking to myself again and so might aswell keep my own counsel .... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-19-2006, 12:24 PM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	The computer swallowed my post! The quietness bugs me.... the wolves could all be quiet and just feeding off our ideas... I am not sure I made a good call with sleepy but I really didn't think Jenny was guilty. Anyway it is too late too worry about that now. With the ranger gone we have even less margin for error. I will do my best - but my record on spotting wolves is not great. Other than the first game I have only managed to vote for one when I only had a choice of 2! So the only vote so far is for Valier ....... Well she has never exactly figured on my probable innocents lists due to the frothy insubstantial posts on the first 2 days. She still thinks I am a clever wolf despite the fact that if I were a wolf I would have wasted two opportunities to dispose of the one person who had accused me. Thinlomien and Folwren both had suspicions of Valier so she profits more by their deaths. Nogrod, you seem very confident about Roa and I need more than a backwards skim read to understand exactly why so bear with me. I also want to look at what little, our absentees have left us. Eonwe and Elu as well as Jenny and Gandalf... though some are less absent than others...! At this stage I can't continue to take Jenny's innocence for granted ... so I'll be back... sorry this has taken so long... but I have had to retype __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-19-2006, 01:17 PM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	[QUOTE=Nogrod] If you read Jenny's post onthe discussion thread, you would have noted, that her absence could continue up to Monday (RL-time). So maybe that is no reason to jump on her. I kind of remember, that it was you, who made quite an emotional speech for her RL in a less critical situation - for a cause, I agree! But now you are ready to turn your back, when the wolves could be caught? QUOTE] No, I am aware that she won't have posted, in my hasty retype I omitted a qualifying phrase... and I still think that she is genuinely innocent but in my last game I was happily saying that i was sure a wolf was innocent until I had a choice of 2 and it became relatively obvious I had been wrong. You will understand that in these dire circumstances, it is sensible to check everything. And so I will ...but I have been distracted by other matters so I am a bit behind. I do stand by my speech on principle but I doubt my own judgement. It was nasty to accuse Jenny of using her RL as cover... but that doesn't automatically mean she is innocent. I believe her innocent but it isn't proof. But she is certainly not high up my list ..quite the reverse. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace