Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVII: The Saga Continues to Continue quite Continuously

[Glirdan]

Alas!! Those voices in my head were trying to tell me someone was missing!! To bad they were saying it was Nilp who the Wolves attacked. Maybe I should stop listening to those voices. They're starting to creep me out. And out woodwright is dead!! This is indeed a sad Day. Although I didn't quite like Aiwendil, he was one whom I never suspected. We need to find these tortoises...I mean Woles quickly!!

I deliberately asserted that I was above suspicion, knowing that it was a ridiculous thing to say, so ridiculous in fact that most people would just ignore it. My thought was that only those who were looking for some reason to cast suspicion on me would pick up on it. Since I know that I am innocent, that would suggest possible Wolfish behaviour to me. A few people commented on it, but only Kath made something of an issue of it (and, indeed, it seems to have led her to cast suspicion on me). It is not much, I accept, and I would not vote for her solely based on that, but it might mean something in the days to come.

Well SpM, I must say that that was a smart and daring move and that I did question it when I first saw it. However, you could very well being pulling a double bluff on us and I wouldn't put it past you to do that. You're definetly smart enough to pull it off. That just made me even more uneasy about you.

I must agree with Cailin's theory on why the Wolves attacked Aiwendil. He was smart and also not under suspicion. The perfect target. By attacking him, they left us no clues pointing towards anyone in particular and leaving us back at square one.

I'm going to go back and scan through some of the post's left by the deceased. I shall be back later.

*RL Comment* If I'm not back, it's because I got kicked off the computer and I won't be posting much for the next few Days because I go back to school starting tommorrow. Don't take my absence as suspicious. *RL Comment Ended*

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

However, you could very well being pulling a double bluff on us and I wouldn't put it past you to do that.

How could it work as a double bluff? It hardly works as the single bluff that I intended it to be.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Shelob

The most obvious reason "why not", and the one you're "Hmmm" seems to favour, would be that they were wolves. Doesn't that seem overly perfect and nice?

Quite possibly. But it is interesting how Glirdan put forward this theory at a time when Formendacil, Valier and Wayne each had one vote and only two other votes had been cast. Wayne and Valier go on to garner quite a few votes. And then, overnight, one of those who saw some attraction in the theory gets killed.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Valier

I totally disagree on your "Policy" some of us are not as anylitical as others and the only time votes are validated is if the person killed is a wolf ... The only reason any Ordo would vote for someone was because they thought they were a wolf, some times giving a reason why is no better than saying nothing.

The purpose of my proposed "Policy" was actually to try to prevent those who are not as analytical as others being lynched for that reason alone. But I don't think that it is unreasonable to ask that people give some kind of reasoning for their votes. It is helpful to see how others are thinking. It doesn't have to be a detailed analysis. But something is better than nothing.

[Valier]

I do agree SPM that players should give some reason even if it is that their vote is rushed, But I don't like the part about a vote or reasons for a vote have to be valid because we would only find out that there reason was valid if they voted correctly and lynched a wolf. With saying that I think we should just hope against hope that players come up with some reason. On with the game! (Giggle)

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Shelob

Um, not that I can see. The timing doesn't really play into it so far as I can tell.

At that time, quite a bit of suspicion had already been cast in Wayne's direction, if not towards Valier. My point is that it's possible Glirdan, if he is a Wolf, has subtly been trying to direct the voting towards one or more of these three without actually voting for any of them himself. Another point to note is that he said that he would probably not be voting for me but rather for one of his other suspects (Valier or Wayne) - but then ended up voting for me. A vote which I have already noted might be seen as a "safe" vote for a Wolf to cast.

I admit that it's not much by itself, but it's something to add to the pot.

Originally Posted by Valier

But I don't like the part about a vote or reasons for a vote have to be valid because we would only find out that there reason was valid if they voted correctly and lynched a wolf.

Ah, I get your meaning and it's a fair point. By "valid", I meant something with some kind of substance to it - something more, for example, than just voting for someone because of the way they are behaving when they always act like that, or voting for someone based on their occupation.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Well, well. I'm still alive. Cool!

Well, first, let's question a few answers, and vice-versa:

Finally, are these Bethiril and Narvi perhaps codenames? Should we jumble them, rearrange them and propose some wacked theory concerning their real identities? (Cai)

So far as I can recall, of all the people who has ever played WW, only CoD, Fordim, Aman, Mithalwen, Saurreg, Perks, and Esgal may have an idea who Bethiril or Narvi are. But they're not here, so there.

Nilp - I'm not going to bother. It's obvious. Nilp is being himself. Expect my wrath to full upon ye, ye who vote for the mentally unstable. (mäuschen der sein kurz)

Why? Do you feel sympathy for this perpetual (and Infamous) Ordo? (We've both been Shiriffs, yes, but a Shiriff is just an Ordo with an Ordo buddy.) Or . . . something else?

NIGHT 2's death has already been analysed adequately (to me, at least) by Cailín. Hmmm, DAY 1 voting patterns. Interesting how the Abercrombie bandwagon was formed in such a short amount of time. Sauce started the whole thing, but daga'y was the first to declare his wrath upon her. Problem is, so far I trust most of the members of the said bandwaggon. Problem with lynching innocents is that the lynch mob could be innocent themselves.

But what about the other, smaller, failed bandwaggons? Hmmm, must go French class now; I'm terribly late. Au revoir!

And don't worry, there's no sugar!

No, wait, I meant I'll be back later.

[Shelob]

But it is interesting how Glirdan put forward this theory at a time when Formendacil, Valier and Wayne each had one vote and only two other votes had been cast.

Um, not that I can see. The timing doesn't really play into it so far as I can tell. Glirdan would have made the comment when he thought of it, and it was probably the fact that, with so few votes, the votes for Form, Valier and Wayne formed a noticable triangle that made him think of it. That fact in itself is rather interesting, but when we'd so little to go on the more interesting aspect of it would be the timing and reasons for the votes. Even that couldn't tell us a whole lot even, but perhaps more than the timing of the comment would.

[Valier]

Originally Posted by SPM

There was some discussion yesterday concerning what we should do about those who arouse suspicion by their very nature, but who contribute little to our discussions. I think that it was spawn who suggested that we should have a policy on this. I agree. My own view is that we should not be voting for people just because they are behaving in the way that they always behave. And unless we really have nothing to go on, we should not be voting for people on the basis that they contribute little. The reason being that they are just as likely to be a Gifted as any of us. No one should be voting for anyone unless they have some kind of a valid reason for doing so, and that does not include acting in a way that makes you suspicious when that is the way they always act.

I totally disagree on your "Policy" some of us are not as anylitical as others and the only time votes are validated is if the person killed is a wolf. Other than that reasons for voting are just feelings one gets from reading others posts and from the position they are in. I thought in this game that everyone had picked fun occupations and it would be more laid back..I was wrong! The only reason any Ordo would vote for someone was because they thought they were a wolf, some times giving a reason why is no better than saying nothing.