The Hobbit Survivor

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Since William is obviously the intellectual
of the two remaining trolls, having the foresight
to plan for ah, foraging, by moving down from
the hills above the East Road.

And since there must be a limited supply of
sheep on the island, it's best to cut down on
the number of trolls, particularly since they
might get bored with eating mutton or if the
sheep supply ran short they'd
look for other kinds of snacks. While men and elf
survivors might be safe, dwarves (especially the dead
ones) and burrahobbits might be in danger of
sudden removal as contestants.




+ + Tom

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I've recounted and, alas, Saucey got it wrong. Dori is still with us, boringly enough.

Doh! Must have been all those changes of vote.

Still, good result yesterday when all is said and done.

As for Gloin:

Originally Posted by Anguirel

1. Endorsed theft, specifically burglary

The quoted statement doesn't imply anything of the kind. The Quest of Erebor itself, being as it required a burglar, admittedly does implicitly condone theft. But that implicates all of the remaining Dwarves.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

2. Discriminated against a co-worker on a height-related basis ("bobbing about on the doormat")

Since when was bobbing on doormats exclusively the preserve of the vertically-challenged? The words are merely descriptive of the state in which Gloin first encountered Bilbo.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

3. Implied discrimination on racial basis (that Bilbo is a Hobbit)

Not really. The statement is directed specifically towards Bilbo, not Hobbits in general.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

4. Displayed hauteur and contempt for honest trade off which Gloin and his penniless aristo leech friends feed, to wit grocery

Gloin was merely stating that Bilbo seemed more like a grocer than a burglar to him. A reasonable comment to make in the circumstances and not, in itself, insulting towards grocers.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

5. Mocked home comforts, to wit doormat

Eh? You are definately reading far too much into this.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

6. Showed hypocrisy ("I had my doubts"-why didn't he raise them earlier?)

He was showing courtesy and restraint. He was prepared to give Bilbo a chance to show his mettle as a burglar.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Later evidence also shows that his son Gimli-though thankfully intelligent and open-minded enough to change-was brought up to be a hardened Dwarf supremacist.

Hmm, you rather over-egg the case here. But, to the extent that there is truth in what you say, the same applies to most Dwarves and certainly to the majority of Thorin's company (Balin being the possible exception).

I hold no particular candle for Gloin, although I feel that he ought to be accorded due respect as Gimli's father. And his words to Frodo at Rivendell show that he has mellowed with age. In any event, there are a number of Dwarves that I would rather see go before Gloin.

As I mentioned before, Fili and Kili are both brave and noble Dwarves, but they are pretty much interchangeable so we can afford to lose one of them. Randomly, I shall choose:

++ KILI

[Anguirel]

What was the point in splitting the anti-Dwarf vote?

At this rate pro-Dwarfers will combine for an all Dwarf final.

In the end, Gloin is an inessential Dwarf and will have to be gone. It does not matter whether he goes sooner or later. What does matter is if the current trend continues, and, say, the Bullroarer is evicted instead.

The only possible good I can see coming out of this is a Gloin-Kili double eviction...

[Lalaith]

Oh wise Tuor! At last, a troll bandwaggon.

++TOM

[Kuruharan]

One of the most vitally important viewing groups is hopping mad!! The producers and advertisers are having fits of the vapors!!

I speak, of course, of the all-important "Paunchy, balding middle-aged husband" viewers. They are fit to be tied over the continuing presence of that manly-man, not-at-all-paunchy, aggressively hairy, and utterly single hunk...Beorn!! The wives can't get enough of him and the husbands have had all they can stand and they can't stand no more!!!

The producers have all curled up into tiny balls in the corner and are whimpering pathetically!! The advertisers have fainted so much that they've run the world out of smelling salts!!

We must ease their passing...uhh, suffering!!

++ Beorn

[Anguirel]

I think it's a blatant case of "OK, a Dwarf can go, but it has to be my Dwarf" by Saucey, but...

--GLOIN, ++KILI

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I think it's a blatant case of "OK, a Dwarf can go, but it has to be my Dwarf" by Saucey, but...

Well, yes, in a way. I would prefer to see Kili go today rather than Gloin. That's why I voted for Kili rather than Gloin. Isn't that kind of the point of the show?

I'm prepared to reconsider should another Dwarf emerge as favourite for today's eviction. But don't bank on me changing my vote, as I am unlikely to be on much, if at all, over the next few days.

As for Tom, well I have no major issue with him being voted off. He is the least interesting of the two remaining Trolls. But I do think it sensible to continue thinning out the Dwarves before focusing on the less well-represented races/creatures.

[Anguirel]

I just think your preferences are undermining the wider Dwarf-evicting cause! We could have swept off on a united Gloin bandwagon. Believe me, votes for Kili will be harder to achieve.