Númenórean Blood Runs Black Planning/Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Anguirel · 01-10-2006, 11:34 AM

Well, if Aman agrees, I think three NPC ships should be enough for you to whet your rams on...though naturally they'll conveniently decommission your NPC ships as they go down!

Then we'll have a straight Raca/Cuivie vs F & F chase, which will remove a world of confusion...

Folwren · 01-10-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Anguirel

Well, if Aman agrees, I think three NPC ships should be enough for you to whet your rams on...though naturally they'll conveniently decommission your NPC ships as they go down!

Then we'll have a straight Raca/Cuivie vs F & F chase, which will remove a world of confusion...

My dear old chap, if you think three of your NPC ships is going to help maim Gondor's entire fleet of NPC ships, you may find yourself sadly mistaken.

Till later, though. . .

-- Folwren

Firefoot · 01-10-2006, 03:49 PM

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Firefoot. . .Menelcar's thoughts are so insulting. I'm getting confused about my own character. . .whether he's really quite as bad as you're making him out to be. l)

Folwren - Please, please don't take any meaning out of Menelcar's thoughts - it's certainly no reflection of what I think of him (or your writing). Menelcar's rather prejudiced and extremely misguided - he's going to see wrong whatever way you go, unless something drastic happens. For example:

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Menelcar thought he detected some resentment. Yet Hereric never seemed to do anything about it, leading Menelcar to the conclusion that the man was weak-willed

If Hereric openly showed dislike and disrespect, Menelcar would have found him insulting, disrespectful, conflict-loving... Menelcar's certainly not the type of guy I'd want to hang around with. (In a way, he's almost worse than Grimkul and Ulwakh...

)

But he may come around. Maybe.

Can't wait for the battle, everyone!

Arry · 01-10-2006, 03:50 PM

Pardon the suggestion of a lowly slave boy -

There is about a 75 mile stretch of straight river from Pelargir northwards toward where the Gondorian fleet is coming from (Atlas of Middle-earth - Fonstad). Wouldn't the brilliant captain of the corsairs have lookouts on the highest masts?

And such a lookout could send out a retreat call - horns, drums, etc - saying the fleet is in sight.

That way the corsairs would have a head start.

By the way - how many ships are we looking at for the Gondorian Navy? and how many for the Corsairs?

Firefoot · 01-10-2006, 03:55 PM

It sounds like the Corsairs have 4-5 ships. I'm not sure about the Gondorians, but I've been picturing it as somewhere in the 7-9 range.

Folwren · 01-10-2006, 04:08 PM

Arry, I've no idea how soon, exactly, the Gondorain ships will be spotted, but you are entirely correct to think that we will be seen long before we are close enough to start attacking. However, there is no way that the Corsairs will be able to get into battle array on their own ships to get a terribly great start. beyond that, they'll also have to take time leaving the bay that they're in, and heading down river. The Gondorian ships will already be well on their way and won't need extra time speeding up.

To you and Firefoot both. . . and everyone, I guess: If the ships behind the Cuivie is indeed the entire Gondorian fleet, I should imagine that there are at least ten ships, if not more. . . at least. I'm not willing to give an exact number, because there might be others here who know more about the history of Gondor's fleet in that time. I've gotten the impression that it's fairly large. I don't know how to compare it to this world's number of ships, though, and even if I did, I can only draw information on the Brittish Navy during the Napoleanic Wars, at which time, it was the greatest fleet in the world. Gondor, as I understand, would, at his time, have the greatest navy, too. . .but I still don't know how many ships that would make.

Firefoot: Have no fears! I'm not taking Menelcar's thoughts too much too heart, nor too seriously, and I'm not offended, if that's what's worrying you. But you'd better mind that he doesn't voice those thoughts to the Captian himself. . .there might be some problems then.

Anyway, I hope that answers everythign sufficiently. If anyone has any other doubts or questions, I'll do my best to answer. (At least any questions that have to do with my ship or the other Gondorian ships.

)

-- Folwren

Firefoot · 01-10-2006, 06:26 PM

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If the ships behind the Cuivie is indeed the entire Gondorian fleet, I should imagine that there are at least ten ships, if not more. . . at least.

That makes sense. To go back to the source:

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But Telumehtar . . . gathered his forces and in 1810 took Umbar by storm.

That does sound like a lot of ships, now that I think about it. I too am now hesitant about a number - but "a lot" sounds like a good summary.

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But you'd better mind that he doesn't voice those thoughts to the Captian himself. . .there might be some problems then.

Oh don't worry... I'm sure he will eventually.

Anguirel · 01-11-2006, 06:48 AM

I've filled in the chess SAVE.

Aman, shall I post the sighting of the Gondorian fleet, or would you rather?

01-10-2006, 11:34 AM	#1
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Well, if Aman agrees, I think three NPC ships should be enough for you to whet your rams on...though naturally they'll conveniently decommission your NPC ships as they go down! Then we'll have a straight Raca/Cuivie vs F & F chase, which will remove a world of confusion... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

01-10-2006, 03:50 PM	#4
Arry Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 704	Pardon the suggestion of a lowly slave boy - There is about a 75 mile stretch of straight river from Pelargir northwards toward where the Gondorian fleet is coming from (Atlas of Middle-earth - Fonstad). Wouldn't the brilliant captain of the corsairs have lookouts on the highest masts? And such a lookout could send out a retreat call - horns, drums, etc - saying the fleet is in sight. That way the corsairs would have a head start. By the way - how many ships are we looking at for the Gondorian Navy? and how many for the Corsairs? __________________ If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world – J.R.R. Tolkien

01-10-2006, 04:08 PM	#6
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Arry, I've no idea how soon, exactly, the Gondorain ships will be spotted, but you are entirely correct to think that we will be seen long before we are close enough to start attacking. However, there is no way that the Corsairs will be able to get into battle array on their own ships to get a terribly great start. beyond that, they'll also have to take time leaving the bay that they're in, and heading down river. The Gondorian ships will already be well on their way and won't need extra time speeding up. To you and Firefoot both. . . and everyone, I guess: If the ships behind the Cuivie is indeed the entire Gondorian fleet, I should imagine that there are at least ten ships, if not more. . . at least. I'm not willing to give an exact number, because there might be others here who know more about the history of Gondor's fleet in that time. I've gotten the impression that it's fairly large. I don't know how to compare it to this world's number of ships, though, and even if I did, I can only draw information on the Brittish Navy during the Napoleanic Wars, at which time, it was the greatest fleet in the world. Gondor, as I understand, would, at his time, have the greatest navy, too. . .but I still don't know how many ships that would make. Firefoot: Have no fears! I'm not taking Menelcar's thoughts too much too heart, nor too seriously, and I'm not offended, if that's what's worrying you. But you'd better mind that he doesn't voice those thoughts to the Captian himself. . .there might be some problems then. Anyway, I hope that answers everythign sufficiently. If anyone has any other doubts or questions, I'll do my best to answer. (At least any questions that have to do with my ship or the other Gondorian ships. ) -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

01-11-2006, 06:48 AM	#8
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I've filled in the chess SAVE. Aman, shall I post the sighting of the Gondorian fleet, or would you rather? __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

01-10-2006, 03:55 PM	#5
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	It sounds like the Corsairs have 4-5 ships. I'm not sure about the Gondorians, but I've been picturing it as somewhere in the 7-9 range.