The Hobbit Survivor - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Anguirel · 01-09-2006, 12:28 PM

Not in my view, no more than Thingol, or Eol, or Maeglin do. One of the major parts of my interest in Elves is the morally ambiguous, unpredictable, Faerie side. I like Elves who are more dangerous and less wise...

Eonwe · 01-09-2006, 03:42 PM

Morally ambiguous? That is a very debateable phrase, although debateable somewhere other than a Tolkien forum. well maybe not, but somewhere other than a 'middle-earth reality show' thread, anyway. there is another debateable phrase, while im at it.

either way, elves are clearly there to represent the good in life, anything noble or righteous. clearly, any elf who does not stive to meet these expectations is not fulfilling whatever it is he should be. and i say those who do not, do not deserve even to be in the running for first place prize.

tell you waht, lalaith, im all for evicting the elvenking. though i have a bone to pick with elrond at teh same time. as it stands now, elrond is in the lead though. and that is all that stands in the way of me voting elvenking...

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Originally Posted by morm

Support?!?! I won't know how to handle that

That's what I said.

Meneltarmacil · 01-09-2006, 03:48 PM

No more dead guys!

++Girion

definitely has to get back in his grave. He's really starting to smell.

Lalaith · 01-09-2006, 03:52 PM

I agree that the elves of the Last Homely House are a bit odd: like 1930s Bright Young Things with their "too, too delicious my dear".
But I can't see how that is Elrond's fault. He seems to talk and think like a sensible person/elf. I'd like him to stay.
Eonwe, if you back off Elrond now we can unite tomorrow to boot off Thranduil. Deal?
(Ang, yes moral ambiguity is fine if it's got a bit of dash and glamour to it but Elvenking is just a miserable git)

Eonwe · 01-09-2006, 03:57 PM

Well i don't know. I'd like them both gone, and as it stands now, my vote with elrond is doing the most to get either one off...i think ill pass for now, though tomarrow is a new day!

Anguirel · 01-09-2006, 04:02 PM

Aragorn Fenwick-Symes is desperate to marry the lovely Arwina, daughter of the eccentric Herald, Colonel Elrond.

Aragorn and Arwina move in a fast set including Legolas Malpractice, and the eccentric, doomed Miss Galadriel Runcible. Through the vicissitudes of fortune and the increasing threat of war, they dance nights away in frenzied parties beneath the trees of Mirkwood, given by the raffish King Thranduil Metroland...

Er, that kind of thing.

Lalaith · 01-09-2006, 04:42 PM

Exactly that kind of thing.

mormegil · 01-09-2006, 07:30 PM

But really what does Elrond provide? He's not humorous. He councils what should and should not be done yet doesn't offer himself to do it. He's not tragic, so there's no sympathy support there. Neither is he charismatic. So what does that leave us? The only other option for an interesting contestant is the unscrupulous individuals who flaunt public nudity on TV and that is not Elrond either. The only thing good to come from Elrond is his sons.

Oh and let's not forget that he's a coward and a liar.. While elves are being slaughtered he retreats to find safe haven for himself and altered the histories to reflect him in a good light.

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 01-10-2006, 03:39 AM

You know, it took me two and a half Middle-earth Survivor seasons to get what's so fascinating in these threads that they go on for pages, but actually, this looks pretty fun. What's next, are you perhaps planning to have an All-Stars Survivor - or a BDer Survivor (Eru forbid)?

But now I'm digressing. This post is dedicated to making a case against Beorn. He possesses many qualities that make him an unpleasant tribe member and although I'm but a novice to ME Survivor, I'd strongly recommend considering getting rid of him because:

1) He is rude. A reliable and comprehensive poll of two people clearly shows that Beorn is a nasty character with hardly any manners at all.

"He [Beorn] can be appaling when he is angry."
"He gets angry easily."

- Mr. Gandalf the Grey, wizard

"[Beorn] was never very polite."

- Mr. J.R.R. Tolkien, professor

2) He is lazy. "He doesn't hunt or eat wild animals." Well, even if he is a vegetarian, there are a lot of other people who would eat meat willingly. It's not an excuse to shirk your tribe's common duties ie. helping to get enough food to everybody. Neither is it an excuse to get all the cream and honey of the tribe.

Beorn also has a tendency to make all kinds of animals serve him and do his share of work. This bloke has some serious attitude problems!

3) He is possessive. If Beorn borrows someone something (which doesn't happen often), he incessantly keeps an eye on them and circles around watching that anything won't happen to his belongings.

You are voting for Girion because he's too boring (it's quite a good reason, though), but I'm voting for Beorn because he's impossible.

++ Beorn

01-09-2006, 12:28 PM	#1
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Not in my view, no more than Thingol, or Eol, or Maeglin do. One of the major parts of my interest in Elves is the morally ambiguous, unpredictable, Faerie side. I like Elves who are more dangerous and less wise... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

01-09-2006, 03:48 PM	#3
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	No more dead guys! ++Girion definitely has to get back in his grave. He's really starting to smell. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

01-09-2006, 03:52 PM	#4
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	I agree that the elves of the Last Homely House are a bit odd: like 1930s Bright Young Things with their "too, too delicious my dear". But I can't see how that is Elrond's fault. He seems to talk and think like a sensible person/elf. I'd like him to stay. Eonwe, if you back off Elrond now we can unite tomorrow to boot off Thranduil. Deal? (Ang, yes moral ambiguity is fine if it's got a bit of dash and glamour to it but Elvenking is just a miserable git) __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-09-2006, 03:57 PM	#5
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	Well i don't know. I'd like them both gone, and as it stands now, my vote with elrond is doing the most to get either one off...i think ill pass for now, though tomarrow is a new day! __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!

01-09-2006, 04:02 PM	#6
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Vile Bodies, by Elven Waugh Aragorn Fenwick-Symes is desperate to marry the lovely Arwina, daughter of the eccentric Herald, Colonel Elrond. Aragorn and Arwina move in a fast set including Legolas Malpractice, and the eccentric, doomed Miss Galadriel Runcible. Through the vicissitudes of fortune and the increasing threat of war, they dance nights away in frenzied parties beneath the trees of Mirkwood, given by the raffish King Thranduil Metroland... Er, that kind of thing. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

01-09-2006, 04:42 PM	#7
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Exactly that kind of thing. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-09-2006, 07:30 PM	#8
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	But really what does Elrond provide? He's not humorous. He councils what should and should not be done yet doesn't offer himself to do it. He's not tragic, so there's no sympathy support there. Neither is he charismatic. So what does that leave us? The only other option for an interesting contestant is the unscrupulous individuals who flaunt public nudity on TV and that is not Elrond either. The only thing good to come from Elrond is his sons. Oh and let's not forget that he's a coward and a liar.. While elves are being slaughtered he retreats to find safe haven for himself and altered the histories to reflect him in a good light. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

01-10-2006, 03:39 AM	#9
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	You know, it took me two and a half Middle-earth Survivor seasons to get what's so fascinating in these threads that they go on for pages, but actually, this looks pretty fun. What's next, are you perhaps planning to have an All-Stars Survivor - or a BDer Survivor (Eru forbid)? But now I'm digressing. This post is dedicated to making a case against Beorn. He possesses many qualities that make him an unpleasant tribe member and although I'm but a novice to ME Survivor, I'd strongly recommend considering getting rid of him because: 1) He is rude. A reliable and comprehensive poll of two people clearly shows that Beorn is a nasty character with hardly any manners at all. "He [Beorn] can be appaling when he is angry." "He gets angry easily." - Mr. Gandalf the Grey, wizard "[Beorn] was never very polite." - Mr. J.R.R. Tolkien, professor 2) He is lazy. "He doesn't hunt or eat wild animals." Well, even if he is a vegetarian, there are a lot of other people who would eat meat willingly. It's not an excuse to shirk your tribe's common duties ie. helping to get enough food to everybody. Neither is it an excuse to get all the cream and honey of the tribe. Beorn also has a tendency to make all kinds of animals serve him and do his share of work. This bloke has some serious attitude problems! 3) He is possessive. If Beorn borrows someone something (which doesn't happen often), he incessantly keeps an eye on them and circles around watching that anything won't happen to his belongings. You are voting for Girion because he's too boring (it's quite a good reason, though), but I'm voting for Beorn because he's impossible. ++ Beorn __________________ Fenris Wolf