Middle Earth "afterlife" - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thinlómien · 01-01-2006, 01:30 PM

Actually about dwarf afterlife it is said (where, I don't remember) that they themselves believe that after their deaths they will go to Aulë and at the end they will be treated as the Children. WARNING: Don't consider this a fact, because I'm not sure, especially about the later part.

Legolas · 01-01-2006, 02:05 PM

You're right. They believed they had their own section in Mandos, and after the final battle and destruction of Arda, they would help Aule rebuild the world.

The 1,000 Reader · 01-01-2006, 06:17 PM

Someone mentioned earlier that orcs were like animals. Well, seeing as how animals don't exist after death, is it possible that orcs don't exist after death? They are too far gone to return to elves, so is it possible that Eru just got rid of them completely?

Lindolirian · 01-01-2006, 09:20 PM

I think Heren-Istarion can help you with your questions about Orcs.

Farael · 01-01-2006, 11:51 PM

I'm with Nilpaurion Felagund .... I would believe that 'hell' in middle earth is a situation in which a spirit is trapped irreversibly somewhere it does not belong.

Melkor we see had grown more attached to Middle Earth as he had spent so much of his power in controlling living things and having a physical shape and so his 'hell' was to be cast out in the void, as his soul was linked to ME.

Saruman went into Middle Earth after being a Maiar in Valinor. His stay in ME was only temporal but his spirit -belonged- to Valinor.... and thus he was rejected.

So what was Sauron's punishment? he is still confined in Middle Earth, but I would not expect him to want to go to Valinor.... perhaps he would have liked going to the void, to return to Melkor's side? As far as I know (and I reckon I don't know as much as others in here, feel free to correct me) Sauron was continuing Melkor's work.... and maybe he wanted to go back to his Master's side.

Does anyone know a little more about the Melkor-Sauron relationship? specially, if Sauron ever wanted to take Melkor's place before The War of Wrath... if I'm not mistaken, Sauron was Melkor's second in command and he (sauron) was not trying to back-stab his Master.

Conversely, perhaps, heaven is to be somewhere they do belong... and no, Mando's rooms would not be heaven. If I'm not mistaken (and I might be) the soul of the elves who have been really good in life can be re-bodied.... and we know that the elves 'belong' in Arda so perhaps being given a new body is heaven for an elf?

For men we do not know as their souls just leave the picture and it is not told where they go... nor I know about Dwarves.

But I think Nilpaurion Felagund is on to something.

01-01-2006, 01:30 PM	#1
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Actually about dwarf afterlife it is said (where, I don't remember) that they themselves believe that after their deaths they will go to Aulë and at the end they will be treated as the Children. WARNING: Don't consider this a fact, because I'm not sure, especially about the later part. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

01-01-2006, 02:05 PM	#2
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	You're right. They believed they had their own section in Mandos, and after the final battle and destruction of Arda, they would help Aule rebuild the world. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

01-01-2006, 06:17 PM	#3
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	Someone mentioned earlier that orcs were like animals. Well, seeing as how animals don't exist after death, is it possible that orcs don't exist after death? They are too far gone to return to elves, so is it possible that Eru just got rid of them completely? __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains

01-01-2006, 09:20 PM	#4
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	I think Heren-Istarion can help you with your questions about Orcs. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

01-01-2006, 11:51 PM	#5
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	I'm with Nilpaurion Felagund .... I would believe that 'hell' in middle earth is a situation in which a spirit is trapped irreversibly somewhere it does not belong. Melkor we see had grown more attached to Middle Earth as he had spent so much of his power in controlling living things and having a physical shape and so his 'hell' was to be cast out in the void, as his soul was linked to ME. Saruman went into Middle Earth after being a Maiar in Valinor. His stay in ME was only temporal but his spirit -belonged- to Valinor.... and thus he was rejected. So what was Sauron's punishment? he is still confined in Middle Earth, but I would not expect him to want to go to Valinor.... perhaps he would have liked going to the void, to return to Melkor's side? As far as I know (and I reckon I don't know as much as others in here, feel free to correct me) Sauron was continuing Melkor's work.... and maybe he wanted to go back to his Master's side. Does anyone know a little more about the Melkor-Sauron relationship? specially, if Sauron ever wanted to take Melkor's place before The War of Wrath... if I'm not mistaken, Sauron was Melkor's second in command and he (sauron) was not trying to back-stab his Master. Conversely, perhaps, heaven is to be somewhere they do belong... and no, Mando's rooms would not be heaven. If I'm not mistaken (and I might be) the soul of the elves who have been really good in life can be re-bodied.... and we know that the elves 'belong' in Arda so perhaps being given a new body is heaven for an elf? For men we do not know as their souls just leave the picture and it is not told where they go... nor I know about Dwarves. But I think Nilpaurion Felagund is on to something.