Tol-in-Gaurhoth XV-The Villagers Strike Back! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

mormegil · 12-23-2005, 05:38 PM

I would say, if we are to choose from the second list, that Boromir goes first.

Kath seems a bit petulant to be a runt but perhaps that would be more of a spite vote.

Gurthang · 12-23-2005, 05:51 PM

I guess I'm okay with a double devouring. I've already picked who I think the heroes are, so that is who I'd support doing a double to: Wayne and Eomer.

Simply awaiting orders on who to vote for.

Gurthang · 12-23-2005, 05:57 PM

Farael, I'm not for voting for Wayne just for a lack of writing. I would even say I'm against that (voting just cause he's quiet and sometimes annoying). The reason for my suspicion of him has nothing to do with his lack of speaking; it is because I believe I have found a slip-up in the words he has said. Specifically, the post I quoted where he clears Menel for an extremely flimsy reason that would make a lot more sense coming from a hero.

Boromir88 · 12-23-2005, 06:00 PM

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I would say, if we are to choose from the second list, that Boromir goes first.~Mormegil

That's your choice, but in your end you will have to hold yourself accountable and answer yourself to Lord Melkor for killing one of his faithful servants and worshippers.

Farael · 12-23-2005, 06:04 PM

And actually, I suspect him in the (very loose) grounds of him being able to get away with anything.

He did say "everyone can be a hero" and perhaps he was playing with fire on that one.

He has not pulled his act together at all, I might be wrong but either he's not reading or he's playing fool. Why would an innocent play fool? and why would you sign up for this game if you are not willing to read? I don't know, it might be the 'annoyment' talking, but all the tidbits of evidence against him, plus the argument that "Wayne is Wayne" is probably the best clue we have so far.

Boromir88 · 12-23-2005, 06:11 PM

This may make me look more like a hero, but who cares...I won't mind a double lynching, we have what is it 7 unknowns? And some of which, seem pretty innocent (Oddwen and Kath), plus excluding myself leads it down to 4 people to pick from. A double lynch will improve our chances greatly.

I will go along with Gurthang and say Eomer and Wayne as our two candidates up for a doubledouble devour. Though, I don't care if I'm a candidate, I don't see a reason why to vote for me. I thought besides my Nonna nonsense (haha) I have seemed pretty reasonable. Though, if I am the other devouree, all I can tell you is you will be reducing your chances of catching a hero, for I am not one, but everyone has a decision to make and in our decisions we must hold ourselves responsible.

Kath · 12-23-2005, 06:20 PM

I want to just take a quick look at Lhuna. I suddenly realised that I've been putting her in the presumed innocent category when I suspected her earlier. All these lists

Lhuna:
Night 1 - suspected Glirdan and immediately wanted to kill Wayne. Then goes straight back against what she said of Glirdan (now saying he's not a Hero) and still wants to kill Wayne, before finally voting for him. Definitely some odd backtracking there.
Night 2 - Rams the fact she thought Glirdan an innocent at us. Suspects no one, giving reasons for possibly suspecting morm and Mith (now known innocents) but won't make an opinion one way or the other. Decides the Heroes would likely be hiding in the Glirdan votes. Makes a list of those who voted for Glirdan - and all except two are now considered innocents (Wayne and Oddwen). Still wants to kill Wayne but votes for Oddwen. So she rags at Wayne all day but never actually votes for him - possibly attacking to distance herself but not really putting him in danger on this Night when he might actually accumulate some votes, unlike the Night before.
Night 3 - Tries to distance herself from Rune and suspects Gurthang for his comments about Menel. Picks apart Rune's posts but says she has found nothing there to go on. Decides Farael is innocent. Votes Gurthang - with very little reasoning that I can see. Mentions that Wayne seemed the most suspicious based on some of Rune's comments, but then seems to leave off him entirely, so not consistent at all.

Also, she is barely mentioned, a great thing for a wolf trying to fly under the radar. She was put about in the middle of Wayne's little suspect list, and Rune (our only known Hero) mentioned that he did not trust her but did not suspect her either. Though spawn also seems to support her.

Looking at that I wouldn't be half surprised if Lhuna were a Hero if Wayne actually is one. But I still don't like this double lynching idea - at least not toNight. We should first find out if Wayne is a Hero.

And please, would someone show me what it is Eomer has done to warrant the suspicion against him?

mormegil · 12-23-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kath

But I still don't like this double lynching idea - at least not toNight. We should first find out if Wayne is a Hero.

Please explain why? I have explained the reasons for it but I would like to know why you are so against it. It seems to me that the only people against it should be a Hero. This is the kind of activity that makes me think that you are perhaps guilty. It matters not if some of us die to save the island, the point is to eliminate these heros and gain victory, which can best be achieved by double killings. Plus it will provide extra meat.

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Originally Posted by Farael

and why would you sign up for this game if you are not willing to read?

I ask myself that everytime I play with him

Farael · 12-23-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mormegil

I ask myself that everytime I play with him

Does he actually not read every game? I'm basing my suspicions in that he at least READS. Maybe he doesn't talk but he reads and so makes choices, disguising his colours under his.... how to say it? Wayneness??

Kath · 12-23-2005, 07:44 PM

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It matters not if some of us die to save the island, the point is to eliminate these heros and gain victory, which can best be achieved by double killings.

How? I'm sorry if you've explained it before but if you did then I didn't understand.

Look I'm not against them altogether, I just feel that we should at least find out first whether Wayne is a Hero because everyone is assuming that he is and basing their attacks on others by the way they have been regarding him (as well as other stuff) when there is no point in doing so because we don't yet know if he is guilty!

Gurthang · 12-23-2005, 08:32 PM

I'm with morm in this. Kath, why don't you like double killings? True, it may not be the essence of the game and it is likely that we will get two innocents, but looking at it in a broader perspective, we can afford that risk and still win fairly easily.

And I still think that if we do away with Wayne we will be rid of one hero. So if we lose an innocent, it will be just like normal, except the heroes have taken a major shot. And we just might get lucky and kill both heroes toNight. That would be spectacular.

mormegil · 12-23-2005, 08:35 PM

We have 5 known innocents today and will have 5 tomorrow. We need to eliminate the unknown quicker than they eliminate the known. We have the advantage of being able to kill 2 the Heroes can only kill 1. We therefore can eliminate the unknown element quicker than they can the known. With such great luck that we had they eliminated Huan for us so the only people that can interfer with this plan is the Heroes and that will expose them and I truly am beginning to think that you are one of them.

I suggest that we vote Kath and Wayne.

If not Kath then Eomer of Boromir will be fine.

Boromir88 · 12-23-2005, 08:39 PM

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I'm with morm in this. Kath, why don't you like double killings? True, it may not be the essence of the game and it is likely that we will get two innocents, but looking at it in a broader perspective, we can afford that risk and still win fairly easily.

Not to mention hopefully Mithalwen can still protect Formendacil during the day, giving us one more chance with our Seer.

Oddwen · 12-23-2005, 08:48 PM

I fear that eating that scavenger has made me quite ill...

So much has happened...head spinning...

All hail Sauron, Lord of the Earth, etc.-

A rather radical idea to propose - you'll probably all hate me but...

Since we're talking about a double lynch, if we lynch Farael and (say) Wayne, providing Farael is the hunter he could take one more possible hero down...it's not likely he'll be chosen by the heroes the next DAY, it would cut the odds for the next NIGHT...

Oww...I might have to vote in an hour. Ow. Ow. Ow.

mormegil · 12-23-2005, 11:05 PM

Innocents
Formendacil
morm
Mithalwen
Farael
Gurthang

Unknowns
Kath
Eomer
spawn
Wayne
Oddwen
Lhuna
Boromir

One unknown and one innocent have voted.

Wayne 1
Farael 1

What needs to be done, and quickly, is decide who the other candidate is besides Wayne and establish the plan. Out of the unknowns I would be in favor of leaving Oddwen and eliminating any other. That leaves

Kath
Eomer
Spawn
Lhuna
Boromir

Kath made a good case against Lhuna. Eomer is oddly silent. Boromir is vocal and willing to die but somewhat threatens us that it will be on our hands. Spawn hasn't been seen too much. Kath has been rather vocal today and seemingly heroish with her attempt to prevent the double killings.

Out of these I'm thinking the Heroes would be silent today so even though killing Kath and feasting on her carcass would bring me great delight I think the little runt may be innocent but misguided. Now that leaves Eomer and Spawn (as well as Lhuna but I'll give her time) each can be crafty. So if Formendacil has no objection I would think Eomer or Spawn should go today as well as Wayne. I will be willing to be here near the deadline, unless unforseen problems arise, to ensure the success of our double kill.

I would put us in the following camps

Wayne vote
Mithalwen
Spawn or Eomer
Lhuna
Kath

Spawn or Eomer vote
Farael
Boromir
Spawn or Eomer
Oddwen

It would be nice to have Gurthang, Formendacil and me hang around unil the last hour to clean things up as needed. Let me know if that works.

Lhunardawen · 12-24-2005, 05:30 AM

Well, thanks Kath. I was actually feeling a little weird without anyone suspecting me.

So I see I really have been a bit inconsistent about Wayne. Believe me, I really want him devoured just to spare us all the confusion he's causing, but somehow I'm still hoping he'll speak up a bit more.

In any case, I would want him to be one of our devourees toNight because I think I finally had enough of him.

As for Glirdan, I did NOT suspect him the way I think you meant. I was actually trying to tell you all that for me, he doesn't seem to be heroic. I can't see any backtracking that I did that Night, because I was fully consistent (or at least as much as I can possibly be without any certainty) with my opinion that Glirdan is NOT a hero.

I'm a werewolf, I tell you. I wouldn't ask the now-revealed Lord Saurondacil to dream of me, as I think that would be a waste of a dream. But if he would, then by all means. I have nothing to hide. And I mean nothing.

12-23-2005, 05:38 PM	#1
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	I would say, if we are to choose from the second list, that Boromir goes first. Kath seems a bit petulant to be a runt but perhaps that would be more of a spite vote. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

12-23-2005, 05:51 PM	#2
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	I guess I'm okay with a double devouring. I've already picked who I think the heroes are, so that is who I'd support doing a double to: Wayne and Eomer. Simply awaiting orders on who to vote for. __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

12-23-2005, 05:57 PM	#3
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	Farael, I'm not for voting for Wayne just for a lack of writing. I would even say I'm against that (voting just cause he's quiet and sometimes annoying). The reason for my suspicion of him has nothing to do with his lack of speaking; it is because I believe I have found a slip-up in the words he has said. Specifically, the post I quoted where he clears Menel for an extremely flimsy reason that would make a lot more sense coming from a hero. __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

12-23-2005, 06:11 PM	#6
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	This may make me look more like a hero, but who cares...I won't mind a double lynching, we have what is it 7 unknowns? And some of which, seem pretty innocent (Oddwen and Kath), plus excluding myself leads it down to 4 people to pick from. A double lynch will improve our chances greatly. I will go along with Gurthang and say Eomer and Wayne as our two candidates up for a doubledouble devour. Though, I don't care if I'm a candidate, I don't see a reason why to vote for me. I thought besides my Nonna nonsense (haha) I have seemed pretty reasonable. Though, if I am the other devouree, all I can tell you is you will be reducing your chances of catching a hero, for I am not one, but everyone has a decision to make and in our decisions we must hold ourselves responsible. __________________ Fenris Penguin Last edited by Boromir88; 12-23-2005 at 06:12 PM. Reason: bolding names

12-23-2005, 06:20 PM	#7
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	I want to just take a quick look at Lhuna. I suddenly realised that I've been putting her in the presumed innocent category when I suspected her earlier. All these lists Lhuna: Night 1 - suspected Glirdan and immediately wanted to kill Wayne. Then goes straight back against what she said of Glirdan (now saying he's not a Hero) and still wants to kill Wayne, before finally voting for him. Definitely some odd backtracking there. Night 2 - Rams the fact she thought Glirdan an innocent at us. Suspects no one, giving reasons for possibly suspecting morm and Mith (now known innocents) but won't make an opinion one way or the other. Decides the Heroes would likely be hiding in the Glirdan votes. Makes a list of those who voted for Glirdan - and all except two are now considered innocents (Wayne and Oddwen). Still wants to kill Wayne but votes for Oddwen. So she rags at Wayne all day but never actually votes for him - possibly attacking to distance herself but not really putting him in danger on this Night when he might actually accumulate some votes, unlike the Night before. Night 3 - Tries to distance herself from Rune and suspects Gurthang for his comments about Menel. Picks apart Rune's posts but says she has found nothing there to go on. Decides Farael is innocent. Votes Gurthang - with very little reasoning that I can see. Mentions that Wayne* seemed the most suspicious based on some of Rune's comments, but then seems to leave off him entirely, so not consistent at all.* Also, she is barely mentioned, a great thing for a wolf trying to fly under the radar. She was put about in the middle of Wayne's little suspect list, and Rune (our only known Hero) mentioned that he did not trust her but did not suspect her either. Though spawn also seems to support her. Looking at that I wouldn't be half surprised if Lhuna were a Hero if Wayne actually is one. But I still don't like this double lynching idea - at least not toNight. We should first find out if Wayne is a Hero. And please, would someone show me what it is Eomer has done to warrant the suspicion against him? __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

12-23-2005, 06:04 PM	#5
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	And actually, I suspect him in the (very loose) grounds of him being able to get away with anything. He did say "everyone can be a hero" and perhaps he was playing with fire on that one. He has not pulled his act together at all, I might be wrong but either he's not reading or he's playing fool. Why would an innocent play fool? and why would you sign up for this game if you are not willing to read? I don't know, it might be the 'annoyment' talking, but all the tidbits of evidence against him, plus the argument that "Wayne is Wayne" is probably the best clue we have so far.

12-23-2005, 08:32 PM	#11
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	I'm with morm in this. Kath, why don't you like double killings? True, it may not be the essence of the game and it is likely that we will get two innocents, but looking at it in a broader perspective, we can afford that risk and still win fairly easily. And I still think that if we do away with Wayne we will be rid of one hero. So if we lose an innocent, it will be just like normal, except the heroes have taken a major shot. And we just might get lucky and kill both heroes toNight. That would be spectacular. __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

12-23-2005, 08:35 PM	#12
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	We have 5 known innocents today and will have 5 tomorrow. We need to eliminate the unknown quicker than they eliminate the known. We have the advantage of being able to kill 2 the Heroes can only kill 1. We therefore can eliminate the unknown element quicker than they can the known. With such great luck that we had they eliminated Huan for us so the only people that can interfer with this plan is the Heroes and that will expose them and I truly am beginning to think that you are one of them. I suggest that we vote Kath and Wayne. If not Kath then Eomer of Boromir will be fine. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

12-23-2005, 08:48 PM	#14
Oddwen Drummer in the Deep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Next Sunday A.D. Posts: 2,145	Ow, my aching head... I fear that eating that scavenger has made me quite ill... So much has happened...head spinning... All hail Sauron, Lord of the Earth, etc.- A rather radical idea to propose - you'll probably all hate me but... Since we're talking about a double lynch, if we lynch Farael and (say) Wayne, providing Farael is the hunter he could take one more possible hero down...it's not likely he'll be chosen by the heroes the next DAY, it would cut the odds for the next NIGHT... Oww...I might have to vote in an hour. Ow. Ow. Ow. __________________ But all the while I sit and think of times there were before I listen for returning feet and voices at the door

12-23-2005, 11:05 PM	#15
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Innocents Formendacil morm Mithalwen Farael Gurthang Unknowns Kath Eomer spawn Wayne Oddwen Lhuna Boromir One unknown and one innocent have voted. Wayne 1 Farael 1 What needs to be done, and quickly, is decide who the other candidate is besides Wayne and establish the plan. Out of the unknowns I would be in favor of leaving Oddwen and eliminating any other. That leaves Kath Eomer Spawn Lhuna Boromir Kath made a good case against Lhuna. Eomer is oddly silent. Boromir is vocal and willing to die but somewhat threatens us that it will be on our hands. Spawn hasn't been seen too much. Kath has been rather vocal today and seemingly heroish with her attempt to prevent the double killings. Out of these I'm thinking the Heroes would be silent today so even though killing Kath and feasting on her carcass would bring me great delight I think the little runt may be innocent but misguided. Now that leaves Eomer and Spawn (as well as Lhuna but I'll give her time) each can be crafty. So if Formendacil has no objection I would think Eomer or Spawn should go today as well as Wayne. I will be willing to be here near the deadline, unless unforseen problems arise, to ensure the success of our double kill. I would put us in the following camps Wayne vote Mithalwen Spawn or Eomer Lhuna Kath Spawn or Eomer vote Farael Boromir Spawn or Eomer Oddwen It would be nice to have Gurthang, Formendacil and me hang around unil the last hour to clean things up as needed. Let me know if that works. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

12-24-2005, 05:30 AM	#16
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	Well, thanks Kath. I was actually feeling a little weird without anyone suspecting me. So I see I really have been a bit inconsistent about Wayne. Believe me, I really want him devoured just to spare us all the confusion he's causing, but somehow I'm still hoping he'll speak up a bit more. In any case, I would want him to be one of our devourees toNight because I think I finally had enough of him. As for Glirdan, I did NOT suspect him the way I think you meant. I was actually trying to tell you all that for me, he doesn't seem to be heroic. I can't see any backtracking that I did that Night, because I was fully consistent (or at least as much as I can possibly be without any certainty) with my opinion that Glirdan is NOT a hero. I'm a werewolf, I tell you. I wouldn't ask the now-revealed Lord Saurondacil to dream of me, as I think that would be a waste of a dream. But if he would, then by all means. I have nothing to hide. And I mean nothing.