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Elladan and Elrohir · 12-20-2005, 11:17 AM

Yeah, you know, alatar, when I look back on it, I do sympathize with Boromir. Especially because the scene in TTT EE gives the distinct impression that he doesn't want the Ring, that his father's forcing him to go. I guess "secret agent" isn't the best phrase for it. You can't look into his face at the Council and say, "Yep, this guy's just trying to get the Ring so he can take it back to Daddy."

I'm not sure about him being more heroic than Aragorn at this point, though. I mean, it's not like Aragorn's some naive little boy who doesn't know what it's going to take to get to Mount Doom. The dude was walking in the shadows of Ephel Duath before Boromir was born. In fact, I would almost say that movie 'Gorn is nobler than book 'Gorn in this scene, because book 'Gorn is on his way to Minas Tirith, while as far as movie 'Gorn knows, he's going to Mount Doom.

Lathriel · 12-20-2005, 06:36 PM

My opinion of Boromir never dampened after TTT EE because you could clearly see his reluctance in going to Rivendell. I actually began liking Boromir more as a character in the movie then I had when I read the book. In his speech about Gondor you can see he really cares about his country.
I actually haven't seen the whole first matrix movie but it was enough to see Elrond as "Agent Elrond"

Essex · 12-21-2005, 03:29 AM

I'm not sure why everyone keeps mentioning Elrond as the guy from the Matrix. Yes, I've seen the movies, but that's what happens to movie stars. they make other films!

I don't see Christopher Lee as Dracula, Ian McKellen as Richard III, Elijah Woods as the kid from Impact, Sean Bean as Sharpe, nor Ian Holm as Frodo!!!

mormegil · 12-21-2005, 08:08 AM

Conversely Essex, I see Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn in any other movie I see him in. What happens is you see somebody play a role and for whatever reason they get stuck in you head as that character and not an actor. That is what has happened here, I believe.

Essex · 12-21-2005, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mormegil

Conversely Essex, I see Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn in any other movie I see him in. What happens is you see somebody play a role and for whatever reason they get stuck in you head as that character and not an actor. That is what has happened here, I believe.

I understand this, but why only Elrond? I haven't seen another character mentioned in this way before (until you mentioned Viggo conversly.....)

Anyway onto my thoughts on this sequence.

The one thing that stands out for me is how Boromir knew that Aragorn was Isildur's Heir by his name? Or have I missed something in the EE before denethor sent him off? (haven't been able to view the EE bits at the mo)

The look on gandalf's face is priceless when Frodo accepts the Quest. I see it as a kind of relief that frodo has taken up the quest rather than anyone else...... I wonder how other people read his emotions.......

Jackson cleverly knicks a line from Bag End for Gandalf and a line from the prancing pony for Aragorn when they pledge their help to Frodo.

I have no problem with the fellowship being formed straight away and not staying the month or so they stayed behind. It's a movie and we have to keep things moving I suppose.

Bilbo's Gifts scene was superbly done. Oh hang on, it's because it's pretty exactly the same as the book!!!!! Now there's a clue on how to make the perfect LOTR film!

Tuor of Gondolin · 12-21-2005, 12:17 PM

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Bilbo's Gifts scene was superbly done. Oh hang on, it's because it's pretty exactly the same as the book!!!!! Now there's a clue on how to make the perfect LOTR film!

Curiously, in the past some have expressed dislike for
this scene. I really liked it, including Bilbo going
hyper. It's an example of PJ using (filmography?)
to recreate the book scene, and unlike a certain
over-the-top scene later featuring Galadriel.

alatar · 12-22-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Essex

I understand this, but why only Elrond? I haven't seen another character mentioned in this way before (until you mentioned Viggo conversly.....)

I guess the reason that I hear Agent Elrond is that much is made of Hugo Weaving's voice in both films. It's distinctive. Viggo speaks less, and so is more visual and I now see him, like others, in older films like G.I. Jane.

Macalaure · 07-31-2006, 03:28 AM

Just a little thing that caught my eye having watched FotR for the umpteenth time:

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Next Aragorn cleans moss and leaves from his mother’s gravestone, she who gave Middle Earth hope. An oddly familiar stature, and I wonder what others see here.

Why does Aragorn have to clean his mother's gravestone? Is there no elf in the whole of Rivendell to do it while Aragorn is away most of the year? Or were all Dunedain since Aranarth buried in Rivendell and so, even while spending all their time on cleaning graves, the elves simply couldn't keep up with this task?

It's a very nice scene, I know, but again it's one that makes little sense once you think about it.

(or maybe I just overrate the elves' cleanliness. They desperately lack brooms in Lorien)

12-20-2005, 11:17 AM	#1
Elladan and Elrohir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 332	Yeah, you know, alatar, when I look back on it, I do sympathize with Boromir. Especially because the scene in TTT EE gives the distinct impression that he doesn't want the Ring, that his father's forcing him to go. I guess "secret agent" isn't the best phrase for it. You can't look into his face at the Council and say, "Yep, this guy's just trying to get the Ring so he can take it back to Daddy." I'm not sure about him being more heroic than Aragorn at this point, though. I mean, it's not like Aragorn's some naive little boy who doesn't know what it's going to take to get to Mount Doom. The dude was walking in the shadows of Ephel Duath before Boromir was born. In fact, I would almost say that movie 'Gorn is nobler than book 'Gorn in this scene, because book 'Gorn is on his way to Minas Tirith, while as far as movie 'Gorn knows, he's going to Mount Doom. __________________ "If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." THE HOBBIT - IT'S COMING

12-20-2005, 06:36 PM	#2
Lathriel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME) Posts: 612	My opinion of Boromir never dampened after TTT EE because you could clearly see his reluctance in going to Rivendell. I actually began liking Boromir more as a character in the movie then I had when I read the book. In his speech about Gondor you can see he really cares about his country. I actually haven't seen the whole first matrix movie but it was enough to see Elrond as "Agent Elrond" __________________ Back again

12-21-2005, 08:08 AM	#4
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Conversely Essex, I see Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn in any other movie I see him in. What happens is you see somebody play a role and for whatever reason they get stuck in you head as that character and not an actor. That is what has happened here, I believe. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

12-21-2005, 03:29 AM	#3
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	I'm not sure why everyone keeps mentioning Elrond as the guy from the Matrix. Yes, I've seen the movies, but that's what happens to movie stars. they make other films! I don't see Christopher Lee as Dracula, Ian McKellen as Richard III, Elijah Woods as the kid from Impact, Sean Bean as Sharpe, nor Ian Holm as Frodo!!!