The two types of LotR fans - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

ohtatyaro · 12-02-2005, 07:04 AM

Can not separate, somehow. Alltogether - characters, language, story, world, (alphabetical order, see?)

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 12-02-2005, 07:44 AM

Don't think I'm not onto your game, Bêthberry and Rimbaud. Those are fine verses for a family-friendly barrow.

Now let us read them while we may,
And now, like literate birds of prey,
Swiftly at first these tales devour
Then languish in their slow-chapt power.

Although each story has its own appeal for me, I follow Tolkien in seeing the whole history of Middle-earth, even extending to its author's life, as a single narrative and part of a greater whole. It was the stories that first attracted me, and for me each separate piece, from The Hobbit to the unpublished fragments, has its own unique appeal as a complete story, an episode, a variation or an illustration. Then again, without the world and its details, the stories would have no foundation, and as for the history and details themselves, well, therein lies a tale. Perhaps the most compelling aspect of Tolkien for me is best illustrated by the fact that the alphabet and language of the Noldor is bound up with the sad tale of Fëanor, which is then preserved and retold in the same language. That's the sort of detail that most of us only dream of creating: to know the whole story you have to know the world and vice-versa. I agree with ohtatyaro: the various elements are inseparable.

12-04-2005, 08:32 AM

i am a fan of lotr. my favorite caracter is bilbo and then sammy and i also like pippin a lot but i don't know his real name so i think i shall ask someone.

bye

Lush · 12-04-2005, 05:47 PM

There are three types of fans! Those who can count, and those who can't!

Hardy har har.

I think the line between the 'world' and the 'story' can easily be blurred. They don't exist as two separate entities in my mind. Although it does happen that a thought along the lines of, "boy, it sure would be nice to live in Rivendell, as long as I'm not an Arwen," does pop into my head. I suppose based on that I can say that I somehow am drawn to the 'world' more. (?)

Frodo Baggins · 12-04-2005, 05:54 PM

I'm a both fan myself Lush. I love the stories and the World of Middle-Earth as well, and usually at the same time. Though I do sometimes wish elves and hobbits were in this world. *sigh*

Thinlómien · 12-09-2005, 07:07 AM

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Though I do sometimes wish elves and hobbits were in this world. *sigh*

I sometimes find myself thinking "What if I popped into Rivendell; what would happen to me? Would I be killed as an orc or as a spy? Or would they let me stay there? Or how much I could explain to them with my few words quenya vocabulary?" After thinking about that for a while, I usually realize that it can never happen... *sigh*

ohtatyaro · 12-09-2005, 07:21 AM

I would like to land in Rivendell (I hope be spared I hope), learn proper elvish in time and then teach them concept of a piano

It seems all other kind of musical insturments are know there already. Imagine what elven made piano would sound like?

12-02-2005, 07:04 AM	#1
ohtatyaro Wight Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: here, there, everywhere... Posts: 121	all of that together Can not separate, somehow. Alltogether - characters, language, story, world, (alphabetical order, see?) __________________ Reading this sig costs three Galleons, nine Sickles, and a Knut. Pay up!

12-02-2005, 07:44 AM	#2
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	All tales are one Don't think I'm not onto your game, Bêthberry and Rimbaud. Those are fine verses for a family-friendly barrow. Now let us read them while we may, And now, like literate birds of prey, Swiftly at first these tales devour Then languish in their slow-chapt power. Although each story has its own appeal for me, I follow Tolkien in seeing the whole history of Middle-earth, even extending to its author's life, as a single narrative and part of a greater whole. It was the stories that first attracted me, and for me each separate piece, from The Hobbit to the unpublished fragments, has its own unique appeal as a complete story, an episode, a variation or an illustration. Then again, without the world and its details, the stories would have no foundation, and as for the history and details themselves, well, therein lies a tale. Perhaps the most compelling aspect of Tolkien for me is best illustrated by the fact that the alphabet and language of the Noldor is bound up with the sad tale of Fëanor, which is then preserved and retold in the same language. That's the sort of detail that most of us only dream of creating: to know the whole story you have to know the world and vice-versa. I agree with ohtatyaro: the various elements are inseparable. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

12-04-2005, 05:47 PM	#4
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	There are three types of fans! Those who can count, and those who can't! Hardy har har. I think the line between the 'world' and the 'story' can easily be blurred. They don't exist as two separate entities in my mind. Although it does happen that a thought along the lines of, "boy, it sure would be nice to live in Rivendell, as long as I'm not an Arwen," does pop into my head. I suppose based on that I can say that I somehow am drawn to the 'world' more. (?) __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

12-04-2005, 05:54 PM	#5
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	I'm a both fan myself Lush. I love the stories and the World of Middle-Earth as well, and usually at the same time. Though I do sometimes wish elves and hobbits were in this world. sigh __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

12-09-2005, 07:21 AM	#7
ohtatyaro Wight Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: here, there, everywhere... Posts: 121	I would like to land in Rivendell (I hope be spared I hope), learn proper elvish in time and then teach them concept of a piano It seems all other kind of musical insturments are know there already. Imagine what elven made piano would sound like? __________________ Reading this sig costs three Galleons, nine Sickles, and a Knut. Pay up!

12-04-2005, 08:32 AM	#3
fairychick101 Guest Posts: n/a	i am a fan of lotr. my favorite caracter is bilbo and then sammy and i also like pippin a lot but i don't know his real name so i think i shall ask someone. bye